Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 12 - Finals Are Scary

[PortPortPort]

Some supporters and the media will talk like he's the Jurgen Klopp of Port Adelaide.

 

[rogerjames]

We have asked this question a few times after disappointing seasons, but what would it take for the club to do a complete independent external review? The club keep telling us what a wonderful job they do so they should welcome such a review.

That won't happen under the current admin imo, those days are done

 

[El_Scorcho]

Carr has been a highly rated assistant at 2 clubs, he's won a drought breaking premiership as a head coach in his own right, and he's a completely different character in every way from Hinkley.

Yes, we should run a full process, but Carr is ready, he's the right kind of character, there's nobody out there who is clearly better than him that we're passing up. Let's give him a go before we write him off.

 

[rogerjames]

I think we've made it folks - Hinkball is done, the Sackening is upon us. I can feel it.

His stupid little weasle words, avoiding accountability aren't going to save him this time - even in the finals press conference.

I've got a bottle of Don P ready for the event and I can't wait to pull up my deck chair and watch him walk out of Alberton with his cardboard box. I'll be there the day of the sackening and anyone who wants to come for a glass of the finest bubbly is welcome to join and boo him out one last time.

Goodbye Kenneth - I would say it's been a pleasure, but that's a lie.

I'm heading to Melbourne for a GF lunch on Friday so hoping I'm here for an announcement if it comes (still sceptical). I've been waiting since 2015 for this. I've remained a BD member throughout but will stand out next year if he's still there.

 

[Dupre]

Hinkley is adored by his players according to our captain and that is all that matters, not the history of club not the fans he enjoys the love of his boys.He ain’t going anywhere.

 

[rogerjames]

Carr has been a highly rated assistant at 2 clubs, he's won a drought breaking premiership as a head coach in his own right, and he's a completely different character in every way from Hinkley.

Yes, we should run a full process, but Carr is ready, he's the right kind of character, there's nobody out there who is clearly better than him that we're passing up. Let's give him a go before we write him off.

Happy to give him a go but how do you know there isn't a clearly better candidate out there. Carr with the same assistant coaches will be an improvement but we need new ideas & people with the required ambition to win a flag.

 

[melanChronic]

Even if Carr turns out to be a Primusesque failson it will still be so so worth escaping the current stasis.

 

[rogerjames]

Hinkley is adored by his players according to our captain and that is all that matters, not the history of club not the fans he enjoys the love of his boys.He ain’t going anywhere.

All that matters imo is the success of the PA football club & that is measured by 2 things. Firstly, winning premierships & secondly, being financially viable. Rest is just side salad.

 

[philreich]

We Exist to Win Premierships... Eventually

I thought that was St. Kilda's slogan..........

 

[Willsy10]

"Hinkley got Port to a prelim, how do you know Carr will get you that far next year?"

Umm i guess Carr has 12 years to make a GF if we want to make this a level playing field.

The Hinkley fan club is talking as if Carr has to be better than Hinkley immediately or else its a fail.

 

[philreich]

I enjoy the Hinkley train as much as any Crows fan but Christ the last 24 hours from the media have been too much. I can't imagine what it must be like for Port fans to stomach the insane media narrative about a list that has been built by a coach in his 12th year in the role.

Just think Matthew Nicks, and then double it.

 

[Del165198]

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[Willsy10]

I'm happy to be all in on Carr, but we MUST bring in some fresh assistants too. We've got a Temu coaching panel.

 

[Coobk001]

The talk is getting louder about Hinkley "walking away". I think this is happening. The club is definitely preparing the ground for a soft landing for everyone involved. Not sure Hinkley deserves to be seen to go out on his terms. Deserves a very public sacking but oh well.

I don't think he deserves a public sacking. It's the boards fault for never making the decision, they should be the ones copping it. Hinkley just wasn't good enough, should be sacked like every other coach that's done the same.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

David King drove home 2 main points when discussing Port this morning:

1) It’s almost unfathomable that an AFL side can rubber stamp a forward line structure like ours. He just couldn’t believe how dysfunctional it was.

2) He was highly critical of the club pursuing & persisting with players who will always be B & C graders.

 

[DaTBird187]

If it's true that people at the club read BF, maybe we should have a thread about our new coach Josh Carr.
If they see that supporters are on board, it may help with some with indecision where it counts.

The 2024 Goodbye (To Hinkley) New; Carr to coach in 2025 Discussion - Invented by Kevin Sheedy thread.

 

[Coobk001]

We're becoming the new Geelong's, everyone writes us off every year. We still find a way to make finals and prelims, then we lose and the cycle starts again.

Only difference being Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

took what 11 years to win a flag* and 9 to get to a GF. Meanwhile we're here 12 years later in Never Never Land.

*Ignoring Chris' first year because he was basically handed a GF and cup there, taking over peak Geelong.

 

[Coobk001]

If it's true that people at the club read BF, maybe we should have a thread about our new coach Josh Carr.
If they see that supporters are on board, it may help with some indecision where it counts.

Are we on board with that? I'm not.

I want someone from outside. Untarnished. Fresh Ideas.

 

[rogerjames]

Made an account just to finally contribute to this thread. Been a club member since 1997 sans a few years here and there.



This situation is bizarre and is just another example of people in positions of power who have no idea what they’re doing. It’s not as if there will ever be a statue built outside AO of the current coach, and yet most of the media plus a lot of the club (seemingly) act as if this is the case. (And has been pointed out many times, both the media and even folks at the club might not have the club’s best interests at heart). But as we know, this is the longest serving coach never to make a grand final in the history of the game. Once again we have failed to move past the preliminary. Even if the list were not up to scratch - which it basically is (please note all the players who have won premierships who aren’t superstars) - the coach has had 12 years to compile a list which could, at the very least, make a grand final. Meanwhile, insert all the clubs that have made a GF or won one in that time (off the top of my head the ones who haven’t made a GF are Carlton, Essendon, Saints, GC, and North). And the so-called incredible H&A win-loss record is bolstered significantly with winning most games against those clubs (North, GC, etc.), while we have repeatedly failed to win games against good teams.



But the thing I want to emphasise is that the language, the ideas, and the attitude in general, which have been at play during this period of time, have not been helpful in actually winning a premiership. From “finals are scary” to using Oppenheimer as a theme (etcetera), the players have not been given a psychological chance of winning. I think they are emotionally psyched out because of the high amount of stress in the atmosphere, which I know others have spoken about but I just want to emphasise this point. Compare driving a car when you are totally stressed with being calm and relaxed. Yes sometimes playing with such stress can work in a game of footy, but the intensity is not sustainable and generally lacks joy. You need to actually want to win. We fell over the line in the one stress-induced finals win we’ve had in ten years. Premiership teams often want to play tough finals football. They manage to transform the stress into excitement (the language around Sydney last week was all about being excited). They were excited, we were unable to focus. 9.1 to 4.6. Under this coach, getting closer and closer to success has brought about more and more stress. And there’s been little guidance on what to do with this, because I don’t think the coach knows. And I think that deep down the players have wanted to avoid more of the psychological hellscape that comes about as we near success, and so it’s basic self-sabotage. It’s missing goals and kicking perfectly to the opposition when an opportunity is actually there. But the key here is that it doesn’t have to be so hellish. The players can learn how to relate differently to the emotions that come up, hopefully with a different coach who has been successful in winning a premiership. They need some breathing air, a fresh approach with a different attitude. The whole club needs it. Let’s give ourselves the best chance of winning some flags.

Beautifully written

 

[rumoursofwinter]

We still don't have a functional forward line with players leading and having the ball passed to them. Its the dream.

 

[Coobk001]

"Hinkley got Port to a prelim, how do you know Carr will get you that far next year?"

Umm i guess Carr has 12 years to make a GF if we want to make this a level playing field.

The Hinkley fan club is talking as if Carr has to be better than Hinkley immediately or else its a fail.

I mean personally I don't care if a new coach takes us to the bottom 4 next year. I would rather have a crack as a club in trying to change, than keep persisting with what we know is not working. We need to find a GREAT coach. If that means we have to kiss a few frogs to get to the Prince then so be it.

We need change. We need to shake things up.

New gamestyle, new personnel, new voices for our players, new hope for our supporters. All those intangibles are missing at the moment and it creates incredibly repetitive results, comfortable players, and a flat supporter base.

 

[TazD]

I like how the list will implode because Boak and Dixon are retiring. How will we ever cover for those two?

 

[PepeSilvia]

"Kenny doesn't have the cattle!"

Bullshit. Talent beats poor teams despite mediocre coaching. Mediocre coaching does not beat good teams despite talent.

To consistently beat the best, you need a talented group of players, a fundamentally sound game plan, and a good coach. We have a talented group of players. We have had a talented group of players for a long time. We do not have a fundamentally sound game plan, and we do not have a good coach.

Since the start of 2013 up to and including the weekend just gone, Port have the third-best overall win-loss record of all sides at 165 wins and 111 losses (59.8%). This is, in large part, because of our 79.3% (119W, 31L) win rate against Bottom 10 sides—this is the best record in the league against Bottom 10 sides.

Our record against Top 8 sides over these 12 seasons is 36.5% (46W, 80L)—this is the 6th best record in the league against Top 8 sides.

Our record against Top 4 sides since 2013 is 26.9% (18W, 49L)—this is the 10th best record in the league against Top 4 sides.


Notes:
*I have used the Top 4 and Top 8 from the end of the H&A season, not the end of the finals.
*I have counted draws as half a win and half a loss.

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Matthew the property developer contracts Ken the builder to build some houses on a large sub-divided block. The facades of the houses are perfect, with beautifully pointed stonework. Ken's done a great job inside—the fixtures and fittings are beyond critique. Even the backyards are beautifully landscaped. Matthew the property developer takes the houses to market and makes a killing.

A few weeks into the settlement period, the new owners call Matthew to say that they're pulling out of their contracts and taking him to court. All of their roofs have blown away, the ceilings have caved in, the wiring has failed and the houses are badly fire-damaged. Matthew ends up losing millions. Ken the builder has gone bankrupt and doesn't want to know about it.

Matthew the property developer, on the brink of bankruptcy himself, comes across some cheap land—he sees an opportunity. He sells his holiday house, pulls his kids out of private school, takes out a second mortgage on his house, and starts looking for a builder. Ken pops up—says he's registered a new ABN, promises he’ll do a better job this time, and because he feels terrible about what happened on the last project, offers Matthew a 40% discount. What should Matthew do?

 

[PowerLil]

Is Hinkley in the exit meetings Chewy316

 

[rogerjames]

Alot of you have wanted ken gone since 2017 some of you even before that. You have all shown great patience while going through the angst of Ken leading this club during this time
Just be patient for another few days. After that you will be able to enjoy your summer alot more than you would have thought you were going too.

It's been a nightmare. Just want the Port Adelaide Football Club back.