Round 3:- Changes against Essendon? Merged threads.

[Stig O'Hara]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Would like either of Stevens and Grigg to come in,
obviously Jamison is injured,
but reckon we are flexible enough now that Kruezer, who is a freak,
is playing a Waite like role all over the ground.

They don't mind having Jacobs and Kruezer on the field at the same time,
with Jacobs dropping back, and getting in the oppositions way.

If Garlett misses out, would swap him with Yarran,
i just like the indigenous dynamic out there.

 

[thylacine60]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

2 changes only:

Out Jammo In Carlos
My underpants (April already)

 

[goreds]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Bower is not performing at the moment and I think Grigg may come in for him.

We don't want passengers.

 

[I LOVE THE CFC]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Bower is not performing at the moment and I think Grigg may come in for him.

We don't want passengers.

Crazy call....We are gonna lose a backman and you wanna take another one out as well.....

Who else is in your silly gun?

 

[bomberstomake8]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Out: Jamison, Russell
In: Stevens, Grigg

Waite to play on Lloyd up the ground. Thornton on Lucas. Bower on Neagle. No need to bring in another tall defender.

it seems to be a common theme on this thread that you guys need an extra midfeilder then a tall defender i cant see why

we have lloyd lucas mcphee and possibly daniher who will play permanent forward roles and we pretty much always have our resting ruckmen in the forward line which will mean one of ryder or hille in the forward line for 90% of the match.

so just out of curiosity what are the match ups for

lloyd
lucas
mcphee
(those 3 will definately be forward for the whole match imo)

daniher (you guys go a small forward line and daniher played well yesterday so i dont think knights will want to drop him, so its possible daniher will go forward(

ryder/hille

you have waite, thorton and bower as tall defenders. personally with jamison out i would be bringing in the next tall defender on your list



as for our defensive match ups

pears v fevola (worried about this however i was worried with pears vs pav and pears kept him very quiet)
fletcher v cloke
myers/dempsey v robinson
betts v slattery
garlett/yarran- myers/dempsey/quinn

 

[thylacine60]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

 

[goreds]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Crazy call....We are gonna lose a backman and you wanna take another one out as well.....

Who else is in your silly gun?

A backman??

A rebound player at best.

Did you not watch the game?

Simple question, Grigg or Bower??

 

[Bluebear]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

2 changes only:

Out Jammo In Carlos
My underpants (April already)

Taken the membership slogan literally Thy?


Agree that O'hAilpin should come in for Jammo.
Stevens in for Garlett with Houlihan to go forward, or possibly for Scotland, who looked a little off the pace and could maybe do with a gallop in the magoos to get some run in his legs.

Grigg won't come in, but if he does:

Out: Garlett, Scotland, Jamison
In: Grigg, Stevens, O'hAilpin

The MC will need to decide whether to go tall or small down back.

If we go small (i.e. bring in Grigg, Armfield/Browne) then the Dons can push McPhee, Ryder or Hille forward and with our talls being pulled out by Lloyd and Lucas we could be in trouble.

Waite will follow whichever of Lloyd or Lucas goes upfield, That leaves Thornton on the other one and Bower to take one of the three above. We are one tall short in that case.

If we go tall and bring in Aussie or Setanta then the Dons can start with Monfries, Winderlich or Stanton forward with Davey or Lovett, and we are a quick small defender short.

My hope of course, and what I think will happen is that we will smah them at the clearances and it won't matter. Hille won't get the free run he had in both games last year, and by all accounts isn't dominating ATM like he was last year.

 

[bomberstomake8]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Taken the membership slogan literally Thy?


Agree that O'hAilpin should come in for Jammo.
Stevens in for Garlett with Houlihan to go forward, or possibly for Scotland, who looked a little off the pace and could maybe do with a gallop in the magoos to get some run in his legs.

Grigg won't come in, but if he does:

Out: Garlett, Scotland, Jamison
In: Grigg, Stevens, O'hAilpin

The MC will need to decide whether to go tall or small down back.

If we go small (i.e. bring in Grigg, Armfield/Browne) then the Dons can push McPhee, Ryder or Hille forward and with our talls being pulled out by Lloyd and Lucas we could be in trouble.

Waite will follow whichever of Lloyd or Lucas goes upfield, That leaves Thornton on the other one and Bower to take one of the three above. We are one tall short in that case.

If we go tall and bring in Aussie or Setanta then the Dons can start with Monfries, Winderlich or Stanton forward with Davey or Lovett, and we are a quick small defender short.

My hope of course, and what I think will happen is that we will smah them at the clearances and it won't matter. Hille won't get the free run he had in both games last year, and by all accounts isn't dominating ATM like he was last year.

yeah he hasnt been dominating but has still been pretty good. he has been pretty much doing it alone in the ruck with ryder helping out a bit and he came up against brogan and lade round 1 then sandliands round 2. no offence to your ruck division but i dont see them as being around the quality of sandilands or brogan and lade. i personally think that hille is going to be hugely important this week. when he goes forward i cant really see anyone in your side having the height and strength to be able to contain him, same goes for in the ruck. if there was one advantage our side has over yours its the big hille

 

[I LOVE THE CFC]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

 

[I LOVE THE CFC]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

A backman??

A rebound player at best.

Did you not watch the game?

Simple question, Grigg or Bower??

Simple answer...Both

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

In: Grigg, Stevens, Setanta
Out: Jamo, Garlett, Scotland

Bower on Ryder
Waite to expose Lucas
O'Hailpin on Lloyd
Joseph on Lovett
Thornton on interceptions
Stevo to take over Scotland's mopping up role.

And if Monfries - a player with absolutely NO outstanding attributes - cuts us to ribbons again I'll build a bridge and jump off it.

 

[as0l0]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

i don't reckon Essendon will be touching the ball much, so there won't be a lot of opportunities for their forwards.

 

[Jezza U Beauty]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Stevens comes straight back in. I know that upsets some of you but you're going to have to deal with it.

I doubt that it will be at Garlett's expense though - because those two are not competing for the same role in the side. I'd imagine it's out of JR, Johnson or Scotland.

The replacement for Jammo will be interesting, and will be determined by match-ups. You'd think Setanta would be first in line if the MC feel they need another KP defender, but I also think Banno's a good option as has been mentioned above if the MC feel we have adequate height in our back half.

 

[Bluebear]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

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yeah he hasnt been dominating but has still been pretty good. he has been pretty much doing it alone in the ruck with ryder helping out a bit and he came up against brogan and lade round 1 then sandliands round 2. no offence to your ruck division but i dont see them as being around the quality of sandilands or brogan and lade.

Last year Hille rucked against Cloke and Kreuzer. Both of whom he was able to outbody and outreach, and was the difference in both games last year. Without his dominance we win both those games IMO.

This year he will face Jacobs. Jacobs is a big unit. Hille won't be able to push him aside and get the free run he got last year.
Kreuzer is much improved. Seems to have put on some muscle and his leap is very good.

Not saying we will win the ruck, but I think it will be very even, and if we split the ruck I think we will win.

i personally think that hille is going to be hugely important this week. when he goes forward i cant really see anyone in your side having the height and strength to be able to contain him, same goes for in the ruck. if there was one advantage our side has over yours its the big hille

Quite right. If he goes forward it will cause us some headaches. That's why I think we will pick Setanta over Grigg this week. Thornton and Bower can both play tall or small if you push smalls up there, but Grigg can't play to tall.

Your forward structure, or lack thereof will give our MC some headaches, but we will just back Judd, Murphy, Gibbs and Stevens to win the centre and win the day.

Judd will be very different to how the Bombers saw him last year........once, very underdone and the other concussed early. Be afraid.

 

[40yearBLUE]

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yeah he hasnt been dominating but has still been pretty good. he has been pretty much doing it alone in the ruck with ryder helping out a bit and he came up against brogan and lade round 1 then sandliands round 2. no offence to your ruck division but i dont see them as being around the quality of sandilands or brogan and lade. i personally think that hille is going to be hugely important this week. when he goes forward i cant really see anyone in your side having the height and strength to be able to contain him, same goes for in the ruck. if there was one advantage our side has over yours its the big hille

Well I suppose you got to give the guy points for courage, although he loses them all again on blind footy smarts. Sandilands had 36 hitouts, Hille had 11 and your entire team only had 18. Sandi had double your entire total. Lets face it you were smashed in the ruck.

But the ruck is not where we are going to smash you. Our mids and all over ground pressure is what is going to win this game for us, although I dont doubt our rucks will aquit themselves well and more than hold their own against Hille and Ryder. We have beaten 2 sides rated much better than Essendon so far this year. Could we still lose it? Of course, if we dont come to play. But I dont think that is going to happen, do you?

Lets get real now. We are heading to the top 4, Essendon are heading toward the bottom 4. So off you go now, and tell your friends not to bother baiting us either.

 

[thylacine60]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Well I suppose you got to give the guy points for courage, although he loses them all again on blind footy smarts. Sandilands had 36 hitouts, Hille had 11 and your entire team only had 18. Sandi had double your entire total. Lets face it you were smashed in the ruck.

But the ruck is not where we are going to smash you. Our mids and all over ground pressure is what is going to win this game for us, although I dont doubt our rucks will aquit themselves well and more than hold their own against Hille and Ryder. We have beaten 2 sides rated much better than Essendon so far this year. Could we still lose it? Of course, if we dont come to play. But I dont think that is going to happen, do you?

Lets get real now. We are heading to the top 4, Essendon are heading toward the bottom 4. So off you go now, and tell your friends not to bother baiting us either.

Ooh, I just went all funny! 30Man off the chain! Quality work, son.

 

[BlueYoss]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

In defense of Jeff Garlett, he's a young first year player who is just finding is feet. He has been promoted from the LTI for 8 weeks. By my count, he has 6 weeks left. Advocates of dropping him must not appreciate why he was selected in the first place. Youth and depth are our future. He may not quite have set the world on fire just yet but let me assure you he is an important part of our revamped forward structure. Playing him takes the pressure off Betts and Cloke, which in turn take the pressure off Fev. Again, he has 6 more weeks to cement his place in the team - Yarran, on the primary list, has Rounds 9-22. Chopping and changing just because Yarran was pick 6 in the national draft is folly - swapping one inexperienced player for another hinders both their developments. Chris will inevitably get his chance soon enough due to injuries. Year one of a 10-15 year investment...

Very well put.

Although it seems as though the masses on here have already decided that Garlett's small frame needs a rest after 2 senior games. That he has already played 2 seasons against men in the WAFL and managed 20 games for Swan Districts last year is entirely irrelevant

 

[Alpha1]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

News over the grapevine is that Yarran is very close to selection. Staff and players are very impressed with his work on the track. And they want to give him a run in the seniors as soon as possible, I think Garlett will be swapped for Yarran. JG has done nothing wrong but he probably needs a run in the reserves just to keep him fresh.

 

[as0l0]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

JG has done nothing wrong but he probably needs a run in the reserves just to keep him fresh.

that's a pretty bad message to send.

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

I read that Yarran trained well and kicked another two goals in the VFL, so I'd love us to bring spring a surprise and bring him in for Garlett.

We were one class HFF short on the weekend with Houlihan the only one firing and hitting the target.

Grigg and have O'hAilpin have to be promoted.

It will be an interesting match committee with Jamison the only out.

Johnson had an OK game, but there might not be the right match up for Johnson in the Bombers' best 22.

I'd rather see Bower play on McPhee than Johnno who was beaten in the air by Morton.

 

[Alpha1]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

that's a pretty bad message to send.

Yes I agree it's not a very good message to send a kid, but who else do you drop? I don't agree with the fact that Stevens can just walk into the team either.

 

[Cruiser23]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Very well put.

Although it seems as though the masses on here have already decided that Garlett's small frame needs a rest after 2 senior games. That he has already played 2 seasons against men in the WAFL and managed 20 games for Swan Districts last year is entirely irrelevant

It seems we are very much part of the minority Yossy.

Jeff, as been said and seen, adds that pressure inside 50 that we so desperately needed in the past. Remember the times when the ball continually left our attacking 50 with ease? This put so much strain on our defense that it couldn't hold up and we leaked goals. I can recall 3-4 times, in the first half last week where Garlett, alone, contributed to a scoring opportunities due to this. Yes, he can be erratic with his disposal and there where two disposals that resulted in turnovers but the pressure he provides, the pressure he has taken off Fev and Betts in particular, as Azul said is something that out ways those mistakes IMO.

I'm also not sure why you would bring in 2 midfielders/half back flankers in for a small forward? I think that will disturb the structure of our team that has been working very well. There is no doubt Stevens and Grigg add plenty but for me the fringe player of the engine room or players across half back need to be sacrificed not someone who plays a totally different position. You don't play 22 midfielders just because they are the better players, there needs to be a structure and balance in the team.

From what has been said during the pre-season the staff are very excited and pleased at what Garlett brings to the table. He runs a 15+ beep, super quick and shows flashes of brilliance at times which has been lacking in past teams. I also remember Ratten coming out and saying he was excited at the prospect of playing Yarran, Betts and Garlett in the same team. Right now i think 2 need to play each week, i think it gives balance and structure to our team that has been totally missing in the past.

Don't ask me who should be dropped but for me Garlett needs to continue to play, i think he is much more important than most seem to think he is.

 

[Alpha1]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Lets hope that we can apply the pressure for four quarters. Was a bit disappointed in the boys on Saturday they seemed to go to sleep in the second half.

 

[Dikfeld]

Re: Round 3:- Changes against Essendon?

Well I know Armfield played a good one for the bullants on the weekend so he will have to be put into consideration by the MC to come in to play on like likes of lovett or davies. I guess time will tell