Autopsy Round 5, 2022: Hawks skin the Cats

[Brishawk]

Brilliant!

 

[LeBuddyRoughShow]

What a joke indeed. If that isn't staging then the game is in big trouble.

The porky pie was doing cartwheels after the lighest of touches.


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How can they spin that, should have been guilty and case closed. Maybe he thought Kyle Hartigan was behind him and about to punch him in the back of the head again. I congratulated Hartigan on that when I saw him at the family day a week later. He laughed but wasn't thrilled with the $2,000 fine. And how did Cotchin get off for the studs up on Tex Walker?? Dirty act from a known dirty player

 

[Rich the babe Evans]

Wrongweight?

The drawbridge seems to be too far

 

[moginie]

Reminiscent of the great work that oogac did.

 

[The Seaword]

fu** GEELONG. HAHAHA.

Yes! With a pineapple!

 

[grumbleguts]

How can they spin that, should have been guilty and case closed. Maybe he thought Kyle Hartigan was behind him and about to punch him in the back of the head again. I congratulated Hartigan on that when I saw him at the family day a week later. He laughed but wasn't thrilled with the $2,000 fine. And how did Cotchin get off for the studs up on Tex Walker?? Dirty act from a known dirty player

If it's on Tex Walker he should be paid more.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The AFL can’t fine Hawkins, because then they’d have to admit that the so called “dissent” from Tom and Jack was in fact justified for an incorrect free kick.

 

[Paul Kersey]

The AFL can’t fine Hawkins, because then they’d have to admit that the so called “dissent” from Tom and Jack was in fact justified for an incorrect free kick.

Like dealing with the Russian government. Just piss in our pocket and expect us to think it is raining. Even worse when you consider McKay got done last week. It is this sort of attitude by the AFL which really annoys fair minded fans.

 

[Howe Amazing]

Loved Ward’s sidestep and kick towards wing in first quarter and MacDonald lace out pass for first goal. Older guys like Jaeger, Titch, Gunston and Breust so important in fast tracking younger guys. Like Jaeger forward too

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

The AFL can’t fine Hawkins, because then they’d have to admit that the so called “dissent” from Tom and Jack was in fact justified for an incorrect free kick.

As I posted on the main board, I can take an umpiring mistake, just as I can take player mistakes, that's life in a sport contested by humans. However, Hawkins' stage was so obvious, how could three umpires not see it? How could all three umpires lack the perception as to not see it?

 

[toomanysquibs]

Cats think they're still in dynasty

To be fair they have produced a decade’s worth of teams tailor-made to lose in big finals.

So mission accomplished for Brad Scott I guess

 

[CobberRodgers]

Yet here we are, they are going slightly better than rebuilding hawks

Going to have to disagree there.

List is cooked and they have a long period of pain ahead of them. They may finish above us this season, which should be expected considering their list profile and top end, but they are miles off it and they know it.

We are at least 3 years ahead of them in young talent development. I know who I’d rather be.

 

[Hawkboy62]

Now that the Scott brothers have doubled down on the rules being clear and hunky dory I want to know why Sicily didn't get a second 50m penalty when Hawkins approached the umpire and raised his arms in protest.

Could have iced the game earlier, been good for my SC team, probably provided another Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

meme but importantly been a consistent decion.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Now that the Scott brothers have doubled down on the rules being clear and hunky dory I want to know why Sicily didn't get a second 50m penalty when Hawkins approached the umpire and raised his arms in protest.

Could have iced the game earlier, been good for my SC team, probably provided another Chris Scott meme but importantly been a consistent decion.

The jumper is the important thing.

Even the first 50, it took Hawkins practically tackling Sicily to even get the first 50

 

[Dewnior]

What a joke.

What do you expect when the bloke in charge of the MRP is the brother of Porkin's coach

 

[Hodginator]

Now that the Scott brothers have doubled down on the rules being clear and hunky dory I want to know why Sicily didn't get a second 50m penalty when Hawkins approached the umpire and raised his arms in protest.

Could have iced the game earlier, been good for my SC team, probably provided another Chris Scott meme but importantly been a consistent decion.

Because, Hawkins.

 

[Blackhawk42]

And rather than take the players protest as “mmm maybe I got that wrong”, they belligerently double down and give a ridiculous 50. Infuriating everyone. It’s unacceptable.

This ring of steel they build around umpires will lead to corruption. It provides a safety zone for crazy decisions. Just pay the umpires really good money to be professional/full time and don’t accept mistakes so easily.

Im sorry I don’t agree about the comparison of human error in players and umpires. It serves no value to the quest for improvement.

Umpires adjudicate rules that often are open to variable interpretation & their emotions . Rules need to be clearly understood and decisions need to be practiced, so umpire calls are much more consistent and reliable.

Agree umpires don’t need to be abused but emotional protesting by the fans gives colour to the game.

Umpires need to be more resilient to it and harden up, otherwise perhaps its not your best profession.

Dirty jobs only get staff shortages when the pay isn’t worth it.

The AFL job is to make the rules clear and intelligent. Thats not the case now in many aspects. Deliberate OOB, blocks etc the list goes on.

Umpires are inconsistent and get too emotional. Take that out.

Pay umpires top money and strive for perfection and if they sook because someone yelled at them, or they cant bounce the footy high/straight enough, provide them with career guidance into another vocation.

Money and time fixes problems. Pay the money AFL.

I have a mate who is part of the umpiring fraternity (not a field umpire I must point out).

We were discussing all of this last night.

Everybody knows the golden rule is that an umpire won't change their mind on a decision. This should be exploited by them IMO. The biggest frustration is when they try and explain why a free kick was or wasn't paid when it was obviously incorrect. The amount of respect that would creep into the game for umpires from fans and players alike if, in the Tom Hawkins situation, rather than say 'umpire dissent, 50!" when Tom Mitchell points to the big screen at the obviously incorrect call is to say 'I may have gotten that wrong. We'll address it in our review. I can't change it now'.

 

[Brishawk]

As I posted on the main board, I can take an umpiring mistake, just as I can take player mistakes, that's life in a sport contested by humans. However, Hawkins' stage was so obvious, how could three umpires not see it? How could all three umpires lack the perception as to not see it?

They train the umpires to look for specific signals of wrong doing. Like ‘Arms out is a free’ and ‘a fend off is prior’. This is where their focus is. They don’t see Hawkins flying through the air after a soft contact by frost. They see a marking contest and they are looking for a sign that Hawkins was blocked at the exclusion of everything else. They aren’t looking for a flop so they don’t see it. It is called selective attention and the afl train umpires in such a way that they invoke selective attention all the time.

 

[Brishawk]

AFL’s new dissent rule is dehumanising. 70-93% of communication is non-verbal. It isn’t something you can just turn off.

 

[KermitJagger]

AFL’s new dissent rule is dehumanising. 70-93% of communication is non-verbal. It isn’t something you can just turn off.

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Indeed, I've seen a lot of this stuff. Not only is communication largely non-verbal it's also instinctual. Athletes who have been blind their entire lives have the same instinctual movements celebrating, or slumping over in defeat, as non-vision impaired athletes. Like you said, not something you can turn off.

 

[Hodgey 15]

If I recall it was to do with slow ball movement and the fact no one on the ground was taking responsibility for changing things up.

Yeah. I think your correct.
He was getting a little frustrated lol.

 

[Crankyhawk]

The jumper is the important thing.

Even the first 50, it took Hawkins practically tackling Sicily to even get the first 50

no, to be fair to the umpire there I recall seeing hawkins stroll into protected area and the umpire called the 50 about the same as I shouted it. Then I saw hawkins do the arms out and I was thinking "hello double 50" which didn't happen

 

[Hodgey 15]

Now one of the Scott brothers has infiltrated the AFL higher echelons we have no hope.

 

[CobberRodgers]

Have to take the good with the bad I suppose.

Yes one of them has completely stuffed the AFL, but, the other has absolutely rooted the Geelong FC.

1-1.

 

[grumbleguts]

The AFL can’t fine Hawkins, because then they’d have to admit that the so called “dissent” from Tom and Jack was in fact justified for an incorrect free kick.

Even the dissent was because the umpire knew in his heart that it was a dive and went looking for dissent.