Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[Portmagpies36]

He is completely delusional. I have been to numerous training sessions & the internal trial. Being able to attend open training sessions has been great & I really appreciate what the club does. But it gives me a good idea of where we are at. Unfortunately I wasn't overly impressed as nothing much has changed. Our 2 high profile recruits will help. However, our ruck situation is tragic, our lack of marking talls is tragic & our gameplan is horribly inefficient. The lack of intensity at the internal trial was very concerning & our performance in the 2 trial games reflected the lead up. For my own sanity I have put $150 on Port to miss the 8 at $2.40. Unsurprisingly the odds have since declined as people summarise our pre-season. If we don't fire up for the home Showdown & play 4 qrts of committed football we will lose it & I will be surprised if we beat the Lions as they are in much better form.

Enjoy your winnings!

 

[Steve Dore]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the playing group elect the captain, since they want him to be their representative on the field?

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You probably aren't wrong and that appears to be a big part of the problem. Maybe if someone was appointed to actually lead the team rather than have a popularity contest for a representative we may have a better leader.

We've all seen what happened when Hinkley selected Wines and the players voted for Jonas.

 

[Steve Dore]

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It's like deja vu all over again

 

[MrPlow]

 

[El_Scorcho]

Omg, the won't give up, received another text from the club.

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Anyone who thinks for second that they aren't sweating about membership revenue is kidding themselves. The drop in membership has clearly been significant. The membership tally they give is completely meaningless. The important number is revenue.

 

[tribey]

This isn't how leadership works.

The players are a group who like any group have group norms that dictate their conduct and the development of their values. The leaders in the group, both formal in informal, are enormous in setting the tone.

7-8 years of being in an environment where winning doesn't really matter has made us soft, but don't think for a second that a genuinely hard nosed leader or two couldn't turn the entire group around very quickly.

Jonas is a perfectly fine captain for a Ken Hinkley football team, but not for a team that wants to be successful. Jonas was a much harder edged player in Hinkley's early years when Hinkley was still setting a tone that winning was crucial. He's softened up as his coach has softened up and ultimately he's a pretty good intercept marker who doesn't have the drive to win premierships. He could have the drive if he had more driven leaders above him, but he doesn't generate that drive himself.

Look at the personalities surrounding the leaders of dynasty sports teams. Belichick/Brady. Clarkson/Hodge. Ferguson/Keane. Jackson/Jordan. Popovich/Duncan. Hinkley/Jonas just do not have the drive, and they're setting the tone for the rest of the playing group.

And at the opposite end, consider the ridicule Clarkson and Malthouse came in for when they named Richie Vandenberg and Nick Maxwell captains, respectively.

Vandenberg was limited as a footballer, but was beloved by the old Hawks mafia for being an old school combatant who got absolutely everything out of himself. Brereton in particular was effusive in his praise of the decision, feeling he could lead by example and help establish a gritty culture for the likes of Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Franklin, Sewell and Roughead coming through as they endured a year or three of pain on the journey to 50-75 games.

Malthouse appointed Maxwell to replace Buckley for similar reasons. Lived and breathed footy. Always gave it absolutely everything, and was seen as the logical successor to Buckley for those reasons, even though their talent disparity was obviously light years apart.

Jonas started off in a similar vein. Unheralded, off a rookie list. And wasn’t afraid to knuckle down and play on the edge when required.

But at some stage he also seems to have been swept up in the ‘friendly-matey-ah-well-it’s-only-a-game-can’t-wait-to-do-literally-anything-else’ culture that the coach and many of his fellow veterans proudly speak of on a regular basis.

Which is fine, I guess?

Most Glenelg and St Kilda players seem to speak rather fondly of their playing days.

 

[Handyandy]

The negativity and pessimism on this board is overwhelming & very depressing particularly when entering a new season/ war. The insidious nature of such division & dissent can become a self fulfilling prophecy & is why the British navy used to keel haul people.

 

[Handyandy]

I remember the Jonas who used to lay dudes out cold and get games for it. Now he is captain he has lost his edge

 

[tribey]

The negativity and pessimism on this board is overwhelming & very depressing particularly when entering a new season/ war. The insidious nature of such division & dissent can become a self fulfilling prophecy & is why the British navy used to keel haul people.

Don’t worry, we’re still just a vocal minority of white noise. There are still legions of sycophants and enablers prepared to pump up Kenny and Kochie’s tyres for no apparent reason.

 

[Del165198]

Keelhaul hinkley

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The negativity and pessimism on this board is overwhelming & very depressing particularly when entering a new season/ war. The insidious nature of such division & dissent can become a self fulfilling prophecy & is why the British navy used to keel haul people.

You're so right.

It's the fans that are the problem.

We should be more like Richmond, Melbourne and Geelong fans who never criticise their coach prior to their flag success...

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[Willsy10]

I remember the Jonas who used to lay dudes out cold and get games for it. Now he is captain he has lost his edge

You want him to knock players out and get suspended?


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[Del165198]

You want him to knock players out and get suspended?


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He wants Jonas to bash them

 

[tribey]

Him checking little Lukey Dahlhaus in Ballarat and Robbo castigating him like he’d coward punched a small boy was incredible.

The same Robbo who gave an impassioned defence of “Jordy” Lewis after he broke Cripps’ jaw.

 

[Handyandy]

You're so right.

It's the fans that are the problem.

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I look at it in military terms. Even if you don’t like your general and his lieutenants you get behind them on the eve of battle or you will be all be slaughtered on the battlefield.
There are processes to address your grievances & this will be Hinkleys last year at ports. A simple drop in memberships/ revenue will do it.

 

[dirty2]

I look at it in military terms. Even if you don’t like your general and his lieutenants you get behind them on the eve of battle or you will be all be slaughtered on the battlefield.
There are processes to address your grievances & this will be Hinkleys last year at ports. A simple drop in memberships/ revenue will do it.

Or if we are on a pirate ship we make the captain and first mate walk the plank

 

[Handyandy]

And your enemies will exploit such divisions, I imagine the crows supporters are belting off when they read this thread.

 

[Chewy316]

Essendon bobbed up late for Ken last year. Not sure if he was offered a deal but it was certainly intimated that the job was his if he went through the "process."

By then though it was very late in the off season and he had already given his word to the players at Port that he wasn't going anywhere and would be their senior coach for 2023.

 

[Powerade 08]

Essendon bobbed up late for Ken last year. Not sure if he was offered a deal but it was certainly intimated that the job was his if he went through the "process."

By then though it was very late in the off season and he had already given his word to the players at Port that he wasn't going anywhere and would be their senior coach for 2023.

Keninkly honest guy

 

[MrPlow]

Non of u r true believers. Hinckley is our coach he is tryingg his best. Remeber the tarps?
Either get behind our club or go support the crows

 

[Long live PAFC]

I’ll back Port and Hinkley through the season until we can’t win the flag, ie top four is gone. (And yes, I appreciate the history suggests Hinkley already can’t win the flag!)

I’m not a fan of death riding the club or hoping for failure, kills the enjoyment of footy season.


Once the season is done, either through a flag or failure, then I’ll jump back on the ‘fire them all’ band wagon.

 

[Doctor Feel]

 

[TeeKray]

Essendon bobbed up late for Ken last year. Not sure if he was offered a deal but it was certainly intimated that the job was his if he went through the "process."

By then though it was very late in the off season and he had already given his word to the players at Port that he wasn't going anywhere and would be their senior coach for 2023.

If he were offered a deal he would've been out of Port in a heartbeat. He's stupid but he's not that stupid.

 

[bomberclifford]

You want him to knock players out and get suspended?

Yes.

 

[PatientMental]

You want him to knock players out and get suspended?


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You don't?

Bugger the premiership fund, I want a 'jonas kos someone new' fund