Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 12 - Finals Are Scary

[longdonkey]

Time to get your feelings hurt.
It’s not happening, well at least till 2026.
And if we do happen to win the flag this year that will push the date back at least 2-3 years.
Type away but that’s the way it is.

Without letting my personal feelings get in the way here is what I would advocate if I was in a decision making capacity at Alberton.

If we win this week Hinkley sees out his contract.

If we lose, it will be about how we lose. If Hinkley brings a team where preparation is not done correctly and we get blown away early, as we have been done so many times before then he must go.

If we lose but we play like we did last week I think there is a discussion that needs to be had about whether he is the best person moving forward.

The issue here more than anything else is - Can Hinkley prepare a team to play that is capable of winning 3 finals games in a row. If the answer is No then he should be asked to clear his locker.

 

[MrMeaner]

The issue for me is, it’s not just that he survived, it’s that those who wanted him held accountable were treated like delusional idiots who don’t understand football for feeling that way.

Then when he pulls a rabbit out of a hat — ie, finishing minor premier in the asterisk forest that was COVID — they double down, dunking in our faces while simultaneously deeming Hinkley a miracle worker for ‘exceeding all expectations’.

He’s the reason the expectations were at rock bottom in the first place!

It’s like being in an abusive relationship, except your judgemental mother is siding with him because he smiles and is generally quiet and inoffensive at Christmas.

Whateley condescending to us still pisses me off.

 

[GremioPower]

The issue for me is, it’s not just that he survived, it’s that those who wanted him held accountable were treated like delusional idiots who don’t understand football for feeling that way.

As I’ve posted elsewhere, this brings us to this:

It doesn’t make any sense. I’m out of arguments. It’s bloody obvious, but people simply refuse to see it.

 

[240volt]

Without letting my personal feelings get in the way here is what I would advocate if I was in a decision making capacity at Alberton.

If we win this week Hinkley sees out his contract.

If we lose, it will be about how we lose. If Hinkley brings a team where preparation is not done correctly and we get blown away early, as we have been done so many times before then he must go.

If we lose but we play like we did last week I think there is a discussion that needs to be had about whether he is the best person moving forward.

The issue here more than anything else is - Can Hinkley prepare a team to play that is capable of winning 3 finals games in a row. If the answer is No then he should be asked to clear his locker.

You don’t have to convince me I’m with you.
Unfortunately the reality is he will be coach at least next year and if we go all the way this year the sack Hinkley thread will make the Bible look like a short story.
It is what it is.

 

[longdonkey]

You don’t have to convince me I’m with you.
Unfortunately the reality is he will be coach at least next year and if we go all the way this year the sack Hinkley thread will make the Bible look like a short story.
It is what it is.

I'm not convinced of that yet. I think a fair bit depends on Friday night. Which is soooooo wrong.

And once the season is over I think there will be a realisation that a 3 point win against Hawthorn changes nothing.

 

[ClintEastwood]

12 Years of listening to that BigFooty mob

FTFY.

 

[Chewy316]

Man I hope you're right Chewy, admittedly Koch has seemed to be more absent this year than previous.....but if all it takes is him making a couple of media appearances to upset many at the club and go against the clubs direction, is his position actually all that tenable?

The timing with this latest one is very poor.


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The timing is rat shit.

His position is tenable because off the field he's done a ton right. But if these comments lead to a downturn in on-field performance on Friday night, these comments will come under considerable scrutiny from the big wigs at the Club.

This should absolutely not be the case. Just because it "looks ok" doesn't mean that it is.

A ruthless club like the old Port Adelaide absolutely didn't think this way.

Just because you get away with it once doesn't mean it is acceptable.

If it is detrimental, it is detrimental and those types need to be weeded out ASAP.

Sometimes shit clubs had one off success and beat Port.

Port won consistently because they had ruthless accountability and standards that were enforced relentlessly. Win, lose or draw.

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I think you're getting yourself too worked up about these comments. They only mean something if the Footy Committee at the end of the season recommends Ken be sacked only for Koch to veto the decision. At that point it would be fair game to go nuclear on Koch. They also have meaning if they directly lead to a downturn in on-field performance on Friday night.

But if they win on Friday night, how exactly does David's comments yesterday hurt the Club?

Without letting my personal feelings get in the way here is what I would advocate if I was in a decision making capacity at Alberton.

If we win this week Hinkley sees out his contract.

If we lose, it will be about how we lose. If Hinkley brings a team where preparation is not done correctly and we get blown away early, as we have been done so many times before then he must go.

If we lose but we play like we did last week I think there is a discussion that needs to be had about whether he is the best person moving forward.

The issue here more than anything else is - Can Hinkley prepare a team to play that is capable of winning 3 finals games in a row. If the answer is No then he should be asked to clear his locker.

This is pretty much exactly how the Club are viewing the situation.

I'm not sure I agree with your notion that his future riding on this game is soooo wrong as you put it. In a vacuum, potentially. But at the end of the day, he needs to win the big games. Ken has always been able to get the Club into a good position going into finals, only to screw up in finals. Finals are what will make or break his future going forward. So as crazy as it might seem to be judging his future on a single game, I look at it as the culmination of his career to date has set the situation up such that it dictates his future to be decided by that game on Friday night.

 

[PowerBaz]

FTFY.

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So it's like the early 80's, Ken is only halfway through his reign.

 

[PowerLil]

If Koch is the Chairman, who exactly are the big wigs Chewy316 ?

 

[Chewy316]

If Koch is the Chairman, who exactly are the big wigs Chewy316 ?

The top leaders at the Club in executive type positions are the Board of Directors (including Koch), Richo as CEO, and CD as head of footy.

 

[philreich]

The issue for me is, it’s not just that he survived, it’s that those who wanted him held accountable were treated like delusional idiots who don’t understand football for feeling that way.

Then when he pulls a rabbit out of a hat — ie, finishing minor premier in the asterisk forest that was COVID — they double down, dunking in our faces while simultaneously deeming Hinkley a miracle worker for ‘exceeding all expectations’.

He’s the reason the expectations were at rock bottom in the first place!

It’s like being in an abusive relationship, except your judgemental mother is siding with him because he smiles and is generally quiet and inoffensive at Christmas.

Just imagine AFL360 next Monday if we get smashed, and Ken is given his marching orders - it'll be like a wake at a funeral, and Whateley will declare mournfully, "So Port fans have finally got what they wanted, but from my point of view this is a sad day for football, because the career of one of the great coaches in the history of the game is no more."

 

[johnnysix]

Just imagine AFL360 next Monday if we get smashed, and Ken is given his marching orders - it'll be like a wake at a funeral, and Whateley will declare mournfully, "So Port fans have finally got what they wanted, but from my point of view this is a sad day for football, because the career of one of the great coaches in the history of the game is no more."

The footy media has the memory of a goldfish. This is the reality. We start playing good footy and winning premierships and the memory of Ken's sacking will be gone with the wind. The same goes for our current position. The answer is winning.

 

[King_Tredrea]

You should try reading every board except the Hawthorn board then, because about 95% of non Hawks supporters have no problem with what Ken did and see the reaction as a massive sook.

95% of neutral supporters think Ken is a "top bloke" who has done a great job with basket case Port Power. Not a great resource to point to there.

 

[dirty2]

I don't know.... But if the board/football committee ect are thinking Hinkley's isn't the man for the job then that's the answer for them.

None of this if he wins he's In.. or if he losses by 21.5 points or less we will keep him..

All just a load of shit.

 

[Chad WinGOAT]

I understand Koch's comments are annoying and ill timed given he has been held back all season long. But given the amount of contract lying to journos faces from players, coaches and now board members, there's no need to go in hard over it.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill.

The board has always publicly taken the stance of being fully behind Kenny. For optics purposes it’s important as no one can blame the board for lack of support or resources etc.

I think it’s important to remind everyone that whilst Koch is the chairman he doesn’t make the decision on the coach. We have established this already. The footy committee makes the call. The board ratify the decision. It’s actually not Koch's place to say his position is under threat as no official footy review has been conducted by the footy committee. You might as well have asked a random fan off the street for their opinion, it would have had just much as weight.

I view it as a free hit to publicly back Kenny without actually verifying anything. Much like Kenny saying in his press conference before the Hawks game saying "the facts are I'm contracted for next season", this is effectively the same thing from the boards perspective.

Kenny has had all the media on him leading into the game and its clear the club let that happen. Now that Kenny has stopped the rot of losing finals, they will back him in for a prelim win. If he loses, the heat will turn back on and they can still fire him pending a footy committee review.

 

[GremioPower]

The footy committee makes the call.

And that’s also a problem.

 

[longdonkey]

I'm not sure I agree with your notion that his future riding on this game is soooo wrong as you put it. In a vacuum, potentially. But at the end of the day, he needs to win the big games.

In my opinion the history is strong enough and no matter what happens on Friday night there is a strong case that Ken is no longer and hasn't been the best person to lead the club for some time.

I don't know who is doing what, but its obvious to see that Ken has relinquished some responsibilities and there hasn't been a downturn in performance.

We beat up enough teams out of the 8 when we get an easier draw based on the performance of the best 10 players to make finals, take them out of the team or we play top 8 teams our performance does not hold up.

When we make the finals its obvious to see that we cannot match the best teams unless everything goes right for us. Hawthorn was an aberration and in my opinion Hawthorn were more hype than Hollywood. If we can beat Sydney I'm more than happy to be proven wrong but I think list management have more to do with the reason why we make finals and in general our coaching is the reason why we lose finals. I know its sounds like I'm cherry picking but that is in my opinion the hard truth.

 

[papahuggey]

I appreciate the last few posts but my concern is that unfortunately it appears there is weight to what Kochie says. I refer to last year and the 'August deadline'.

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[tribey]

I appreciate the last few posts but my concern is that unfortunately it appears there is weight to what Kochie says. I refer to last year and the 'August deadline'.

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Port could lose by 100 points and he’s not going to accept a recommendation to sack — if there is one — and have to weather the ensuing firestorm from everyone who has ever conceded the last tinned spaghetti toastie to him at Fitzroy and Geelong.

 

[Bevoman]

Port could lose by 100 points and he’s not going to accept a recommendation to sack — if there is one — and have to weather the ensuing firestorm from everyone who has ever conceded the last tinned spaghetti toastie to him at Fitzroy and Geelong.

Move on, he will coach out his contract for next year.

 

[tribey]

Move on, he will coach out his contract for next year.

Precisely my point, I thought.

 

[Chewy316]

In my opinion the history is strong enough and no matter what happens on Friday night there is a strong case that Ken is no longer and hasn't been the best person to lead the club for some time.

I don't know who is doing what, but its obvious to see that Ken has relinquished some responsibilities and there hasn't been a downturn in performance.

We beat up enough teams out of the 8 when we get an easier draw based on the performance of the best 10 players to make finals, take them out of the team or we play top 8 teams our performance does not hold up.

When we make the finals its obvious to see that we cannot match the best teams unless everything goes right for us. Hawthorn was an aberration and in my opinion Hawthorn were more hype than Hollywood. If we can beat Sydney I'm more than happy to be proven wrong but I think list management have more to do with the reason why we make finals and in general our coaching is the reason why we lose finals. I know its sounds like I'm cherry picking but that is in my opinion the hard truth.

Port's record against teams in the top 8 this year is 6-4. For context, Sydney's is 7-3, Brisbane's is 5-5 and Geelong's is 6-5. So based on this season at least I can't agree with the idea that Port capitulate against the top teams relative to their competitors. In previous years (especially around 2017) they absolutely could not beat teams in the top 8, but that imo hasn't been a problem for quite some years.

I would also challenge you to take the best 10 players out of any team and see how the remainder of the team performs against good sides. You're drawing some pretty long bows there which are purely subjective.

Hawthorn had the #1 offence and #1 defence since round 9 of this season. Won 15 of their past 19 games heading into last Friday night by an average of 45 points. They are a really good team and one can't simply overlook them and be dismissive of the win.

If Port win on Friday night, Ken deserves a lot of credit. Can't say that getting a team to a grand final is purely because of sound list management.

 

[MrMeaner]

If Port win on Friday night, Ken deserves a lot of credit. Can't say that getting a team to a grand final is purely because of sound list management.

Perhaps. I still think we are relying too much on fanatical chaos and would be far better if the effort was coupled with better structure. We will never get that with Hinkley.

 

[Chewy316]

Perhaps. I still think we are relying too much on fanatical chaos and would be far better if the effort was coupled with better structure. We will never get that with Hinkley.

Don't conflate the two ideas.

1) Hinkley deserves credit if they make it to a grand final
2) the Club can do better than Hinkley as its senior coach.

Both statements can be true.

 

[tribey]

Perhaps. I still think we are relying too much on fanatical chaos and would be far better if the effort was coupled with better structure. We will never get that with Hinkley.

Geelong @ KP: W by 6
Hawthorn @ AO: W by 1
Carlton @ AO: L by 36
GWS @ SHO: L by 22
Brisbane @ AO: L by 79
Bulldogs @ AO: W by 48
Carlton @ MVL: W by 14
Sydney @ AO: W by 112
Geelong @ AO: L by 84
Hawthorn @ AO: W by 3