Certified Legendary Thread Sack Hinkley 13 - Another Crack At This

[Brian McGee]

The data that Koch relies on shows that we are achieving all of the metrics that they want to hit. Good financials by paying the debt down, perennially in finals so “successful”. Solid member numbers. All signs of a well run club.

Winning the premiership is now a secondary priority to being a stable business. They anre happy continually making up the numbers and not being shit enough to get people offside. Until that starts costing us our higher end players because they actually want success nothing will change.

 

[rogerjames]

Koch only looks at data that don't make him and Hinkley look stupid. He clearly glosses over stuff like 3 finals wins in 10 years, or the fact that we've lost 5 of our last 6 finals by an average of 9 goals, because they don't suit his agenda.

The 5 of 6 final losses by average of 9 goals (is it really that much?) needs to be brought up at the AGM. It's appalling. No-one can defend that.

 

[rogerjames]

That's been known forever he had to be talked into it because he didn't wanna go through the process having been rejected a number of times elsewhere.

It's happened before Blighty was hired over reds & coffees with Reidy.

Yeh, Ken had given up because of several failed attempts at getting a head coach gig. Not overly surprising, imagine the power point presentation. It would be so basic & lack logical thought.

He just walked into our job coz we were desperate. Really desperate as it turned out.

 

[philreich]

The 5 of 6 final losses by average of 9 goals (is it really that much?) needs to be brought up at the AGM. It's appalling. No-one can defend that.

A 14 goal QF loss and a 12 goal PF loss - both in Adelaide, should be enough to warrant a dismissal.

 

[sobrave]

The 5 of 6 final losses by average of 9 goals (is it really that much?) needs to be brought up at the AGM. It's appalling. No-one can defend that.

Western Bulldogs - worst home prelim loss in AFL history
Brisbane - flogged us
Gws - basically flogged us
Geelong - absolutely flogged us
Sydney - flogged us

None of those games were competitive. The ones that were "close-ish" on the scorelines (Sydney and GWS) were basically them putting the cue in the rack when it was obvious we brought no threat.

It's absolutely laughable that piss Davies and "woohoo" Richardson keep saying we're "close" when you actually look at our finals.

 

[VineValerian]

Heard a third hand whisper he'll announce it as his last prior to the season starting. I'll believe it when I see it

Buckley's chance of that happening.
It would have had to have been announced before now it it was going to happen.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Koch only looks at data that don't make him and Hinkley look stupid. He clearly glosses over stuff like 3 finals wins in 10 years, or the fact that we've lost 5 of our last 6 finals by an average of 9 goals, because they don't suit his agenda.

Koch is German for cherry picker. True fact.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Western Bulldogs - worst home prelim loss in AFL history
Brisbane - flogged us
Gws - basically flogged us
Geelong - absolutely flogged us
Sydney - flogged us

Win one of those and Hinkley's post-game antics would've seen him running around the ground buzzing opposition players and pretending to be the Enola Gay even though he didn't see the movie.

 

[PowerLil]

Buckley's chance of that happening.
It would have had to have been announced before now it it was going to happen.

Dunno..fwiw I think there's more chance of seeing a pig fly past my place but that's what I was told.

 

[bomberclifford]

he didn't wanna go through the process having been rejected a number of times elsewhere.

How much of a red flag was this in hindsight?

 

[JimmyBC]

How much of a red flag was this in hindsight?

Absolutely, but at the time it was like we were coaxing out a reluctant coaching savant while being egged on by Geelong flogs with our 'best interests' at heart.

Shows how desperate and out of options we were as well I guess.

 

[TeeKray]

Regardless of how he was appointed it's hard to deny that he was the right man for the job at the time. But that was more than 12 years ago. It's since been proven that he's not capable of taking the team to the next level (ie grand finals and premierships). That's perfectly fine, it's a high bar. The actual blame falls on the board and senior management for being too stupid and/or gutless to recognise this and move him on.

 

[Doctor Feel]

And now we would be an extremely attractive option for prospective head coaches but for some reason we feel the need to annoint without due process in Carr, Sutcliffe blah blah blah the list is endless, and keep the fat bollard in charge. It's incomprehensible.

 

[PowerLil]

Regardless of how he was appointed it's hard to deny that he was the right man for the job at the time. But that was more than 12 years ago. It's since been proven that he's not capable of taking the team to the next level (ie grand finals and premierships). That's perfectly fine, it's a high bar. The actual blame falls on the board and senior management for being too stupid and/or gutless to recognise this and move him on.

Someone who refuses to go through an interview process is never the right man for the job.

 

[Harlott]

Regardless of how he was appointed it's hard to deny that he was the right man for the job at the time. But that was more than 12 years ago. It's since been proven that he's not capable of taking the team to the next level (ie grand finals and premierships). That's perfectly fine, it's a high bar. The actual blame falls on the board and senior management for being too stupid and/or gutless to recognise this and move him on.

In my mind, no one on our current board including Tredrea would be on a McLean or Weber led board.

 

[Harlott]

And now the club think we are Brisbane & Hinkley is Fagan.

Koch thinks we’re Sydney if you take away their 2012 gf win which could’ve gone either way and their 5 GF appearances….

 

[Us against the rest]

And now we would be an extremely attractive option for prospective head coaches but for some reason we feel the need to annoint without due process in Carr, Sutcliffe blah blah blah the list is endless, and keep the fat bollard in charge. It's incomprehensible.

I don't want Carr any more either, he's been in this bizarre system too long and doesn't seem hungry enough to push the club to make a decision now.

Like I have posted prior, there has been no official announcement from the club on any succession plan.

The club needs to clean out a few more idiots running the show and then look for the best possible option for head coach, a complete fresh start.

 

[Us against the rest]

These were the main points in Richo's email to me.

1) We finished 2nd.
2) The club is not toxic. A direct hit back at me because I called the system toxic.
3) The system is far from broken.
4) the players are behind Ken for season 2025.
5) Membership is up.
6) Of course we didn't make a GF unfortunately. (Number 6, obviously not a priority)
7) we are a young exciting team and will add some more experience to it, Atkins lol.
8) we should be excited about 2025.

This is the clubs logic somewhat in order.

In other words he took a big dump in my in box.

We are ****ed unless we have a big clean out, the next coach will come into this strange club and not be pushed for results.

 

[rogerjames]

Western Bulldogs - worst home prelim loss in AFL history
Brisbane - flogged us
Gws - basically flogged us
Geelong - absolutely flogged us
Sydney - flogged us

None of those games were competitive. The ones that were "close-ish" on the scorelines (Sydney and GWS) were basically them putting the cue in the rack when it was obvious we brought no threat.

It's absolutely laughable that piss Davies and "woohoo" Richardson keep saying we're "close" when you actually look at our finals.

Yeh, I know we've been totally uncompetitive & mostly out of the game very early but an average loss of 9 goals is bigger than I thought

 

[rogerjames]

These were the main points in Richo's email to me.

1) We finished 2nd.
2) The club is not toxic. A direct hit back at me because I called the system toxic.
3) The system is far from broken.
4) the players are behind Ken for season 2025.
5) Membership is up.
6) Of course we didn't make a GF unfortunately. (Number 6, obviously not a priority)
6) we are a young exciting team and will add some more experience to it, Atkins lol.
7) we should be excited about 2025.

This is the clubs logic somewhat in order.

In other words he took a big dump in my in box.

We are ****ed unless we have a big clean out, the next coach will come into this strange club and not be pushed for results.

We finished 3rd. The other points are reasonable. But what can't be argued is our pathetic finals performances. He says nothing about that because he can't. He has chosen his reponses carefully.

 

[rogerjames]

Koch thinks we’re Sydney if you take away their 2012 gf win which could’ve gone either way and their 5 GF appearances….

We share one thing in common. Both coaches are cooked.

 

[rogerjames]

A 14 goal QF loss and a 12 goal PF loss - both in Adelaide, should be enough to warrant a dismissal.

So glad I didn't attend either. In Greece for first final & knew the Swans game wasn't ending well. It shows just how delusional the club is. They think we are close. We're not a chance in hell in 2025.

 

[rogerjames]

How much of a red flag was this in hindsight?

When you speak like Hinkles there's no way you want to go thru that process. It's never ending well.

 

[rogerjames]

Regardless of how he was appointed it's hard to deny that he was the right man for the job at the time. But that was more than 12 years ago. It's since been proven that he's not capable of taking the team to the next level (ie grand finals and premierships). That's perfectly fine, it's a high bar. The actual blame falls on the board and senior management for being too stupid and/or gutless to recognise this and move him on.

I don't think they recognise it coz they know jacksh*t about football

 

[dirty2]

Koch is German for cherry picker. True fact.

And I thought it meant w***er...