Autopsy Round 3, 2018: St.Kilda v Adelaide

[PaddysurDaddy]

Fcuk mate don’t read my latest post

hahaha

 

[joop]

Blinkers would suggest that if you got the ball 50 times in 2 weeks you would be able to create attacks from the back half .... Webster seems to have missed what the point of being a rebounding defender is...

And yes Einstein Paddy should be able to take pack marks. Let me boot the ball in the air and have 2-3 people crash into and see how many you pluck or kick it 5 meters away from you and hope you go fetch...

Your comments are lacking simple understanding and that's ok. Just try learn along the way sunshine.

Didnt know plugger was drafted at Number 1 and was a paid full time AFL player?

i think we persist with Paddy, but 1 goal in 3 games isnt very good for a forward.

 

[plugger66]

What does he have to do with this? I think your a little jealous ghost gets more love then you and knows more about what's going on then you too .

Your bagging a forward who is dependent on his teammates giving him half a chance to beat his man. Why not put the blame on those who aren't executing simple passes to him. Then judge the pig.

That would show more football nous then having a crack at Paddy

I’m actually not bagging him at all. I said his role is to kick goals because he isn’t a pressure forward. That’s fact and it’s also fact he hadn’t kicked goals. Webster was pretty yesterday.

And yes the forward entries aren’t good but a good forward finds a way.

As for other guy well that is funny. Good to see you have a sense of humour


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[aussierulesrules]

I’d say 5 tackles i50 for a match is far more disappointing.

Yeah a lot of the stats for the game were very even (we were well up in some key ones at half time, but they'd evened out by the end), but the inside 50 tackle count of 5 to 14 for them was very disappointing, especially when you consider the fact we went shorter up forward and brought in Nathan Wright, which meant that we had up forward for big chunks of the game Wright, Long, Acres, Gresh and Billings, who ought to be able to have more than 5 bloody tackles inside 50 between them (before you get to anyone else laying some up there).

They on the other hand were much taller up front, with Tex, Jenkins, Lynch and McGovern, yet had almost 3 times as many inside 50 tackles. How the hell does that happen? Very disappointing.

 

[sunny3193]

Acres and sinclair were very good until the genius coach moved them both to deep in forward line for the second half.


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Yes, but there was a reason for that.

 

[stavro#4]

Didnt know plugger was drafted at Number 1 and was a paid full time AFL player?

i think we persist with Paddy, but 1 goal in 3 games isnt very good for a forward.

So why is he having a crack at a bloke if he has never had a gang of AFL defenders work on shutting you down?

Two can argue your comment. The point is that the issue with us is up the field and not on forwards who we can't even give them an advantage when passing them the ball

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

No no no no no do not bring in Hickey.

**** me dead calling for paddy to be dropped after 3 poor games with shit house delivery but persist with Bruce who has had 3 years of being hopeless? Because he can also go into the ruck and be hopeless there too?

Talk about encouraging mediocrity.
Out with the old in with the new. Time for change.

 

[boydie]

Having watched Sandringham yesterday (a half and a bit) and the game last night, I’m leaning this way:

Ins:
Hickey (his best game for over a year)
Steele (played inside mid all day and got 40 possessions)
Battle (great game yesterday, will clearly play AFL this year)

Outs:
Armitage (needs to get some match fitness again and his leadership is not enough to keep him safe)
Bruce (needs to rediscover his marking skills and confidence, no problem with his efforts)
Wright (understand why he was selected but nit really first 22)

***
Marshall to play CHF/FF with Paddy.
Hickey is the ruck, Marshall as his relief.
Battle to fill the Membrey role (assuming he is still injured)

Marshall/Paddy/Battle will still get crucified if we cannot fix the forward delivery but at least it changes up the team.

No other changes, three is enough for this week.
Everyone else on notice though.
Future changes entirely possible but really dependant on performance at Sandringham now.

Think these changes are the best I have seen, battle might not get a go if membrey is fit again, or do they give membrey a week in the 2s?

We need to persist with Paddy, White, Long, Roma as the youth are our only chance to get better I think

 

[plugger66]

So why is he having a crack at a bloke if he has never had a gang of AFL defenders work on shutting you down?

Two can argue your comment. The point is that the issue with us is up the field and not on forwards who we can't even give them an advantage when passing them the ball

How am I having a crack at him? Having a crack would be saying lies. I just stated facts. If you think I’m having a crack then there would be a hundred posts worse than that on just about every player including paddy.


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[Groater]

Websters disposal and decision making are ordinary. Was better yesterday, but still not great.

 

[Greg1853]

Haven't seen much of him at VFL level but seen a lot of him during his draft year (where he was just about the best key forward on offer). Only hearing about some good performances; with 3 goals this week and last for Sandy.

Similar to Riewoldt in his ability to cover the ground and great endurance, which was one of his greatest assets going into the draft, but also similar to Gunston from Hawthorn in being a beautiful set shot kick at goal, something we need desperately right now.

I have huge confidence in the kid and just think that now he's a full-time AFL footballer, he needs a good chance to show his worth. Similar to Marshall in having a one-off debut last year and reckon he could also similarly come in and immediately improve the side.

Very good. With us not being the ideal forward line to play in for anyone at present, to blood a new guy into it, I at least feel like if the guy is given a license to run up and down the round all day, even without dominating with contested marks, you would think he would have half a chance to get a few kicks and develop. Just has to contribute, and if he can help be a conduit from half back to the goals, then great.

 

[sunny3193]

Want HG to get some continuity, otherwise he’d be in and presently I’d be axing Roberton for Austin,

Unfortunately Austin showed nothing at Sandringham yesterday to justify that, but I know exactly where you’re coming from.
Hugh is still a fair way off too.

 

[Ads734]

He was directly asked if it was disappointing that less than 20,000 showed up. What was he supposed to say? No? He even said it was because of our poor performance. He didn't just say it out of the blue.

Actually from watching I don’t think he did take much responsibility tbh.

I would have said” well look it’s our responsibility to play competitive exciting winning football and at the moment we’re not. We need the support of our supporters but also need to be attractive to get them as well.”

I just think he refuses to take responsability

 

[D2D3]

Websters disposal and decision making are ordinary. Was better yesterday, but still not great.

Ironically I swear that was Webster's strength when he first started....

 

[Greg1853]

I’m not as pessimistic as most on last nights showing.
Thought our intensity in the first half was great, yep we still need a little more composure, but overall I felt we matched it against a very experienced and rated team.
Adelaide have probably IMO one of the best defenses in the AFL. It was always going to be hard work but losing members just prior was a real blow.
Marshall was great and should stay in the job despite not having the tank yet. Noticed we used Blake in the ruck at times around the ground we’ll need to keep doing this.
Armo was always going to be rusty after so long out so rather than torch his career perhaps just send him back to sandy till he builds up match fitness.
Coffield did exactly what we already knew he was capable of - keeper
I’d consider Phillips for Newnes next week. Blooding the young players and dropping under performers is working regardless of whether they can hold that form.
And finally Paddy did OK considering the opposition, the imbalance came from not having members and Bruce doing some ruck work. I’d look at Battle.
So for next week
Outs: Armo, Wright and Newnes
Ins: Steele, Phillips and Battle

I do understand our coaches hesitance to drop Armo as we have few on field leaders.

My faith in bigfooty is slowly being restored now that we are getting some posts I can relate strongly to, which is in contrast to most of what I saw last night. Can relate to everything you said

 

[PaddysurDaddy]

bruce might be a MArginally better option than paddy right now. Maybe one goal better. So yeah, let's play him and completely ignore the fact that players need to develop. ridiculous. if a KPF has to go out, it's bruce. We know what we'll get from bruce, we can always recall him

 

[plugger66]

bruce might be a MArginally better option than paddy right now. Maybe one goal better. So yeah, let's play him and completely ignore the fact that players need to develop. ridiculous. if a KPF has to go out, it's bruce. We know what we'll get from bruce, we can always recall him

Has many wanted paddy dropped? I haven’t read that. I didn’t want Bruce in the side in round one but probably luckily he played.


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[Kilroy]

Unfortunately Austin showed nothing at Sandringham yesterday to justify that, but I know exactly where you’re coming from.
Hugh is still a fair way off too.

Only seen Austin in one practice match so far (and I'm his advocate so I watched him closely) but I didn't see any pace, in fact he looked sluggish, but I think he's more agile than Goddard. Goddard better in the air.

 

[Gherkin]

Websters disposal and decision making are ordinary. Was better yesterday, but still not great.

He’s still not afl standard and needs to be dropped ASAP give rice a crack at his role

 

[TheJackal]

Webster has been one of our best defenders all year. I don't get the hate, seems he is a very easy target.

Paddy and Bruce did have some average delivery but I'm not sure we can say the ball is always kicked over their heads when they drop so many damn chestmarks. I'm watching Castagna win a contest one on four including spoiling Roughed, yet Paddy has been allowing others to outmark/outmuscle him all year.

I got howled down last year when I suggested that Bruce isn't up to it, this year is proving me right. Paddy is not yet even close to ready, I get embarrassed watching him and even more embarrassed watching others talk him up as the second coming of Dunstall. He may yet be but he is nowhere near up to it yet.

I haven't been posting as much because I wanted to take myself away from the weird mix of propaganda and negativity of this board, but I cannot see any hope on the horizon based on the current coaching, structures and persistence of some players on our list.

 

[Gherkin]

Webster has been one of our best defenders all year. I don't get the hate, seems he is a very easy target.

Paddy and Bruce did have some average delivery but I'm not sure we can say the ball is always kicked over their heads when they drop so many damn chestmarks. I'm watching Castagna win a contest one on four including spoiling Roughed, yet Paddy has been allowing others to outmark/outmuscle him all year.

I got howled down last year when I suggested that Bruce isn't up to it, this year is proving me right. Paddy is not yet even close to ready, I get embarrassed watching him and even more embarrassed watching others talk him up as the second coming of Dunstall. He may yet be but he is nowhere near up to it yet.

I haven't been posting as much because I wanted to take myself away from the weird mix of propaganda and negativity of this board, but I cannot see any hope on the horizon based on the current coaching, structures and persistence of some players on our list.

Webster cops shit because he is a dreadful decision maker and a ordinary user of the ball

 

[sunny3193]

That's a fair call.

Yes he seems to have been around forever, but it's not as if he has bit 50 games in a row. His development has been cruelled by injury.

If someone like Battle gives us a better option, I won't have a problem with developing at Sandy for the season. Said this last year also.

Playing at VFL level where he gets better service might just be the tonic whereby he can learn his craft under match conditions but without the pressure.

People expecting him to explode I his first few real games are delusional IMO.

The only problem with the develop at Sandringham theory is that the service for forwards there is even worse than at St Kilda.
Mostly kick and hope.
(Actually, more kick and hope).
I’m not sure that will help him learn his craft.
Sandringham would be more useful if he is playing without confidence, conditioning or effort.
I’ve seen that from him this year, but I’ve also seen improvements over the three weeks.
Disclaimer: I’m very much in the play him at AFL level irrespective faction. We need to see his upside in AFL match conditions. If he proves to be wanting, so be it. Playing Paddy is not going to make any difference for finals this year anyway. But may make a difference for the future. Besides I watched T Boyd in the twos yesterday. He didn’t show anything that would warrant a recall to the Bulldogs and I doubt they’d disagree.

 

[gringo2011]

I had everything crossed that Paddy would nail it.

He needs games. So strap him in and feed him games and let him develop.

Then Bruce needs to go out and we have him exposed. We are in a catch 22.

 

[lewdogs]

He’s still not afl standard and needs to be dropped ASAP give rice a crack at his role

Webster has been one of our best players this year so far. Your post is laughable to be honest and suggests you haven't got a clue. Sorry to sound harsh but you're obviously focusing on him and have made your mind up but you should really just save your breath because there is no way they are dropping Webster right now and to be honest I'm glad of it.

 

[sunny3193]

Sunny, you’re the resident numbers man. What understanding do you have of the impact of only 19000 turning up for a home game?
One would assume this’ll be the norm moving forward, how severe an impact will this have on our bottom line?

Cheers mate

Only those close to the club could tell you that with any certainty.
But obviously: higher attendance would be better than not.
Ultimately it will depend on the total revenue mix, and how “rich” are each of the line items.
In other words: NFI.