Opinion Sack Hinkley 9 - I Am Become Donuts, Destroyer Of Ports

[longdonkey]

It’s legit. Had it confirmed by a few staff members over the years.

I can imagine Ken and Jordan over dinner. That Janus guy really told those white noise dickheads do you think I could use him as an analyst Dad. No Rooch is too busy re-writing the history of the club Jordan. You know I think we're going to have to shoot Bessie she's just too slow and the pet shop are getting suspicious about the number of bunnies I've bought this month.

 

[GoPorts]

It wasn't any of Davies/Cornes etc. who sent the text, but I know they review what is posted here and if anyone down the chain has leaked anything they get told.

Chad gets upset at people stepping on his turf.
Leaking stuff to the press is his job

 

[longdonkey]

All the talk about Jordan I was looking into Champion Data because I'm really surprised how AFL is amateur hour when it comes to data and analytics.

Most of the Champion Data guys have no background in data or statistics they are guys who have got jobs as "callers" and have risen in the company to higher positions. I personally think a lot of their analysis is a load of crap.

You'll find the guys who know what they are doing are working for Bet 365 and Ladbrokes and the others.

 

[Papa G]

All the talk about Jordan I was looking into Champion Data because I'm really surprised how AFL is amateur hour when it comes to data and analytics.

Most of the Champion Data guys have no background in data or statistics they are guys who have got jobs as "callers" and have risen in the company to higher positions. I personally think a lot of their analysis is a load of crap.

You'll find the guys who know what they are doing are working for Bet 365 and Ladbrokes and the others.

How are you surprised that anything the AFL does is amateur hour? Look at how the whole thing has evolved. No less than 40 years ago high level football was nothing more than what country leagues are but simply on a bigger scale. Television money, pseudo corporate governance, stealing ideas from overseas sports that are light years ahead, and boys club wankdom has got us to this point. The "footy industry" is nothing more a bunch of circle jerking Malbun bellends protecting their own little patch of mediocrity.

 

[longdonkey]

How are you surprised that anything the AFL does is amateur hour? Look at how the whole thing has evolved. No less than 40 years ago high level football was nothing more than what country leagues are but simply on a bigger scale. Television money, pseudo corporate governance, stealing ideas from overseas sports that are light years ahead, and boys club wankdom has got us to this point. The "footy industry" is nothing more a bunch of circle jerking Malbun bellends protecting their own little patch of mediocrity.

Well its a billion dollar industry and just between you and me the Australian Bureau of Statistics goes cap in hand to business charging whatever they can, for whatever data that they can flog off, to whoever will pay, due to the fact that the government (certainly the last one) seems to be reluctant to fund government institutions.

Point I'm making is you'd think that an industry that is flush with money like the AFL might drive higher standards. As we sit here complaining about a car salesman who's been fleecing us for years.

Your point is certainly well made.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Look on the bright side, fellas. He might still be here for a further two years, but at least in the short-term he’s staying on the bench with Carr and Bassett in command of the matchday nerve centre,

While we have this guy, who took Bacchus Marsh to the lofty heights of 8th in the Ballarat Netball Football League, coming in as development coach for 2024 and beyond.

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— Jason Williams​

• Scary.
• Empathy.
• Love.

If that doesn’t scream ‘Port Adelaide Football Club!’ to you, either quit living in the past or go and support the bloody tingles!

 

[PA88]

I've seen this a few times and the idea that anybody paid at the club reads any of the nonsense that I post on here is the most absurdly ridiculous thing I've ever heard of lol

The club has repeatedly dismissed supporter views as "white noise" so why are they wasting their time reading a supporter forum?

If anyone from the club with any influence is actually reading this forum then they're even bigger losers than I thought.

Groups of BF posters were invited for a meet and discussion with KT and Davies back at the season's end of 2017. That was due to comments by posters.

The former president contacted individuals about comments made on another forum.

I don't know if the club bothers to keep a tab on BF anymore but they've taken notice of comments in the past.

 

[TazD]

All the talk about Jordan I was looking into Champion Data because I'm really surprised how AFL is amateur hour when it comes to data and analytics.

Most of the Champion Data guys have no background in data or statistics they are guys who have got jobs as "callers" and have risen in the company to higher positions. I personally think a lot of their analysis is a load of crap.

You'll find the guys who know what they are doing are working for Bet 365 and Ladbrokes and the others.

The place self reports as having 300+ staff. I'm 100% certain they have some data and stats people working behind the scenes.

 

[Papa G]

My cousin used to be a GM at the club. She was very much aware of bigfooty.

 

[pstew2dstew]

My cousin used to be a GM at the club. She was very much aware of bigfooty.

Lol I can only imagine what they think when they read some of the posts here

 

[Macca19]

It's no surprise that players and coaches read bigfooty. Some people are just footyheads like the rest of us who can't get enough, and this board gives us something we can't really get elsewhere.

But if they post, they clearly don't believe in Hinkley any more than we do, because I don't remember the last time I read a needle-moving post defending Hinkley and his regime. Sure, there's plenty of "get behind the boys" posts, plenty of "nobody credits Ken when we win" and then Janus's stuff where he completely sidesteps the coaching situation to besmirch the players and make excuses, but not a single genuine and insightful Hinkley defence.

Ive literally seen Boak scrolling bigfooty reading about 400 posts in the fame thread on a plane after an away game once

 

[EskimoPAFC]

I did find it interesting when Dwayne used "Mac and Cheese" in commentary.

Am I wrong in thinking that's a BigFooty thing?

 

[TazD]

Ive literally seen Boak scrolling bigfooty reading about 400 posts in the fame thread on a plane after an away game once

Papa G is actually a Boak burner account

 

[Steve Dore]

I remember Chris Davies posting on here some years back. He lasted about a week. Portman1 or something.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Papa G is actually a Boak burner account

Why is this so believable

 

[Janus]

Champion Data does analytics for what AFL coaches want to be statistically measured, based on the previous decade of premiership teams. For example, pressure acts weren’t even a thing before 2014, until coaches requested a measure of implied pressure that was on the other side of clangers and disposal efficiency.

Football media must get better at deciphering Champion Data's numbers for the game's fans

Instead of looking to impress their mates, those in football media must do better at analysing the game in a way the general public can understand, writes Rohan Connolly.

www.espn.com.au

This was from the last week in July, but it even gives a percentage of how relevant each stat is to overall success. For example, Score per Inside 50 was only a Top-6 metric for 6 of the last 10 premiers.

100% stats:

Points Against - 11th
Points Against from Turnovers - 10th
Opposition Points from the Forward Half - 9th
Defensive to Forward 50 Transition - 3rd
Inside 50 Differential - 3rd
Time in Forward Half Differential - 1st

90% stats:

Opposition Score per Inside 50 - 9th
Points from Turnovers Differential - 6th
Chain to Score % - Against - 7th

80% stats:

Points from Turnovers - 4th
Points from Stoppages Differential - 2nd
Points from Forward Half - 1st

70% stats:

Opposition Points from Defensive Half - 13th
Post Clearance Contested Possession Differential - 9th

60% stats:

Scores per Inside 50 - 5th
Points Against from Stoppages - 12th

Can't find any more without actually subscribing to Champion Data, but I did find this:




If we had another intercept defender to help Aliir (3.2 per game) in the mold of a Lever (2.9 per game, equal with May), Payne (2.4 per game vs Andrews' 3.4 per game) or Murphy (2.4 per game vs Moore's 3.4 per game), then we'd be up at the same level as Melbourne and Brisbane with all those stats. Add Grundy and it would be even better.

Our next best intercept defender is Trent McKenzie

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Trent Mckenzie

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

305.7

4star

D

12.1

3star

K

10.6

4star

HB

1.6

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.1

2star

MG

290.6

4star

D

16.8

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.8

5star

with 1.9 per game, which is worse than Zerk-Thatcher (2.2 per game) and Ratugolea (2.8 per game).

 

[El_Scorcho]

Ive literally seen Boak scrolling bigfooty reading about 400 posts in the fame thread on a plane after an away game once

Jesus Christ Boaky don't read the game thread . The review thread will at least be a bit measured with some time for reflection, the game thread is unfiltered lunacy

 

[Doctor Feel]

Jesus Christ Boaky don't read the game thread . The review thread will at least be a bit measured with some time for reflection, the game thread is unfiltered lunacy

The best threads on here are unfiltered lunacy.

 

[longdonkey]

Champion Data does analytics for what AFL coaches want to be statistically measured, based on the previous decade of premiership teams. For example, pressure acts weren’t even a thing before 2014, until coaches requested a measure of implied pressure that was on the other side of clangers and disposal efficiency.

Football media must get better at deciphering Champion Data's numbers for the game's fans

Instead of looking to impress their mates, those in football media must do better at analysing the game in a way the general public can understand, writes Rohan Connolly.

www.espn.com.au

View attachment 1789895

This was from the last week in July, but it even gives a percentage of how relevant each stat is to overall success. For example, Score per Inside 50 was only a Top-6 metric for 6 of the last 10 premiers.

100% stats:

Points Against - 11th
Points Against from Turnovers - 10th
Opposition Points from the Forward Half - 9th
Defensive to Forward 50 Transition - 3rd
Inside 50 Differential - 3rd
Time in Forward Half Differential - 1st

90% stats:

Opposition Score per Inside 50 - 9th
Points from Turnovers Differential - 6th
Chain to Score % - Against - 7th

80% stats:

Points from Turnovers - 4th
Points from Stoppages Differential - 2nd
Points from Forward Half - 1st

70% stats:

Opposition Points from Defensive Half - 13th
Post Clearance Contested Possession Differential - 9th

60% stats:

Scores per Inside 50 - 5th
Points Against from Stoppages - 12th

Can't find any more without actually subscribing to Champion Data, but I did find this:

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If we had another intercept defender to help Aliir (3.2 per game) in the mold of a Lever (2.9 per game, equal with May), Payne (2.4 per game vs Andrews' 3.4 per game) or Murphy (2.4 per game vs Moore's 3.4 per game), then we'd be up at the same level as Melbourne and Brisbane with all those stats. Add Grundy and it would be even better.

Our next best intercept defender is Trent McKenzie with 1.9 per game, which is worse than Zerk-Thatcher (2.2 per game) and Ratugolea (2.8 per game).

OK here you go again - attacking the question from a results point of view.

Ask yourself this question. What is a pressure act ? What is a clanger?- How is the data point determined?
Until you know that any results are meaningless.

Why is Top 6 or Bottom 6 a thing is it just convenient because there are 18 teams and you can group them high, middle and low?
And therefore if you are 7th you are being construed as being 33% less effective than if you are 6th.

This is the reason why I think analysis is somewhat useless because even when Daniel Hoyne does his wrap up on SEN what does it really mean and he is now starting to talk about what he sees. I don't care what he sees I want solid data. I'm interested in what Healy and Cornes sees

 

[El_Scorcho]

The best threads on here are unfiltered lunacy.

I like my lunacy mildly filtered through 5 minutes of reflection.

The GameDay threads are full of people at their most anxious, frustrated worst, and that's across every GameDay thread on every forum of every team of every sport.

 

[Janus]

OK here you go again - attacking the question from a results point of view.

Ask yourself this question. What is a pressure act ? What is a clanger?- How is the data point determined?
Until you know that any results are meaningless.

Physical > Closing/Chasing > Coralling

Glossary – AFL – Champion Data

www.championdata.com

Why is Top 6 or Bottom 6 a thing is it just convenient because there are 18 teams and you can group them high, middle and low?
And therefore if you are 7th you are being construed as being 33% less effective than if you are 6th.

It's based on the fact that the previous decade of premiers ranked top 6 for those stats in some form or another. They didn't just pick those stats out of a hat. They even give you the number of teams that were top six in those particular categories as a percentage.

If Collingwood or Port wins the flag this year, they will give less weight to some of the stats and more weight to others. You have to remember that they only started tracking most of these stats for the past 10 years so it's not going to be exact...but it's better than nothing.

This is the reason why I think analysis is somewhat useless because even when Daniel Hoyne does his wrap up on SEN what does it really mean and he is now starting to talk about what he sees. I don't care what he sees I want solid data. I'm interested in what Healy and Cornes sees

No one has ever said it's the be all and end all. At the end of the day, analytics should only be one aspect of the total sum of what is listened to in order to make a decision.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Champion Data does analytics for what AFL coaches want to be statistically measured, based on the previous decade of premiership teams. For example, pressure acts weren’t even a thing before 2014, until coaches requested a measure of implied pressure that was on the other side of clangers and disposal efficiency.

Football media must get better at deciphering Champion Data's numbers for the game's fans

Instead of looking to impress their mates, those in football media must do better at analysing the game in a way the general public can understand, writes Rohan Connolly.

www.espn.com.au

View attachment 1789895

This was from the last week in July, but it even gives a percentage of how relevant each stat is to overall success. For example, Score per Inside 50 was only a Top-6 metric for 6 of the last 10 premiers.

100% stats:

Points Against - 11th
Points Against from Turnovers - 10th
Opposition Points from the Forward Half - 9th
Defensive to Forward 50 Transition - 3rd
Inside 50 Differential - 3rd
Time in Forward Half Differential - 1st

90% stats:

Opposition Score per Inside 50 - 9th
Points from Turnovers Differential - 6th
Chain to Score % - Against - 7th

80% stats:

Points from Turnovers - 4th
Points from Stoppages Differential - 2nd
Points from Forward Half - 1st

70% stats:

Opposition Points from Defensive Half - 13th
Post Clearance Contested Possession Differential - 9th

60% stats:

Scores per Inside 50 - 5th
Points Against from Stoppages - 12th

Can't find any more without actually subscribing to Champion Data, but I did find this:

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If we had another intercept defender to help Aliir (3.2 per game) in the mold of a Lever (2.9 per game, equal with May), Payne (2.4 per game vs Andrews' 3.4 per game) or Murphy (2.4 per game vs Moore's 3.4 per game), then we'd be up at the same level as Melbourne and Brisbane with all those stats. Add Grundy and it would be even better.

Our next best intercept defender is Trent McKenzie with 1.9 per game, which is worse than Zerk-Thatcher (2.2 per game) and Ratugolea (2.8 per game).

A lot of our grey and red stats here are basically just because of our gameplan. We play a very high, hard press, which is also the reason for most of our green stats.

The only really concerning stats are points against. It'd be nice if the press held up more often, but again we've sacrificed some defence for better rebound this year which most would agree is for the best.

Even points against from stoppages doesn't really matter in the context that we're 2nd for the differential in that stat, which suggests we believe in the quality of our clearance work enough that we'll happily play aggressively at stoppages, and it pays off overall.

Interesting to see the comparison, but it doesn't make me any more or less confident about our chances.

 

[Janey]

The best threads on here are unfiltered lunacy.

If I've been at the game I always check out the gameday thread later. It's hilarious reading all the hysterical doom and gloom posts when we went on to win by 60 points.

 

[Janus]

A lot of our grey and red stats here are basically just because of our gameplan. We play a very high, hard press, which is also the reason for most of our green stats.

The only really concerning stats are points against. It'd be nice if the press held up more often, but again we've sacrificed some defence for better rebound this year which most would agree is for the best.

Even points against from stoppages doesn't really matter in the context that we're 2nd for the differential in that stat, which suggests we believe in the quality of our clearance work enough that we'll happily play aggressively at stoppages, and it pays off overall.

Interesting to see the comparison, but it doesn't make me any more or less confident about our chances.

Champion Data says our stoppage work is far and away our biggest asset going into September. We are No. 2 for scoring from a clearance in the forward 50, and No. 1 for scoring from a centre clearance.

I've thought that if we are going to win the flag, it's going to be on the back of Butters, Rozee and Horne-Francis just going ape-shit for 3-4 games. It's one of the reasons why I'm all for going for a combination of Grundy + Zerk-Thatcher over missing out on Grundy and getting a better key defender to help Aliir like McKay. Ratugolea would be nice but not for the sort of coin Hawthorn is throwing at him.

 

[Doctor Feel]

"Implied pressure acts" is the funniest name. I bet Jed is the king of it.