Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[Enviable Tradition]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the playing group elect the captain, since they want him to be their representative on the field?

If so, the election of Jonas as captain tells you more about the mentality of the playing group than anything else. If Jonas doesn't give a s**t like you believe, it means the playing group as a collective doesn't give a s**t. Appointing a different captain won't suddenly make them all care.

Personally, I think Jonas is fine as a captain.

Unless a coach who cares over rules them and picks a captain who cares.

 

[SpaceCoyote]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the playing group elect the captain, since they want him to be their representative on the field?

If so, the election of Jonas as captain tells you more about the mentality of the playing group than anything else. If Jonas doesn't give a s**t like you believe, it means the playing group as a collective doesn't give a s**t. Appointing a different captain won't suddenly make them all care.

Personally, I think Jonas is fine as a captain.

Maybe the players voted for one particular captain, the coach overrules and appoints another?

 

[johnnysix]

Tough call, but I had to give it a like as I strongly suspect there would be quite a few players from our golden era(s) who would have trouble believing any one with the skill level of TJ would have even been considered by Fos Williams or Jack Cahill as captaincy material.

Surely not being seen fit to be captain by legends of football and MEDIOCRE dude that isn't particularly good at ANYTHING are pretty far apart? I mean... How high is somebody's standards if they describe somebody who can get themselves drafted into an AFL team like that? Also do you think there's a stat for 'privilege' kept by Champion Data? Is it something they measure at the draft combine?

 

[simba_]

i feel like the current AFL has a lot of average footy players but good athletes out there precisely because they have rich dads

 

[Power Plus]

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

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[Janus]

Unless a coach who cares over rules them and picks a captain who cares.

But then what's the point? That makes sense if you want to appoint a young player that will grow with the team and into a leader, like how we appointed Boak in 2013 because you know that your senior players aren't going to be around much longer, but it's like the old saying - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Well, you can appoint a better captain but if the players didn't want it, they aren't going to respond the way that you want.

 

[TeeKray]

In the end you can argue whatever you want but this regime has had its time.

Koch is in his 11th year as Chairman.

Hinkley is in his 11th year as senior coach.

Jonas is in his 13th year as a player and 5th year as captain.

None of them have ever been involved in success at Port Adelaide and none of them ever will be. Time to move on and give someone else a go.

 

[GoPorts]

Unless a coach who cares over rules them and picks a captain who cares.

Or two captains. For reasons

 

[Alberton Proud]

There's stale, and then there's Port Adelaide

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[Us against the rest]

Omg, the won't give up, received another text from the club.

 

[edgie]

We exist to be in contention to make finals with about six weeks of footy left in the season

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[TimTime]

Blight on radio saying that “he knows” that a VIC based team spoke to Ken about a coaching vacancy at the end of last year.

He’s got no intention of leaving and Colonel Kock doesn’t have the kahunas to sack him….

August is going to consist of Kock begging Hinkley to leave/quit, Ken will write a new contract did 5 yrs @ $1m per season & Col. Kock will sign it…

 

[snozulu]

Omg, the won't give up, received another text from the club.

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me too again today lol

 

[tribey]

If Jonas doesn't give a s**t like you believe, it means the playing group as a collective doesn't give a s**t.

“There’s more important things in life than footy”

— Hinkley​

“I don’t want my life to be defined by football”

— Boak​

“[2021] was still a successful year in terms of win/loss”

— Wines​

“We're not the sharpest tools in the shed, us footballers. We like to get out there and chase the footy and have a bit of fun ... and when it comes to game time, you just go about your business. You could say at times we have the memory of a goldfish."

— Jonas​

Appointing a different captain won't suddenly make them all care.

Not in this group, no.

 

[PowerLil]

Blight on radio saying that “he knows” that a VIC based team spoke to Ken about a coaching vacancy at the end of last year.

He’s got no intention of leaving and Colonel Kock doesn’t have the kahunas to sack him….

August is going to consist of Kock begging Hinkley to leave/quit, Ken will write a new contract did 5 yrs @ $1m per season & Col. Kock will sign it…

Why doesn't he just * off?

 

[tribey]

Why doesn't he just * off?

Saw one of our Facebook Fans™ calling for patience and calm, ‘don’t worry, the players will be playing for Kenny to get a new contract’, etc.

Couldn’t possibly give Camperdown Christ a send-off after 11 seasons.

Blessed be Him untoforth dishlickers forever and ever, amen.

 

[Jojay]

Blight on radio saying that “he knows” that a VIC based team spoke to Ken about a coaching vacancy at the end of last year.

He’s got no intention of leaving and Colonel Kock doesn’t have the kahunas to sack him….

August is going to consist of Kock begging Hinkley to leave/quit, Ken will write a new contract did 5 yrs @ $1m per season & Col. Kock will sign it…

Blight will say anything to keep his protégé in the job.

 

[Powertron]

Blight on radio saying that “he knows” that a VIC based team spoke to Ken about a coaching vacancy at the end of last year.

He’s got no intention of leaving and Colonel Kock doesn’t have the kahunas to sack him….

August is going to consist of Kock begging Hinkley to leave/quit, Ken will write a new contract did 5 yrs @ $1m per season & Col. Kock will sign it…

They probably did. I imagine StKilda and Essendon both would have explored all options including Ken. Unless they offered him massive $$ and not to have to go through any process there is no way he would have even looked at it.

Ken doesn't like scrutiny or "external" pressure at all but he won't walk away from the role. I expect a Mark Neald-like twitch to start developing by the break and all media appearances to be handed over to the assistants as part of their "development".

 

[tribey]

Blight will say anything to keep his protégé in the job.

Quick recap on the theme:

• Gerard Whateley: Geelong-mad youth when Hinks was in his pomp

• Ross Lyon: former teammate

• Malcolm Blight: coached him, gave him his first AFL assistant’s job at the Saints

• Graham Cornes: one son is an assistant under him, other son was rescued after things looked decidedly hairy under Evil Mattress

• Dwayne Russell: former teammate

• Michelangelo Rucci: embedded with the club, won’t say anything silly to cost himself the sort of ‘ignore the velvet rope’ access he could’ve only wished for under Jack and Choc

 

[TimTime]

Why doesn't he just * off?

My theory is he hates us and the longer he stays the more it pi… us off. He enjoys pushing our buttons..

 

[bacharach]

Blight on radio saying that “he knows” that a VIC based team spoke to Ken about a coaching vacancy at the end of last year.

He’s got no intention of leaving and Colonel Kock doesn’t have the kahunas to sack him….

August is going to consist of Kock begging Hinkley to leave/quit, Ken will write a new contract did 5 yrs @ $1m per season & Col. Kock will sign it…

I call bullshit on Blight, unless it was North when Clarksons future was in the air. I don't see any other club or board being that negligent.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Something about that screams Gilligan’s Island?

Hinkley is like when the answer to the eternal debate about Ginger vs Mary Ann turns out to be Mrs Howell.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the playing group elect the captain, since they want him to be their representative on the field?

If so, the election of Jonas as captain tells you more about the mentality of the playing group than anything else. If Jonas doesn't give a s**t like you believe, it means the playing group as a collective doesn't give a s**t. Appointing a different captain won't suddenly make them all care.

Personally, I think Jonas is fine as a captain.

This isn't how leadership works.

The players are a group who like any group have group norms that dictate their conduct and the development of their values. The leaders in the group, both formal in informal, are enormous in setting the tone.

7-8 years of being in an environment where winning doesn't really matter has made us soft, but don't think for a second that a genuinely hard nosed leader or two couldn't turn the entire group around very quickly.

Jonas is a perfectly fine captain for a Ken Hinkley football team, but not for a team that wants to be successful. Jonas was a much harder edged player in Hinkley's early years when Hinkley was still setting a tone that winning was crucial. He's softened up as his coach has softened up and ultimately he's a pretty good intercept marker who doesn't have the drive to win premierships. He could have the drive if he had more driven leaders above him, but he doesn't generate that drive himself.

Look at the personalities surrounding the leaders of dynasty sports teams. Belichick/Brady. Clarkson/Hodge. Ferguson/Keane. Jackson/Jordan. Popovich/Duncan. Hinkley/Jonas just do not have the drive, and they're setting the tone for the rest of the playing group.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Quick recap on the theme:

• Gerard Whateley: Geelong-mad youth when Hinks was in his pomp

• Ross Lyon: former teammate

• Malcolm Blight: coached him, gave him his first AFL assistant’s job at the Saints

• Graham Cornes: one son is an assistant under him, other son was rescued after things looked decidedly hairy under Evil Mattress

• Dwayne Russell: former teammate

• Michelangelo Rucci: embedded with the club, won’t say anything silly to cost himself the sort of ‘ignore the velvet rope’ access he could’ve only wished for under Jack and Choc

You wonder how fair the interview process actually was.