Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 12 - Finals Are Scary

[agmsy]

People getting their knickers in a twist over Ken being a "father-figure" to the players is IMO a symptom of this board, and the anger & disdain that many have for Hinkley & the club's administration.

Nah.

Even if Hinkley wasn't a fundamentally deficient football coach, it would be a weird thing for the players to say, and it's made even weirder by just how frequently and enthusiastically they line up to publicly declare their love for Daddy Donuts.

Worse is the players who can't separate a defence of (or profession of deep and abiding love for) Hinkley from an attack on their members and supporters.

There's no need for Dixon to constantly tell us "your [sic] stupid", except to make himself feel better.

There's no need (and no factual basis) for Rozee to declare that "[disgruntled fans] don't know much about us". He's been captain for less than a year - some of the people he's dismissing so flippantly have supported the club (and understood its true culture and legacy) for 2-3x as long as he's been alive. We know exactly what this group is about under Hinkley.

It's completely ridiculous.

 

[Kenny_Powers]

You can't tell me all players dig Ken... I mean he might be a good bloke and all but they aren't daft. Some would want him out i'm sure.

It's Ken and his fan group circling the wagons again as someone else put it.

I'd be surprised if one single player left, but if they did, good bye and good riddance.


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[Ported]

Someone posted an article from after the 2003 failed finals series and it was very critical of Williams' possession gameplan and how it stacks up in finals. Why is there nothing similar about our last 5 finals series?

Hinkley's gameplan matched with our list caught the comp off guard in 13/14 and he's not been able to manufacture a competitive advantage since. If all of our wins need to be generated by grinding harder than the opposition, it's no wonder we fail in finals.

Even Kane noted that we just never get easy goals. Everything is so much work to generate scores.

 

[tribey]

Odds with the bookies
Hawthorn $1.60
Port $2.35

Yes they were underdogs.

The only time in the entire history of the national competition that a home semi finalist was underdog against a visiting opponent from interstate.

What a marvellous reflection on Ken Hinkley.

 

[Ilias M]

The embarrassment continues


‘I just can’t believe it… I think he has every reason to hold his head up really high.’ Premier Peter Malinauskas has backed under-fire Power coach Ken Hinkley as the right man for the job crediting his success and longevity



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[Ford Fairlane]

The players loved Russell Ebert too when he was coach and in a much more fundamental way as he was a club legend and some had played alongside him late in his career.

Nobody left when he was replaced as coach by John Cahill, and they played in a premiership in Jack's first year back to confirm it was the right decision.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

The embarrassment continues


‘I just can’t believe it… I think he has every reason to hold his head up really high.’ Premier Peter Malinauskas has backed under-fire Power coach Ken Hinkley as the right man for the job crediting his success and longevity



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Stick to fixing the ramping crisis Peter Popular.

 

[King_Tredrea]

Odds with the bookies
Hawthorn $1.60
Port $2.35

Yes they were underdogs.

Fcuk off

 

[Taper]

The only time in the entire history of the national competition that a home semi finalist was underdog against a visiting opponent from interstate.

What a marvellous reflection on Ken Hinkley.

2017 semi final odds
Geelong $3.20
Sydney $1.36

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

I understand that many Port fans want to see the back of Ken but what level of player exodus would you be willing to accept?
Putting his failings aside for a moment he is obviously adored by the players.

As an example would it be worth being Ken free if you lost Butters and JHF?

No exaggeration, I would give away Butters for free if it guarantees removing Ken

 

[finbarr]

The embarrassment continues


‘I just can’t believe it… I think he has every reason to hold his head up really high.’ Premier Peter Malinauskas has backed under-fire Power coach Ken Hinkley as the right man for the job crediting his success and longevity



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lol who the f*k gives two shits what Malinauskas thinks? Why is he even being asked? This state sometimes......*shakes head

 

[King_Tredrea]

2017 semi final odds
Geelong $3.20
Sydney $1.36

Well those odds were proven to be laughable because Geelong destroyed them. Uncle Kenny's Port fell over the line against Hawthorn.

 

[Workingclass]

lol who the f*k gives two shits what Malinauskas thinks? Why is he even being asked? This state sometimes......*shakes head

All powerful jock premier who's failed to deliver on core promise backs serial underachiever

 

[Lefti93]

What are they saying amongst themselves right now. How many anyone in charge of a decision possibly thinking that the way forward is the status quo.

 

[Macca19]

The line of thought that there would be an exodus if Hinkley is removed as coach is just so flawed. When has that ever happened?

 

[Scodges]

If we don’t do well in the trade period, I can see Hinkley walking. He cannot take this current list any further. His highest priority will be Luko given Dixon & most probably Marshall won’t play in [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji6]. He’d be panicking.


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[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

“Scared money don’t make money”.

Why would players leave because Ken gets sacked? He won’t get a coaching job elsewhere, so where are they going to?

No so much that they would chase after him but more be open to entertaining offers from other clubs

There should be no fear in finishing 10th/having a bad season if that result leads to a change in game plan, staff or both.

Fair enough but what if it meant an extended period of no man's land/bottom four finishes?

No exaggeration, I would give away Butters for free if it guarantees removing Ken

Butters is arguably the best player in the comp- it's exactly this type of loss the club might be fearing, take the top couple of players from any team and watch them plummet down the ladder.
Obviously you aren't losing him for free but even a top draft pick will take years to be anything close to a replacement.

At least with Ken your list stays intact.
Maybe a succession plan over a few years is the answer

 

[Capital Power]

If we don’t do well in the trade period, I can see Hinkley walking. He cannot take this current list any further. His highest priority will be Luko given Dixon & most probably Marshall won’t play in [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji6]. He’d be panicking.


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I don't think he's panicking at all. He's contracted, he knows that whatever expectations there are on him next year will dissolve if they're not met, and a few decent results will get him an extension. He also enjoys an inconceivable amount of air cover from the club and the media.

He's probably not long away from retiring, we're just going to have to deal with it until then.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

No so much that they would chase after him but more be open to entertaining offers from other clubs

Fair enough but what if it meant an extended period of no man's land/bottom four finishes?

Butters is arguably the best player in the comp- it's exactly this type of loss the club might be fearing, take the top couple of players from any team and watch them plummet down the ladder.
Obviously you aren't losing him for free but even a top draft pick will take years to be anything close to a replacement.

At least with Ken your list stays intact.
Maybe a succession plan over a few years is the answer

Imagine if Clarkson and therefore Hawthorn in that period has zero premierships and he is still coach with Mitchell sitting in the corner.

That's what Hinkley is for Port today.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Maybe a succession plan over a few years is the answer

Worst username to post content ratio in internet history.

 

[Macca19]

Fair enough but what if it meant an extended period of no man's land/bottom four finishes?

At what point does simply making up the numbers not become acceptable anymore? As a Hawthorn supporter would you be happy if Mitchell does not develop the results of the team any further than what we saw this year? How long would you accept being a finals also ran before you want change?

In the end if a change of coach sends us down the ladder, then so be it. It's a risk you take. But as we are not a premiership threat with the status quo, then it's not really much of a bother for me

 

[Macca19]

No so much that they would chase after him but more be open to entertaining offers from other clubs

Butters is arguably the best player in the comp- it's exactly this type of loss the club might be fearing, take the top couple of players from any team and watch them plummet down the ladder.
Obviously you aren't losing him for free but even a top draft pick will take years to be anything close to a replacement.

At least with Ken your list stays intact.
Maybe a succession plan over a few years is the answer

And just on this point, we are more likely to see players look elsewhere if in 2-3-4 years time we still have Hinkley and still haven't made a GF. Players will look to leave for success.

In the end every coach has an end point. Hinkley is nearly 60, he hasn't made a GF, he's been coaching for 12 years, our playing group need to get used to the fact he isn't going around much longer regardless of whether he gets sacked this off season or retires at the end of next year.

 

[Fizzler]

Fair enough but what if it meant an extended period of no man's land/bottom four finishes?

Answer me this, why do you think this will happen? I know we weren’t all that good immediately before Ken arrived but **** me dead, that was 12 years ago. It holds zero relevance. There’s no reason to think a proven loser like Ken is single-handedly holding a club with this list, and this midfield specifically, and has finished top 4 in 4 of the last 5 H&A seasons from suddenly going to the bottom 4 and being stuck there for ages. I’d much rather be in Richmond’s situation if it meant I’d just seen 3 flags in 4 years.

Think of the situation like this, your club just moved on Clarkson for Mitchell. In 2034 your club is either going to have moved on from Mitchell, or he’s going to have won a flag as coach. Think about how you might feel if he’s still there as coach but hasn’t even made a grand final. You reckon you’ll be happy when an oppo fan chimes in to say “yeah but what if (player who’s 2 years away from being drafted) leaves?” or “yeah but remember 2024 when you were supposed to finish bottom 4 but made a semi final”?

 

[Lambot]

Question.
Could the member board vote which instilled Tredrea as a board member be viewed as a defacto vote on Ken's position? And, if so, could the fact that members voted this way be now used as (more) evidence that the members do not want Ken? And would the decision makers even care what the members want?

I'll admit I did not vote for Tredrea (let's not get into it) even though I did agree with his views on Ken.

 

[finbarr]

Imagine if Clarkson and therefore Hawthorn in that period has zero premierships and he is still coach with Mitchell sitting in the corner.

That's what Hinkley is for Port today.

Imagine if Clarkson and therefore Hawthorn in that period has zero premierships and he is still coach....but "the list stayed intact".....