Snoops Annual List Strategy incl Trade & DRAFT targets

[Maggie5]

He can comfortably play either. If Elliott is our #1 small forward, he'd be fine as a secondary crumbing type forward. But yeah he excels in the midfield. Good mix of inside and outside ability, hardness at the contest a real feature, chases and tackles strongly, good skills, reasonably fast. Will be the wingman we've missed since Daisy stuffed his ankle.

Seriously, Anderson is a bigger priority than Aish IMO.

Saw him play really well in the pre-season games and thought he would have been a regular in their senior team.
A real goer not sure why he wasn't but wouldn't mind taking a chance on him.

 

[sr36]

I agree. His speed is something we lack. I would comfortably give up a pick in the 20's for him. DOubt we get him though.

I haven't seen him play, but I'm sceptical.

Sheedy always seemed able to get great deals for Essendon fringe players back when they were a force. These fringe players generally did nothing when they moved to their new club.

The point I'm trying to make is that fringe players at a powerful team tend to be overrated. Part of the glow of that teams success seems to be worn by those who have played little part in the success and done nothing to deserve the glow. Thus clubs often overpay for these guys.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

My thing is, if it's purely about points for GWS, then why use pick 7 at all? Make up the points they need with other picks. Like Snoop said.

 

[Snoop Dog]

My thing is, if it's purely about points for GWS, then why use pick 7 at all? Make up the points they need with other picks. Like Snoop said.

yeah i reckon that is what is happening now. Pies have thrown out 7, probably been accepted and now Pies ahve come back and said well given you wont be using why not take this collection of picks in the 20's to the same value. Problem is then how do you get Aish done. 7 is to much probably so maybe it is Oxley and a 20's pick but would they accept it.

What is the latest on Oxley?

 

[Apex36]

yeah i reckon that is what is happening now. Pies have thrown out 7, probably been accepted and now Pies ahve come back and said well given you wont be using why not take this collection of picks in the 20's to the same value. Problem is then how do you get Aish done. 7 is to much probably so maybe it is Oxley and a 20's pick but would they accept it.

What is the latest on Oxley?

Doubt that would be the case Snoop. As it is, pick 7 allows GWS to retain a top 10 live pick, but given the trades that GWS currently have mooted, they may actually end up aquiring enough points to not only get all their academy boys, but be able to use both picks 7 and 8 in the live draft.

They're in an exceptional position for this draft already, but if Tomlinson and/or McCarthy get traded they will dominate the top 20 again with two academy picks and two live picks imo.

 

[ZerokooL]

Doubt that would be the case Snoop. As it is, pick 7 allows GWS to retain a top 10 live pick, but given the trades that GWS currently have mooted, they may actually end up aquiring enough points to not only get all their academy boys, but be able to use both picks 7 and 8 in the live draft.

They're in an exceptional position for this draft already, but if Tomlinson and/or McCarthy get traded they will dominate the top 20 again with two academy picks and two live picks imo.

I also think we may try to keep at least one 2nd round pick for another trade or draft prospect on toip of Treloar & Aish. We may also have to give away 44 as a top up in one of the deals too?

I'd be stoked if Kennedy is a straight swap for Howe, but you just never know what Hiney is thinking or other teams are demanding.

RE: Treloar Trade - I'm guessing (at this point in time)... GWS are asking for our 2015 & 2016 1st Rds and we've moved from offering 2015 1st Rd to being prepared to give up 2015 1st & 2nd Rds.

Given what Beams and Danger have gone for, I'm thinking Grubby Allen may settle somewhere in the middle for AT... say 7, 26 & 44... or 7, 26 and possibly Goodyear?

We may also need at least 2 x 2nd Rd's for Aish (Freeman & Seedy or Freeman & 2016 2nd Rd), as I'm guessing we'd be OK with giving away 2016 2nd, but not 2016 1st Rd.

I think we have enough (with Seedy, freeman & BK) to come away with Treloar, Aish, Howe and a decent pick in the trade. This would be a great pass imo (even losing Goodyear), but if we have to additionally give up our 2016 1st Rd, we'd be paying way overs.

 

[Snoop Dog]

I would be thrilled if we landed Treloar, Aish and Howe so really I think just need to focus on getting them done. Completes the midfield rebuild and gives the polish we need. Howe gives us another forward option. Topping that off with Rioli or Kerbatieh in the draft would be ideal.

Freeman

We get # 24 from them.

Seedsman

For mine I would like to try and get their 13 by giving them Seedsman and maybe our # 24. Maybe we would get something back from that. Say 32 or tsomething around 40'ish

Aish

I would then on trade that # 13 to Lions and would be assured that would be done albeit prefer to trade Oxley and 26 and would think that would get done as well albeit Lions would want # 13 so lets assume that. They will figure they could get Oxley via the PSD but you'd hope the kids wouldnt let that happen.

Treloar

I still think we only need to do a first and second rounder but that might be slightly wishful and would be still happy with 2 first rounders and say pick 27 of theirs back this year.

Howe

Kennedy and our #44 shoudl get that done.

That would leave us with picks;

26
27
32
60

Pick 26 - Hisham Kerbatieh

I think you would want Rioli but his combine will have him higher than this selection now. Kerbatieh is a terrific competitor and very good small forward. He may not be best but we need a small forward who has crumbing skill and puts pressure on the way out.

Pick 27 - Ben McKay

I think he will still be around at this stage. Big tall and mobile and has excellent hands. Very raw and will take time but seen enough to suggest if he slipped to hear you would take the punt on him albeit am notoriously anti going key forwards from the second round on as history suggests they are usually a 'bust'. He is different because he was very late to the TAC system and I think he is a December baby as well.

Pick 32 - Sam Skinner

Gets no love on these boards but if he had played this year he would have been a lot higher. Seen a lot of him and he is a talent and I think will develop into a terrific key back.

Pick 60 - Tom Doedee

Not entirely sure we would take this pick as more likely will fish someone through the PSD and leave 2-3 rookie selections in order to give them more flex for next year. Tom didnt play a lot of footy this year as copped a couple of injuries at the wrong time but he tested very well and his form (when he played) was actually very good.

Rookie Draft

Pick 7 - Matthew Perry

I think he might slide a bit as he didnt go to DC so he could well slip. I thought he showed a lot through the year and I would take him from 40 onwards.

Pick 26 - Shane Yarran

Been big on him for a year or two now and whilst we are waiting for Kerbatieh to get up to speed I would recruit this guy for a year or two and see what he can do.

 

[sr36]

If we land Howe, Aish and Treloar, I'd like to see his us do what Hine has done a couple of times and triple up on a player type. I'd like us to have a crack at a few fast flashy outsiders. They're usually pretty low percentage picks - but our team really needs one or two.

 

[stars alive]

I would be thrilled if we landed Treloar, Aish and Howe so really I think just need to focus on getting them done. Completes the midfield rebuild and gives the polish we need. Howe gives us another forward option. Topping that off with Rioli or Kerbatieh in the draft would be ideal.

Freeman

We get # 24 from them.

Seedsman

For mine I would like to try and get their 13 by giving them Seedsman and maybe our # 24. Maybe we would get something back from that. Say 32 or tsomething around 40'ish

Aish

I would then on trade that # 13 to Lions and would be assured that would be done albeit prefer to trade Oxley and 26 and would think that would get done as well albeit Lions would want # 13 so lets assume that. They will figure they could get Oxley via the PSD but you'd hope the kids wouldnt let that happen.

Treloar

I still think we only need to do a first and second rounder but that might be slightly wishful and would be still happy with 2 first rounders and say pick 27 of theirs back this year.

Howe

Kennedy and our #44 shoudl get that done.

That would leave us with picks;

26
27
32
60

Pick 26 - Hisham Kerbatieh

I think you would want Rioli but his combine will have him higher than this selection now. Kerbatieh is a terrific competitor and very good small forward. He may not be best but we need a small forward who has crumbing skill and puts pressure on the way out.

Pick 27 - Ben McKay

I think he will still be around at this stage. Big tall and mobile and has excellent hands. Very raw and will take time but seen enough to suggest if he slipped to hear you would take the punt on him albeit am notoriously anti going key forwards from the second round on as history suggests they are usually a 'bust'. He is different because he was very late to the TAC system and I think he is a December baby as well.

Pick 32 - Sam Skinner

Gets no love on these boards but if he had played this year he would have been a lot higher. Seen a lot of him and he is a talent and I think will develop into a terrific key back.

Pick 60 - Tom Doedee

Not entirely sure we would take this pick as more likely will fish someone through the PSD and leave 2-3 rookie selections in order to give them more flex for next year. Tom didnt play a lot of footy this year as copped a couple of injuries at the wrong time but he tested very well and his form (when he played) was actually very good.

Rookie Draft

Pick 7 - Matthew Perry

I think he might slide a bit as he didnt go to DC so he could well slip. I thought he showed a lot through the year and I would take him from 40 onwards.

Pick 26 - Shane Yarran

Been big on him for a year or two now and whilst we are waiting for Kerbatieh to get up to speed I would recruit this guy for a year or two and see what he can do.

Where do you see hardwick in this draft and you seem to be a big fan of kerbatieh..whats his upside?

 

[ZerokooL]

I would be thrilled if we landed Treloar, Aish and Howe so really I think just need to focus on getting them done. Completes the midfield rebuild and gives the polish we need. Howe gives us another forward option. Topping that off with Rioli or Kerbatieh in the draft would be ideal.

Freeman

We get # 24 from them.

Seedsman

For mine I would like to try and get their 13 by giving them Seedsman and maybe our # 24. Maybe we would get something back from that. Say 32 or tsomething around 40'ish

Aish

I would then on trade that # 13 to Lions and would be assured that would be done albeit prefer to trade Oxley and 26 and would think that would get done as well albeit Lions would want # 13 so lets assume that. They will figure they could get Oxley via the PSD but you'd hope the kids wouldnt let that happen.

Treloar

I still think we only need to do a first and second rounder but that might be slightly wishful and would be still happy with 2 first rounders and say pick 27 of theirs back this year.

Howe

Kennedy and our #44 shoudl get that done.

That would leave us with picks;

26
27
32
60

Pick 26 - Hisham Kerbatieh

I think you would want Rioli but his combine will have him higher than this selection now. Kerbatieh is a terrific competitor and very good small forward. He may not be best but we need a small forward who has crumbing skill and puts pressure on the way out.

Pick 27 - Ben McKay

I think he will still be around at this stage. Big tall and mobile and has excellent hands. Very raw and will take time but seen enough to suggest if he slipped to hear you would take the punt on him albeit am notoriously anti going key forwards from the second round on as history suggests they are usually a 'bust'. He is different because he was very late to the TAC system and I think he is a December baby as well.

Pick 32 - Sam Skinner

Gets no love on these boards but if he had played this year he would have been a lot higher. Seen a lot of him and he is a talent and I think will develop into a terrific key back.

Pick 60 - Tom Doedee

Not entirely sure we would take this pick as more likely will fish someone through the PSD and leave 2-3 rookie selections in order to give them more flex for next year. Tom didnt play a lot of footy this year as copped a couple of injuries at the wrong time but he tested very well and his form (when he played) was actually very good.

Rookie Draft

Pick 7 - Matthew Perry

I think he might slide a bit as he didnt go to DC so he could well slip. I thought he showed a lot through the year and I would take him from 40 onwards.

Pick 26 - Shane Yarran

Been big on him for a year or two now and whilst we are waiting for Kerbatieh to get up to speed I would recruit this guy for a year or two and see what he can do.

Where do you see hardwick in this draft and you seem to be a big fan of kerbatieh..whats his upside?

Looking good for Treloar, Howe and now Aish so let's cross our fingers.

Think the more this trade period has progressed (and on top of those 3) it's becoming evident that we need a classy ground player up fwd. Given Howe, Elliott and Fas like to get airborne. So hopefully we'll have 1 x 2nd rounder left to spend in the draft to snag one.

I'd be happy with any of these three small fwds (below), they all boast great footy skills, and different in their own ways, and I think they'll all go somewhere in the 2nd round.

Kerbatieh possesses a little bit of X imo.. he's unpredictable, can be elusive, looks to keep ball moving and is a terrific kick. He applies pretty good defensive pressure up forward and seems to be always willing to throw himself into the contest and make that 2nd and 3rd effort which coaches dig.

Hardwick is more your traditional straight up forward, strong, agile, great lead and mark, a damn straight kick and seems to make the most of opportunities (especially ones that you might not see are there). He can crumb and also can play through midfield too. Very versatile.

Rioli is simply electric, I think it's in the genes yeah?...Sure there's not much of him (but there wasn't with Cyril either). Think he might take a little longer than the other two as he needs to physically develop a bit more, but sheezus he oozes X (and he is flashy!). Tested well at DC so he's sure to shorten for draft (2nd Rd).

All three have Youtube reels so check them out for yourself. Might have to stick with Snoop on this one.

BTW Snoop - Not sure if you've read this, but as much as I wanted to see/get Shane Yarran to Pies, I think this article will warn all AFL clubs off him (article appears prominently in google search).

 

[the mighty T]

Given that we have addressed a few concerns through trade, I think we can afford to draft based on needs this time round. I like the selection of Ben McKay and Rioli is probably the other obvious one that fills that small forward need.

I guess the question is Snoop Dog , which of the top prospects is most likely to slide and who would be the best available if those two are gone?

 

[Snoop Dog]

If Rioli wasn't there then Kerbatieh would be the only other option I would think.

For Ben McKay I would think it's pretty much the same. I can't see many tall forwards post them that I would take.

Of others that could slide I think Gresham and Hibberd could well slip along with Partington. Whether they are players we want am not sure but history tells me they would be the ones.

One interesting one is Dunkley. If he doesn't nominate swans I reckon he will get through to the 20s and be a bargain. Another is Skinner. Been injured and people don't realise how good he he is. I would happily have him in the 20s

 

[Snoop Dog]

Looking good for Treloar, Howe and now Aish so let's cross our fingers.

Think the more this trade period has progressed (and on top of those 3) it's becoming evident that we need a classy ground player up fwd. Given Howe, Elliott and Fas like to get airborne. So hopefully we'll have 1 x 2nd rounder left to spend in the draft to snag one.

I'd be happy with any of these three small fwds (below), they all boast great footy skills, and different in their own ways, and I think they'll all go somewhere in the 2nd round.

Kerbatieh possesses a little bit of X imo.. he's unpredictable, can be elusive, looks to keep ball moving and is a terrific kick. He applies pretty good defensive pressure up forward and seems to be always willing to throw himself into the contest and make that 2nd and 3rd effort which coaches dig.

Hardwick is more your traditional straight up forward, strong, agile, great lead and mark, a damn straight kick and seems to make the most of opportunities (especially ones that you might not see are there). He can crumb and also can play through midfield too. Very versatile.

Rioli is simply electric, I think it's in the genes yeah?...Sure there's not much of him (but there wasn't with Cyril either). Think he might take a little longer than the other two as he needs to physically develop a bit more, but sheezus he oozes X (and he is flashy!). Tested well at DC so he's sure to shorten for draft (2nd Rd).

All three have Youtube reels so check them out for yourself. Might have to stick with Snoop on this one.

BTW Snoop - Not sure if you've read this, but as much as I wanted to see/get Shane Yarran to Pies, I think this article will warn all AFL clubs off him (article appears prominently in google search).

Hardwick is a different type to Rioli and HK but am a big fan. Hardwick plays more like a Le Cras and has more scope to go middle than the other two boys who are crumbers. Seen BH go they the middle at champs and influence the game. Would be ok with him but he doesn't address that glaring need for mine.

One I can see us looking as Fiorini. He cops a bit on here as people see him as just an outside type but he spent the second half of TAC in middle and played well winning his own footy. He is improving and I quite like him.

Re Yarran yeah I know the issues but am a fan of his playing. Pies don't generally take kids with issues though.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Where do you see hardwick in this draft and you seem to be a big fan of kerbatieh..whats his upside?

Big Hardwick fan but more Le Cras than Walters. HK is a crumber and plays at high intensity both ways. He has been improving constantly and has a strong core and great lateral movement and ball use.

Am fine getting Blake but not sure he is a need type player but I think he is a v good prospect.

 

[Quicky]

On Howe, philosophically I am glad that we are looking at some more firepower forward of centre. However, I'm really not convinced that Howe is a great list fit for us. At 25 you have a very good idea of what player you are getting. And with a best goal kicking season of just 21 (less than Jesse White this year) I don't think we are bringing in a player that will overly help us in this area. He is a low possession winner too. From a balance perspective, and like Howe, the vast majority of our existing forward players are lead up and mark types. Cloke, Moore, White, Elliott, Fasolo. He won't assist us at ground level. I think this is a bad move for us.

 

[mike123]

On Howe, philosophically I am glad that we are looking at some more firepower forward of centre. However, I'm really not convinced that Howe is a great list fit for us. At 25 you have a very good idea of what player you are getting. And with a best goal kicking season of just 21 (less than Jesse White this year) I don't think we are bringing in a player that will overly help us in this area. He is a low possession winner too. From a balance perspective, and like Howe, the vast majority of our existing forward players are lead up and mark types. Cloke, Moore, White, Elliott, Fasolo. He won't assist us at ground level. I think this is a bad move for us.

I agree with this but It looks like we want to turn him into a winger

 

[Quicky]

I agree with this but It looks like we want to turn him into a winger

I took the comments from the club with a big grain of salt. It struck me very much as a sales pitch to the supporter base. One which I thought was very likely building unreasonable expectations of what Howe will offer us. I prefer to base my opinions of Howe on what he has achieved to date. Which is a good ol' honest but modest career.

I just can't see him being an Isaac Smith style winger. He is not a high possession winner and his disposal is not nearly as damaging. I also think that between Sidebottom, Varcoe, Crisp, Broomhead, Swan and potentially Aish we will have better options in this area of the ground.

What I think the club is trying to achieve with the trade is another link up half forward, high half forward marking option and mobile tall marking option. Which we could use and is Howe's best role for us I feel. But I still just don't have the confidence he will hit the score board enough. A best goal kicking season of 21 as a 25 year old says plenty. I honestly think Jesse White would provide a better option in that role.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I took the comments from the club with a big grain of salt. It struck me very much as a sales pitch to the supporter base. One which I thought was very likely building unreasonable expectations of what Howe will offer us. I prefer to base my opinions of Howe on what he has achieved to date. Which is a good ol' honest but modest career.

I just can't see him being an Isaac Smith style winger. He is not a high possession winner and his disposal is not nearly as damaging. I also think that between Sidebottom, Varcoe, Crisp, Broomhead, Swan and potentially Aish we will have better options in this area of the ground.

What I think the club is trying to achieve with the trade is another link up half forward, high half forward marking option and mobile tall marking option. Which we could use and is Howe's best role for us I feel. But I still just don't have the confidence he will hit the score board enough. A best goal kicking season of 21 as a 25 year old says plenty. I honestly think Jesse White would provide a better option in that role.

You're absolutely right & it concerns me too, don't see him as an I Smith, for us he needs to be a FWD.

What I HOPE for is that in an all around better team, especially with Treloar, Aish, Moore & the natural improvement of our youngsters he will have more opportunities. At at least take the concentration of a better backman so our forwards don't get double teamed & create havoc & opps for others.

Will it happen?

 

[Quicky]

You're absolutely right & it concerns me too, don't see him as an I Smith, for us he needs to be a FWD.

What I HOPE for is that in an all around better team, especially with Treloar, Aish, Moore & the natural improvement of our youngsters he will have more opportunities. At at least take the concentration of a better backman so our forwards don't get double teamed & create havoc & opps for others.

Will it happen?

I'm skeptical. If the trade goes through, what I am hanging my hat on is that Cloke, Moore and Howe offer a pretty mobile group of tall forwards which I believe will be difficult to match up on. Considering Witts was our third tall much of the season that makes us a quicker side forward of centre overall.

It doesn't say much for how we see White however, as his late season dropping affirms I guess. I'm getting the Buckley and Dawes vibes (when Dawes dropped that sitter) off this one.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I'm skeptical. If the trade goes through, what I am hanging my hat on is that Cloke, Moore and Howe offer a pretty mobile group of tall forwards which I believe will be difficult to match up on. Considering Witts was our third tall much of the season that makes us a quicker side forward of centre overall.

It doesn't say much for how we see White however, as his late season dropping affirms I guess. I'm getting the Buckley and Dawes vibes (when Dawes dropped that sitter) off this one.

Same here but I just don't want Moore to be our second ruck yet.
He's a blue chip player & the last thing i want is a ruckmans PCL injury. So if we don't go with Witts, It has to be White, once again he should benefit from our natural progression & Howe adding another dimension.

In a year or two I expect (hope) Moore will become the benchmark for a second Fwd/ruck.

 

[Quicky]

Same here but I just don't want Moore to be our second ruck yet.
He's a blue chip player & the last thing i want is a ruckmans PCL injury. So if we don't go with Witts, It has to be White, once again he should benefit from our natural progression & Howe adding another dimension.

In a year or two I expect (hope) Moore will become the benchmark for a second Fwd/ruck.

I think people are overly cautious about Moore. If he is hitting 10-15% rucking a game I don't think it will destroy his body. He is our best second ruck by some way which says plenty about him.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I think people are overly cautious about Moore. If he is hitting 10-15% rucking a game I don't think it will destroy his body. He is our best second ruck by some way which says plenty about him.

Look you are probably correct & I'm just overly cautious, I'd prefer If he was given the time to grow into his body, get use to the pace, crash & bash of senior AFL. Plus get some ruck coaching so he knows how to protect himself, he's full bore ATM.

He is one of the most outstanding tall prospects I've seen at our club since probably his dad.

 

[Quicky]

Look you are probably correct & I'm just overly cautious, I'd prefer If he was given the time to grow into his body, get use to the pace, crash & bash of senior AFL. Plus get some ruck coaching so he knows how to protect himself, he's full bore ATM.

He is one of the most outstanding tall prospects I've seen at our club since probably his dad.

He is the most important kid on our list. How do you do a risk assessment on that one? Maybe I'm totally wrong.

I kind of see holding him back in the ruck in a similar light to Mums concerned their kids are playing in a sand pit and might get germs. Where's the wet wipes?

 

[Obese Arachnid]

He is the most important kid on our list. How do you do a risk assessment on that one? Maybe I'm totally wrong.

I kind of see holding him back in the ruck in a similar light to Mums concerned their kids are playing in a sand pit and might get germs. Where's the wet wipes?

Haha, fair enough.

When you put it like that the whole "cotton wool" thing does drive me nuts. I was 11 or 12 when I made my way from Bentleigh to Vick Park by myself.

 

[ClaytonM]

My thing is, if it's purely about points for GWS, then why use pick 7 at all? Make up the points they need with other picks. Like Snoop said.

Because you have to use your first available picks to access academy kids. If GWS are lucky they may be able to use picks 7 and 8 on top quality (non academy) talent before any other club nominates the first of their academy kid which they can they use picks in the 20+ range to obtain, even if the nomination by the other club is at say pick 10. Absolutely makes sense for them to be as high up in the draft as possible. They get access to the best non-academy kids available as well as their best academy kids. If I was them I would not trade 7 or 8 for anything.

Make no mistake, the cards are well and truly stacked in favour of GWS. They are going to be some kind of powerhouse for an extended period of time. They have played their concessions much better than Gold Coast. Not only have they enjoyed that initial influx of players, but as they trade them out over the next few years they are continuing to get multiple round one picks each year. The age profile of their list will start to spread and in a few years they will have two or three round 1 picks from each draft year. Then I think everyone will wake up and go what the f*ck have we created.