Opinion Sack Hinkley 6 - Kochblocked

[Us against the rest]

 

[Enviable Tradition]

First sign of pressure and he cracks. Unbelievable.

I can just imagine him trying to leave the wrong way like George W Bush.

 

[finbarr]

I was always told not to count my chickens until they hatch but.

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Reminded me of my favourite ever YouTube clip.

 

[El_Scorcho]

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

He'll do a Bud Dwyer at the next presser if pressed more on his future.

 

[dirty2]

 

[Gryllis]

Has all the makings of a sacking.

When the likes of Bucks etc were sacked it was reported they had the offer to wait until the end of the season, but chose to leave immediately with a few rounds to go. I wonder if Ken has been told, but he's too stubborn, so the announcement will be postponed until the end of the season.

 

[Marmozet]

Hopefully Richmond can really stick the boot in tomorrow night now.

 

[Janus]

thundercloud here are the numbers you were after, Michelangelo.

Hinkley
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League Average
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Other 10+ year coaches - Hardwick, Scott, Longmire (since 2013)
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And for good measure, 9 year coach - Adam Simpson
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LOL. Let's pick the three most dominant clubs over the past 13 years to do a comparison against. Up until this year, Geelong has missed finals only once and Richmond and Sydney have missed finals twice - with Sydney being top four 4 times, Richmond being top four 4 times and Geelong being top four a staggering 7 times during this time period.

I've got a better idea - let's compare Hardwick 2010-2016 to Hinkley 2013-2019. You know, when Richmond was actually shit. That's a more fair comparison

Richmond

2010 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 2-10 vs top eight (16.7%)
2011 - 0-4 vs top four (0%), 1-9-1 vs top eight (13.6%)
2012 - 2-2 vs top four (50%), 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2013 - 2-3 vs top four (40%) , 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2014 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-2 vs top four (60%), 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2016 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)

Total: vs top four 9/33 (27.3%), vs top eight 17.5/69 (25.4%)

By comparison, in the same time period (seven years):

Port Adelaide

2013 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 2-6 vs top eight (25%)
2014 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 6-7 vs top eight (46.2%)
2016 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)
2017 - 0-5 vs top four (0%) 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2018 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2019 - 1-5 vs top four (16.7%), 3-7 vs top eight (30%)

Total: vs top four 9/38 (23.7%), vs top eight 20/68 (29.4%)

So let's get this straight - in Hinkley's first seven years, even with that bullshit 2016 season, he won just as many games as Hardwick did in his first seven years (but played 5 more matches against top four teams) + won 2.5 more matches than Hardwick against top eight teams playing the same number of games. Both Richmond and Port played finals three times during this period.

The difference? When Richmond dropped out of finals contention in 2016 after playing three finals series in a row, Hardwick knew his list was good enough to win a flag in 2017, because in 2015 they had gone 60% against the top four and 44% against the top eight.

In 2015, we had done something similar (50% against the top four and 46% against the top eight), so when we had our drop off in 2016 it was only natural that we expected to challenge for a flag alongside Richmond. But instead, we went 0% against the top four and 22% against the top eight. That's when we knew we had to start again.

 

[PepeSilvia]

LOL. Let's pick the three most dominant clubs over the past 13 years to do a comparison against. Up until this year, Geelong has missed finals only once and Richmond and Sydney have missed finals twice - with Sydney being top four 4 times, Richmond being top four 4 times and Geelong being top four a staggering 7 times during this time period.

I've got a better idea - let's compare Hardwick 2010-2016 to Hinkley 2013-2019. You know, when Richmond was actually s**t. That's a more fair comparison

Richmond

2010 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 2-10 vs top eight (16.7%)
2011 - 0-4 vs top four (0%), 1-9-1 vs top eight (13.6%)
2012 - 2-2 vs top four (50%), 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2013 - 2-3 vs top four (40%) , 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2014 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-2 vs top four (60%), 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2016 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)

Total: vs top four 9/33 (27.3%), vs top eight 17.5/69 (25.4%)

By comparison, in the same time period (seven years):

Port Adelaide

2013 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 2-6 vs top eight (25%)
2014 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 6-7 vs top eight (46.2%)
2016 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)
2017 - 0-5 vs top four (0%) 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2018 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2019 - 1-5 vs top four (16.7%), 3-7 vs top eight (30%)

Total: vs top four 9/38 (23.7%), vs top eight 20/68 (29.4%)

So let's get this straight - in Hinkley's first seven years, even with that bullshit 2016 season, he won just as many games as Hardwick did in his first seven years (but played 5 more matches against top four teams) + won 2.5 more matches than Hardwick against top eight teams playing the same number of games. Both Richmond and Port played finals three times during this period.

The difference? When Richmond dropped out of finals contention in 2016 after playing three finals series in a row, Hardwick knew his list was good enough to win a flag in 2017, because in 2015 they had gone 60% against the top four and 44% against the top eight.

In 2015, we had done something similar (50% against the top four and 46% against the top eight), so when we had our drop off in 2016 it was only natural that we expected to challenge for a flag alongside Richmond. But instead, we went 0% against the top four and 22% against the top eight. That's when we knew we had to start again.

The benchmark is not a shit Richmond you ****ing crackpot.

 

[dirty2]

LOL. Let's pick the three most dominant clubs over the past 13 years to do a comparison against. Up until this year, Geelong has missed finals only once and Richmond and Sydney have missed finals twice - with Sydney being top four 4 times, Richmond being top four 4 times and Geelong being top four a staggering 7 times during this time period.

I've got a better idea - let's compare Hardwick 2010-2016 to Hinkley 2013-2019. You know, when Richmond was actually s**t. That's a more fair comparison

Richmond

2010 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 2-10 vs top eight (16.7%)
2011 - 0-4 vs top four (0%), 1-9-1 vs top eight (13.6%)
2012 - 2-2 vs top four (50%), 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2013 - 2-3 vs top four (40%) , 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2014 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-2 vs top four (60%), 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2016 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)

Total: vs top four 9/33 (27.3%), vs top eight 17.5/69 (25.4%)

By comparison, in the same time period (seven years):

Port Adelaide

2013 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 2-6 vs top eight (25%)
2014 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 6-7 vs top eight (46.2%)
2016 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)
2017 - 0-5 vs top four (0%) 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2018 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2019 - 1-5 vs top four (16.7%), 3-7 vs top eight (30%)

Total: vs top four 9/38 (23.7%), vs top eight 20/68 (29.4%)

So let's get this straight - in Hinkley's first seven years, even with that bullshit 2016 season, he won just as many games as Hardwick did in his first seven years (but played 5 more matches against top four teams) + won 2.5 more matches than Hardwick against top eight teams playing the same number of games. Both Richmond and Port played finals three times during this period.

The difference? When Richmond dropped out of finals contention in 2016 after playing three finals series in a row, Hardwick knew his list was good enough to win a flag in 2017, because in 2015 they had gone 60% against the top four and 44% against the top eight.

In 2015, we had done something similar (50% against the top four and 46% against the top eight), so when we had our drop off in 2016 it was only natural that we expected to challenge for a flag alongside Richmond. But instead, we went 0% against the top four and 22% against the top eight. That's when we knew we had to start again.

And if we had a coach the last 10 years we would of been the same.

 

[Munro88]

Port Adelaide coach Ken Hinkley has made a swift exit from his weekly press conference after being questioned about his future.
With Hinkley again the subject of speculation this week about where he would be in 2023, the 10th-year mentor began motioning to get out of his seat when asked if he still expected to be at the club next season.

He answered “yep” before quickly saying “thank you, have a good day” and leaving.

Hinkley is contracted for 2023 but sliding from consecutive preliminary finals to missing the top eight has ramped up pressure on him.

There have been links to the vacant GWS position and also rumours the Power may consider looking for a new coach in coming weeks.

Port Adelaide, which sits 12th with an 8-11 record, hosts Richmond on Saturday night.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

LOL. Let's pick the three most dominant clubs over the past 13 years to do a comparison against. Up until this year, Geelong has missed finals only once and Richmond and Sydney have missed finals twice - with Sydney being top four 4 times, Richmond being top four 4 times and Geelong being top four a staggering 7 times during this time period.

I've got a better idea - let's compare Hardwick 2010-2016 to Hinkley 2013-2019. You know, when Richmond was actually s**t. That's a more fair comparison

Richmond

2010 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 2-10 vs top eight (16.7%)
2011 - 0-4 vs top four (0%), 1-9-1 vs top eight (13.6%)
2012 - 2-2 vs top four (50%), 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2013 - 2-3 vs top four (40%) , 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2014 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-2 vs top four (60%), 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2016 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)

Total: vs top four 9/33 (27.3%), vs top eight 17.5/69 (25.4%)

By comparison, in the same time period (seven years):

Port Adelaide

2013 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 2-6 vs top eight (25%)
2014 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 6-7 vs top eight (46.2%)
2016 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)
2017 - 0-5 vs top four (0%) 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2018 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2019 - 1-5 vs top four (16.7%), 3-7 vs top eight (30%)

Total: vs top four 9/38 (23.7%), vs top eight 20/68 (29.4%)

So let's get this straight - in Hinkley's first seven years, even with that bullshit 2016 season, he won just as many games as Hardwick did in his first seven years (but played 5 more matches against top four teams) + won 2.5 more matches than Hardwick against top eight teams playing the same number of games. Both Richmond and Port played finals three times during this period.

The difference? When Richmond dropped out of finals contention in 2016 after playing three finals series in a row, Hardwick knew his list was good enough to win a flag in 2017, because in 2015 they had gone 60% against the top four and 44% against the top eight.

In 2015, we had done something similar (50% against the top four and 46% against the top eight), so when we had our drop off in 2016 it was only natural that we expected to challenge for a flag alongside Richmond. But instead, we went 0% against the top four and 22% against the top eight. That's when we knew we had to start again.

Why don't we just compare Ken against Fitzroy 94/95/96. Would be much fairer on Ken that way.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

LOL. Let's pick the three most dominant clubs over the past 13 years to do a comparison against. Up until this year, Geelong has missed finals only once and Richmond and Sydney have missed finals twice - with Sydney being top four 4 times, Richmond being top four 4 times and Geelong being top four a staggering 7 times during this time period.

I've got a better idea - let's compare Hardwick 2010-2016 to Hinkley 2013-2019. You know, when Richmond was actually s**t. That's a more fair comparison

Richmond

2010 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 2-10 vs top eight (16.7%)
2011 - 0-4 vs top four (0%), 1-9-1 vs top eight (13.6%)
2012 - 2-2 vs top four (50%), 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2013 - 2-3 vs top four (40%) , 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2014 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-2 vs top four (60%), 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2016 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)

Total: vs top four 9/33 (27.3%), vs top eight 17.5/69 (25.4%)

By comparison, in the same time period (seven years):

Port Adelaide

2013 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 2-6 vs top eight (25%)
2014 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 6-7 vs top eight (46.2%)
2016 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)
2017 - 0-5 vs top four (0%) 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2018 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2019 - 1-5 vs top four (16.7%), 3-7 vs top eight (30%)

Total: vs top four 9/38 (23.7%), vs top eight 20/68 (29.4%)

So let's get this straight - in Hinkley's first seven years, even with that bullshit 2016 season, he won just as many games as Hardwick did in his first seven years (but played 5 more matches against top four teams) + won 2.5 more matches than Hardwick against top eight teams playing the same number of games. Both Richmond and Port played finals three times during this period.

The difference? When Richmond dropped out of finals contention in 2016 after playing three finals series in a row, Hardwick knew his list was good enough to win a flag in 2017, because in 2015 they had gone 60% against the top four and 44% against the top eight.

In 2015, we had done something similar (50% against the top four and 46% against the top eight), so when we had our drop off in 2016 it was only natural that we expected to challenge for a flag alongside Richmond. But instead, we went 0% against the top four and 22% against the top eight. That's when we knew we had to start again.

So your theory isn’t to compare with our current supposed contemporaries but rather a team from a time prior, who was yet to break into their prime? I just can’t with you to be honest.

 

[RossFC]

Hey Ken thoughts on your future?

Ken:

 

[MrMeaner]

Certainly looks that way but I’m still not getting my hopes up.

Yep. I am treating this like I treat elections: try to not get too hopeful, lest the worst happens.

There is a stench of death though.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

LOL. Let's pick the three most dominant clubs over the past 13 years to do a comparison against. Up until this year, Geelong has missed finals only once and Richmond and Sydney have missed finals twice - with Sydney being top four 4 times, Richmond being top four 4 times and Geelong being top four a staggering 7 times during this time period.

I've got a better idea - let's compare Hardwick 2010-2016 to Hinkley 2013-2019. You know, when Richmond was actually s**t. That's a more fair comparison

Richmond

2010 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 2-10 vs top eight (16.7%)
2011 - 0-4 vs top four (0%), 1-9-1 vs top eight (13.6%)
2012 - 2-2 vs top four (50%), 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2013 - 2-3 vs top four (40%) , 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2014 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-2 vs top four (60%), 4-5 vs top eight (44.4%)
2016 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)

Total: vs top four 9/33 (27.3%), vs top eight 17.5/69 (25.4%)

By comparison, in the same time period (seven years):

Port Adelaide

2013 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 2-6 vs top eight (25%)
2014 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2015 - 3-3 vs top four (50%), 6-7 vs top eight (46.2%)
2016 - 0-5 vs top four (0%), 1-9 vs top eight (10%)
2017 - 0-5 vs top four (0%) 2-7 vs top eight (22.2%)
2018 - 1-4 vs top four (20%), 3-6 vs top eight (33.3%)
2019 - 1-5 vs top four (16.7%), 3-7 vs top eight (30%)

Total: vs top four 9/38 (23.7%), vs top eight 20/68 (29.4%)

So let's get this straight - in Hinkley's first seven years, even with that bullshit 2016 season, he won just as many games as Hardwick did in his first seven years (but played 5 more matches against top four teams) + won 2.5 more matches than Hardwick against top eight teams playing the same number of games. Both Richmond and Port played finals three times during this period.

The difference? When Richmond dropped out of finals contention in 2016 after playing three finals series in a row, Hardwick knew his list was good enough to win a flag in 2017, because in 2015 they had gone 60% against the top four and 44% against the top eight.

In 2015, we had done something similar (50% against the top four and 46% against the top eight), so when we had our drop off in 2016 it was only natural that we expected to challenge for a flag alongside Richmond. But instead, we went 0% against the top four and 22% against the top eight. That's when we knew we had to start again.

Hahahaha.

Richmond got better in a shorter time frame

Port didn't in a longer time frame.

#sackhinkley

 

[RossFC]

1. Who asked Ken the question.
2. Gimme the footage.

 

[bomberclifford]

Why don't we just compare Ken against Fitzroy 94/95/96. Would be much fairer on Ken that way.

Shhhh... you'll give Rucci ideas for another longwinded article.

 

[PepeSilvia]

Wow. Well done

Just so the graphics are consistent can you add the other 10 year coaches together. That will make for a nice clean comparison.

I want to add these to the Ken talking points thread.

Here's the full spreadsheet. I only have the Apple version of Excel at home so have exported to .xlsx – hopefully it hasn't broken anything.

 

[PortWTF]

We exist to be better than Richmond when they were shit.

 

[Sinnthesis]

Ken Hinkley should announce his departure immediately.
Thats what integrity looks like

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Wait is there a chance everyone is reading this wrong?

Did he really leave in response to the question, or was there just a greyhound race starting?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Wait is there a chance everyone is reading this wrong?

Did he really leave in response to the question, or was there just a greyhound race starting?

Plus he can't waste saliva on talking. He needs a nice wet mouth to "prepare the dog".

 

[bomberclifford]

Wait is there a chance everyone is reading this wrong?

Did he really leave in response to the question, or was there just a greyhound race starting?

His pie with sauce was getting cold.