Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[PrisonBars4life]

It's almost like your coach planned contingencies around those injuries instead of using them as excuses.

Fancy this PrisonBars4life fella using Scott freakin Lycett as a reason for losing

I listed 10-12 other names, but sure.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

If you don't want to sack Hinkley, stay out of the sack Hinkley thread. This thread is for sacking Hinkley.

It spills over into literally every other ****ing thread and has done for the past 2 years. If people can post in every game day 'blah, I hope we get pumped by 10 goals so we're 1 game closer to Hinkley getting sacked' I am sure going to post whatever I like here.

You'll of course note that I have on multiple occasions said he is about 99% likely (or should) get sacked this coming year. So I'll take arguments I didn't make for 1000.

 

[Igavemyloveachicken]

Should never have been extended in 2017. That decision when the club blinked was the moment the club confirmed they were happy to exist, happy be competitive without ever being threatening. Every decision since then has compounded the problem. Recruits both players and coaches are not coming to port because of white noise it’s because we are a club going nowhere, stuck where the AFL and sadly our board want us competitive without being a threat.

Should of got sacked at the end of 2016.

 

[Jason K]

I listed 10-12 other names, but sure.

And every post shows you haven't watched the games analytically but instead clap as happy as you can and if we don't win there must be an excuse that we were so hard done by by the footy gods, why do we get so injured, it's not fair, the whole worlds against us.

There is one reason we are shit and it's the same reason we'll be shit next year. It's our head coach.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

The vitriol levelled at him is massively overblown. The deathriding and constant bashing of our players, board, coach, and everything in between is toxic as *. At that point, if people hate everything about the club, why are they even here? It's sad and pathetic.
fully support and endorse: sad, pathetic, unbalanced, neurotic, trumpist, labelling, online thugery

People aren't doing it for a laugh you know.

 

[Triple E]

Injuries aren't an excuse when you lose to ****ing Hawthorn by 10 goals in a match honouring the best ever player of the club.
The inability to design a contingency plan after Dixon got injured during the preseason is an abject coaching failure, no two-ways about it.

And acting like injuries are what kept us from winning a grand final (which was the aim at the beginning of the year) is delusional.

And, how a club can lose the 'fire in the belly', after being blown out by 70 points in a home prelim final, is beyond belief. I think this is the most concerning aspect (although I can't find the quote in an article, so maybe I just heard it somewhere).

 

[Steve Dore]

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fully support and endorse: sad, pathetic, unbalanced, neurotic, trumpist, labelling, online thugery

You fully support and endorse all of those things?

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

I still remember a comment by Dom Cassisi defending Hinkley and basically saying that Chris Scott

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would be under fire if they didn't win a premiership too.

 

[1954]

Injuries aren't an excuse when you lose to ******* Hawthorn by 10 goals in a match honouring the best ever player of the club.
The inability to design a contingency plan after Dixon got injured during the preseason is an abject coaching failure, no two-ways about it.

And acting like injuries are what kept us from winning a grand final (which was the aim at the beginning of the year) is delusional.

And, how a club can lose the 'fire in the belly', after being blown out by 70 points in a home prelim final, is beyond belief. I think this is the most concerning aspect (although I can't find the quote in an article, so maybe I just heard it somewhere).

Jonas's `we lacked fire in the belly' comment would have rung the death knell on his captaincy with the real Port Adelaide of the McLean and Fos/Cahill eras, but quite obviously no captain in their time would have been that f****** stupid.

Woke is not my favourite term, but htf the PAFC could end up with the wokest campaigner in the history of woke campaigners as its captain, just defies belief!

 

[Tibbs]

....

Hinkley is a mid-tier coach.

Seriously???

So you are happy to leave this club in the hands of a "mid-tier coach?" One who has shown he is incapable of taking the is side to a GF!! And you are then quite content that the club has re-signed this mid-tier coach, while spouting off that we are seeking greatness?

"Mid-tier" and 'greatness" just dont go together. Continuing with mid-tier Hinkley, will only confine us to mid-tier results. No good enough for me.

Seriously mate ... Give it a rest

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Who is doing any of this? Love the club. Love the vast majority of our players. Love our AFLW coaching group. Love Josh Carr coming back.

Simply not going to stand for the spin about the current performance of our AFL coaching team and the deflection of their failures on to the players and fans.

Are you willfully blind?

• Hinkley gets bashed all day, every day.
• The board gets bashed all day every day.
• the team gets bashed all day every day.
• literally every gameday thread on the main board has Port supporters come in and say something like 'we'll probably lose, but that's 1 more loss closer to Hinkley getting sacked'.
• The last 3-4 years has seen a rotating cycle of our best and most loyal players being targeted.
• case in point - after the PF loss last year, Papa G (I think) started a 'I don't think Travis Boak is very good' thread. Plenty of people had Boak retiring years ago. They wanted Wines gone. They thought punting Wingard/ Polec was a mistake when they were 2 of our best players and many other shit takes. There's alot of hindsight heros on here.

Hinkley's our coach next year. The circlejerk on here won't change that. I'd rather he does well than not. I hope the KPIs for his renewal are set extremely high. This place isn't much fun when nuanced criticisms devolve into 'Stinkley, what a shitc9nt'.

I assume you will all get your wish for 2023 and someone like Josh Carr will be coaching. I wonder if we fail to make finals once or twice in his first five years you are calling for his head in the same way.

 

[DaTBird187]

So Donald Trump wants him sacked as well?....

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Are you willfully blind?

• Hinkley gets bashed all day, every day.
• The board gets bashed all day every day.
• the team gets bashed all day every day.
• literally every gameday thread on the main board has Port supporters come in and say something like 'we'll probably lose, but that's 1 more loss closer to Hinkley getting sacked'.
• The last 3-4 years has seen a rotating cycle of our best and most loyal players being targeted.
• case in point - after the PF loss last year, Papa G (I think) started a 'I don't think Travis Boak is very good' thread. Plenty of people had Boak retiring years ago. They wanted Wines gone. They thought punting Wingard/ Polec was a mistake when they were 2 of our best players and many other s**t takes. There's alot of hindsight heros on here.

Hinkley's our coach next year. The circlejerk on here won't change that. I'd rather he does well than not. I hope the KPIs for his renewal are set extremely high. This place isn't much fun when nuanced criticisms devolve into 'Stinkley, what a shitc9nt'.

I assume you will all get your wish for 2023 and someone like Josh Carr will be coaching. I wonder if we fail to make finals once or twice in his first five years you are calling for his head in the same way.

Youre just seeing what you want to see.

Reasonable, logical criticisms are not the same as bashing.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Had to stop reading when someone that calls themselves PrisonBars4Life said

in the same breath will slag off the board who have regenerated the club and being able to provide those resources.

The board's actions don't scream the level of incompetence that plenty of supporters on here suggest.

They are incompetent at upholding the performance standards that define Port Adelaide and at preserving a key piece of our culture and identity.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

Are you willfully blind?

• Hinkley gets bashed all day, every day.
• The board gets bashed all day every day.
• the team gets bashed all day every day.
• literally every gameday thread on the main board has Port supporters come in and say something like 'we'll probably lose, but that's 1 more loss closer to Hinkley getting sacked'.
• The last 3-4 years has seen a rotating cycle of our best and most loyal players being targeted.
• case in point - after the PF loss last year, Papa G (I think) started a 'I don't think Travis Boak is very good' thread. Plenty of people had Boak retiring years ago. They wanted Wines gone. They thought punting Wingard/ Polec was a mistake when they were 2 of our best players and many other s**t takes. There's alot of hindsight heros on here.

Hinkley's our coach next year. The circlejerk on here won't change that. I'd rather he does well than not. I hope the KPIs for his renewal are set extremely high. This place isn't much fun when nuanced criticisms devolve into 'Stinkley, what a shitc9nt'.

I assume you will all get your wish for 2023 and someone like Josh Carr will be coaching. I wonder if we fail to make finals once or twice in his first five years you are calling for his head in the same way.

The sheer fact you hold hope that the boards KPIs for his renewal will be extremely high, shows how far your head has been in the sand, our board talk a big game eg. grand final or bust, but when push comes to shove they do nothing, I have every bit of faith that even if Hinkley shows a glimmer of finals success (not a flag)they will renew him.

 

[TeeKray]

Youre just seeing what you want to see.

Reasonable, logical criticisms are not the same as bashing.

Also, some things deserve relentless criticism.

An example of that would be some loser who doesn't care about the club getting paid an average of about $750k per year across at least 11 years to produce precisely no success.

 

[bringbackbucky]

It breaks my heart to admit it, but we are currently Port by name, not by nature…

PAFC made it to the AFL by being ruthless. A club that continually goes with the ‘safe’ option is no longer PAFC….

Can be turned around, but this club needs Port people with a true Port attitude back in charge. Too many born losers involved at the moment.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

The sheer fact you hold hope that the boards KPIs for his renewal will be extremely high, shows how far your head has been in the sand, our board talk a big game eg. grand final or bust, but when push comes to shove they do nothing, I have every bit of faith that even if Hinkley shows a glimmer of finals success (not a flag)they will renew him.

Well, that's actually nuanced conversation. That would be a disappointing outcome if something like 8th was enough. supporters exerting pressure on the board to stick to their premiership ambitions is completely fair. Calling Hinkley a shit coach when he is not isn't. The reality is no one wanted to coach us at the end of 2012. We were so cucked, we were accepting of Laidley remaining in Victoria while involved with us. The new board/ coach took us from a laughing stock to a team that has challenged for flags, and at worst made us a bog vanilla team. Maybe i've gotten soft in my old age. I acknowledge that there is a grade between premiership coach and total incompetence. Mark Williams doesn't win a flag without what came before him. We might not exist if Hinkley doesn't inspire hope from the 'happy clappers' right away. He's our 2nd most successful coach out of 4 in the AFL era. Pretty damning if he's as bad as you all say he is.

There's a reasonable debate about when Hinkley was passed his used by date. People are taking the piss if they think that was 2016/17. 2018-/19 okay, maybe . 2020/2021, no. 2023 - probably.

 

[TeeKray]

He's our 2nd most successful coach out of 4 in the AFL era. Pretty damning if he's as bad as you all say he is.

LOL!

You don't think Cahill would've managed a couple of prelim losses if he'd been given 11 years instead of 2?

And poor Matty Primus didn't even get 2 full seasons.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

Well, that's actually nuanced conversation. That would be a disappointing outcome if something like 8th was enough. supporters exerting pressure on the board to stick to their premiership ambitions is completely fair. Calling Hinkley a s**t coach when he is not isn't. The reality is no one wanted to coach us at the end of 2012. We were so cucked, we were accepting of Laidley remaining in Victoria while involved with us. The new board/ coach took us from a laughing stock to a team that has challenged for flags, and at worst made us a bog vanilla team. Maybe i've gotten soft in my old age. I acknowledge that there is a grade between premiership coach and total incompetence. Mark Williams doesn't win a flag without what came before him. We might not exist if Hinkley doesn't inspire hope from the 'happy clappers' right away. He's our 2nd most successful coach out of 4 in the AFL era. Pretty damning if he's as bad as you all say he is.

There's a reasonable debate about when Hinkley was passed his used by date. People are taking the piss if they think that was 2016/17. 2018-/19 okay, maybe . 2020/2021, no. 2023 - probably.

Tbh I think he is a rubbish coach, has achieved nothing to brag about outside of a bunch of prelim losses that range from disappointing to diabolical and has shown time and again he has no plan b.

If you compare him to Choco he fails in nearly all areas, so sure if you compare him to the remainder of our coaches he seems better but the absence of success for the others doesn’t make Hinkley a success, it merely makes him the best of a bad bunch. And tbh that’s being incredibly disrespectful to Cahill who built the list Choco inherited and navigated the clubs transition from tinpot local league to the majors.

Ken inherited a list with plenty of talent and has been afforded the ability of three list builds in his time and still hasn’t been able to put together a squad and game plan that achieves the ultimate glory, that smells like failure to me not success.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Well, that's actually nuanced conversation. That would be a disappointing outcome if something like 8th was enough. supporters exerting pressure on the board to stick to their premiership ambitions is completely fair. Calling Hinkley a s**t coach when he is not isn't. The reality is no one wanted to coach us at the end of 2012. We were so cucked, we were accepting of Laidley remaining in Victoria while involved with us. The new board/ coach took us from a laughing stock to a team that has challenged for flags, and at worst made us a bog vanilla team. Maybe i've gotten soft in my old age. I acknowledge that there is a grade between premiership coach and total incompetence. Mark Williams doesn't win a flag without what came before him. We might not exist if Hinkley doesn't inspire hope from the 'happy clappers' right away. He's our 2nd most successful coach out of 4 in the AFL era. Pretty damning if he's as bad as you all say he is.

There's a reasonable debate about when Hinkley was passed his used by date. People are taking the piss if they think that was 2016/17. 2018-/19 okay, maybe . 2020/2021, no. 2023 - probably.

1st Williams 1 flag, 274 games
2nd Cahill 0 flags, 44 games
3rd Primus 0 flags, 47 games
4th Hinkley 0 flags, 156 games

 

[Jason K]

The vitriol levelled at him is massively overblown. The deathriding and constant bashing of our players, board, coach, and everything in between is toxic as *. At that point, if people hate everything about the club, why are they even here? It's sad and pathetic.
fully support and endorse: sad, pathetic, unbalanced, neurotic, trumpist, labelling, online thugery

For a start, people seeing the flaws in the current setup and predicting losses is not "deathriding". I don't think there would be too many posters on here that actually want us to lose.

"fully support and endorse: sad, pathetic, unbalanced, neurotic, trumpist, labelling, online thugery" As poorly as this is written, I believe you are saying is that we should fully support and endorse the club. But why? What is the The Club?

I am Port through and through. I'm fanatical. I supported the club financially through the end years of footy park. I have life long memories at Alberton. As members and supporters, We Are Port Adelaide. Even you (if you're not a troll). So if we had a member elected board that was accountable, then you would be right and we should trust the people in charge, or vote them out.

But the people in charge are not accountable to the members and they are not performing. They are stepping all over our traditions and they pissing all over our name. What else can we do but be "White Noise"?

They tell us we are a vocal minority, whereas every single Port supporter I know wants Hinkley gone. If we we had a member elected board, we would know the truth.

It's actually funny that you used trumpist in your description of us, because you really are asking us to just believe what we are told and not look with our own eyes.

Anyway, back on ignore for you it is.

 

[John the Butcher]

The vitriol levelled at him is massively overblown. The deathriding and constant bashing of our players, board, coach, and everything in between is toxic as *. At that point, if people hate everything about the club, why are they even here? It's sad and pathetic.
fully support and endorse: sad, pathetic, unbalanced, neurotic, trumpist, labelling, online thugery

Sack Hinkley, sack him hard and fast. Sack sack Hinklely sackity sack

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Also, some things deserve relentless criticism.

An example of that would be some loser who doesn't care about the club getting paid an average of about $750k per year across at least 11 years to produce precisely no success.

How many clubs have won flags in the past 11 years?

How do you define success? If it's a flag, at 36 years old, and assuming average success, I will be lucky to see 3 flags for the rest of my life (most likely 2). I might as well give it away if by your definition we suck for the overwhelming majority of the rest of my life.

Where are you getting he doesn't care from? In the 2018 draft he put his job on the line when he moved on senior players for draftees for the long-term benefit of the club. I'm watching the Rioli trade closely as to what we give up. If we overpay that would put a bit of a sour taste in the mouth.

'some loser' - he has an above average home and away record with a (marginally) above average record in finals.

The histrionics don't match reality. He's a mid-tier/ average coach. His knack for getting an upswing when he was vulnerable and his relationship with the players (and therefore concerns about an exodus) has kept him in the system longer than perhaps his performance deserves, but what you are saying is total crap.

You all sound like Essendon ****wits. Clarkson was never coming here (and he might not be going anywhere yet). No one has ever advanced a name other than Clarkson who wasn't a Port man. You all wanted Dew, he hasn't set the world on fire. You want Schofield/ Carr. Neither are terrible options, but insular ones. The criticism of Hinkley and how overblown it is smacks of 'he's an outsider, he's not one of us'. That's the exact kind of thinking that has destroyed Essendon. People keep on wanting to point to history and 'no coach has survived x years without a GF'. History tells us that stability wins flags. Clarkson finished bottom 4 in his first 2 seasons. Richmond were mediocre and yoyoed up and down the ladder ... until they won. Melbourne the same. Meanwhile clubs that have chopped and changed their coaches have been a disaster. Essendon and Carlton being the standouts. They weren't made better sides by bringing in high profile coaches. They have destroyed themselves not having a long-term plan. If Carr or Schofield end up coach just watch the goalposts move. You won't be calling for their heads if we make the finals 3 times in their first 5 years. Our list is amazing, and we are grossly underperforming under Hinkley I hear. How long before I can expect a flag with him gone? Should be easy right? It's flag or everyone is shit right?

 

[Jason K]

Where are you getting he doesn't care from? In the 2018 draft he put his job on the line when he moved on senior players for draftees for the long-term benefit of the club.

Revisionist much?