No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[triggering bro]

They've probably gone after 2 or 3 IMO and landed on Ross. Doubt a decision this big was made with just one guy in mind.

I don't like it and think it doesn't work out but will get behind Ross if confirmed and hope we have the support behind him to make sure even if he gets the arse in a few years we will be alright.

Yea agree. I reckon they’ve concluded we need a Clarko, Chris Scott, Hardwick….RTB type operator. The Boss the only one available. Maybe they’ve also considered others eg Pyke, Roos.

 

[Saint Shags]

Or Ross hasn't been given the job yet and everyone claiming he has is full of s**t.

Think we'll find out very quickly.
Could be a master-stroke or it could be the biggest **** up since Melbourne sacked Norm Smith.

 

[George]

All we can do in the end. And just hope it all works out.

I doubt he will defy history and win a flag this time around so we need to have strong support and assistants behind him to take over once it fails. Good short term fix to bring in some standards and professionalism but that's where it'll probably end IMO

 

[phantom13]

Yes, I downgraded not turfed, or as the other moderator posted incorrectly, at the beginning of the year. You must be a better supporter than I am, is that your point in raising my membership? If so have been a member for 32 years and will remain one.

Could you outline the 'process' that will occur?

I’m not on the panel so of course I can’t. Is there a point you wanna make with this inane dribble?

 

[Captain Paddy]

Dunno why there's any debate.

Ross was done last week and is by far the most standout candidate for what we need.

Not just his own personal coaching record, but the fact that this club has bene coasting for 12 years with coaches who have kid gloves on and have been babying grown men.

Seb Ross has literally never been whipped or smashed during a pre season in his life and he's a multiple best and fairest winner.

These boys are about to understand what hard work looks and feels like.

 

[Saint Shags]

I doubt he will defy history and win a flag this time around so we need to have strong support and assistants behind him to take over once it fails. Good short term fix to bring in some standards and professionalism but that's where it'll probably end IMO

If there isn't a transition plan in place, I'd be surprised if he wasn't on a 5 year deal.
Ross will need to be certain he has security. Especially leaving media land.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Also how good will some selection integrity be. If you you don't go when it's your turn, if you don't go the extra mile to help a mate or if you cheat at any moment, you'll be playing at Trevor Barker Oval.

 

[Sully111]

I doubt he will defy history and win a flag this time around so we need to have strong support and assistants behind him to take over once it fails. Good short term fix to bring in some standards and professionalism but that's where it'll probably end IMO

I want us to get him so we win a flag. I see no reason why it's beyond his capabilities if he has the right support around him, and obviously a capable list.

 

[phantom13]

Ffs enough with the he’s never won a grand final who gives a * you make it 3 times draw one lose by a kick in another you’re as good as any coach that has won one .. what’s the difference between Ross Lyon and Paul Roos ?? One kick that’s what

This is the definition of accepting mediocrity my guy.

You’re absolutely not as good as someone that won one of you didn’t win one.

By your logic we’re as good as Geelong and Collingwood who beat us in those grand finals.

Ask their supporters, actually ask a nuetral who the best team in 09 and 10 was? I assure you not many are gonna say “it was a tie”.

 

[Joffaboy]

I think that most of the people saying that the process is done already prob also believe that this isnt the first time this has happened in the afl world and has prob happened many many times


After all
It is a business

Not really it is a membership organisation so a bit different. The business only exists as an entity because of its members.
When things like this happens there is always members to consider, call them shareholders if you like.
There has to be probity and proper governance. Depending on where you stand some may believe it is not good governance if there is subterfuge and perception of underhandedness in things like getting a coach.
Others feel it doesn't matter. All this is obvious but when coupled of the emotion and passion of supporting a football club, things can spill over.
The likelihood of it going **** up whether we have an exhaustive selection process like with Watters or as it seems is likely Lyon is just appointed is the same in my opinion, extremely high.
Whoever is selected, will have supporters and detracted, Ratts certainly did.

 

[Plugger35]

Ffs enough with the he’s never won a grand final who gives a * you make it 3 times draw one lose by a kick in another you’re as good as any coach that has won one .. what’s the difference between Ross Lyon and Paul Roos ?? One kick that’s what

Ross and Roos still have a lot in common, they both played at Fitzroy when they were a battling underdog club that fought against the odds.

I think they like the idea of coaching other battling underdog clubs that have long premiership droughts like St Kilda, Sydney and Melbourne or in the case of Freo haven't won a premiership at all. If Fitzroy were still around in the AFL they probably would have wanted to coach them too.

That's probably one of the reasons that Ross wasn't that interested in coaching Carlton or Essendon as they are historically successful clubs with a lot of premierships so winning another premiership with them wouldn't mean as much to him and would go against his battling underdog club psyche.

Coming back to coach St Kilda and win us a premiership would excite him more than coaching Carlton or Essendon or any other more successful club.

 

[phantom13]

I want us to get him so we win a flag. I see no reason why it's beyond his capabilities if he has the right support around him, and obviously a capable list.

This is spot on, one minor addition.

“If he has the right support around him and obviously a capable list and he is the right candidate”

 

[Mowman]

Maybe we are getting Richo back

#pleasing

 

[Sully111]

This is spot on, one minor addition.

“If he has the right support around him and obviously a capable list and he is the right candidate”

I'm talking about Ross

 

[phantom13]

I'm talking about Ross

So am I

 

[Captain Paddy]

People begging for a process, open your eyes. What do you think has been happening.

We're in a new era. If we could change the rules and have a president longer than two terms or whatever it is, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Bassett is a proven business man. He sat back and allowed people to go about their business and he just observed what was happening.

He didn't like what he saw, he spoke to NRoo amongst others about what he saw and what a successful club looked like in their eyes and he's taken action.

That presser was honestly one of the most impressive things that have come out of St.Kilda in a long time.

We should be excited.

The only way this ****s up is if we St.Kilda it but letting some kook challenge the board and win. Then we're back being dogshit.

Look back at that failed Richmond board challenge. It was a shambles and if it got up that club would be winning spoons, not flags.

 

[heynow85]

Some news at the end of this re: something you all may be interested in

 

[Joffaboy]

I’m not on the panel so of course I can’t. Is there a point you wanna make with this inane dribble?

As much as you and my membership which is not your business.

Done with you on this subject you seem to be getting a bit upset for some reason.

Oh and the word you wanted was drivel. Dribble runs down a baby's chin.

Have a good evening.

 

[Sippa]

This is the definition of accepting mediocrity my guy.

You’re absolutely not as good as someone that won one of you didn’t win one.

By your logic we’re as good as Geelong and Collingwood who beat us in those grand finals.

Ask their supporters, actually ask a nuetral who the best team in 09 and 10 was? I assure you not many are gonna say “it was a tie”.

Again you’re talking about legacy I’m talking about ability

Legacy is less for not having won one , but his actual coaching is no different had one moment in any of those games gone a different way

And actually pretty much everyone you’d ever talk to would say we were the best side of 09 and dominated that game and can’t see how it’s on the coach that we didn’t take our chances

 

[phantom13]

People begging for a process, open your eyes. What do you think has been happening.

We're in a new era. If we could change the rules and have a president longer than two terms or whatever it is, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Bassett is a proven business man. He sat back and allowed people to go about their business and he just observed what was happening.

He didn't like what he saw, he spoke to NRoo amongst others about what he saw and what a successful club looked like in their eyes and he's taken action.

That presser was honestly one of the most impressive things that have come out of St.Kilda in a long time.

We should be excited.

The only way this *s up is if we St.Kilda it but letting some kook challenge the board and win. Then we're back being dogshit.

Look back at that failed Richmond board challenge. It was a shambles and if it got up that club would be winning spoons, not flags.

You know the pro process crew are happy if it’s already underway.

They’ve pretty openly stated time line wise that they haven’t started anything yet (according to most reports Ratts was still pitching to save his job on Thursday).

So if we take them at their word then at best the “process” started Friday, if they lied about it (which is fine) then it’s already started.

The vast majority are pro process and it’s just arguing around the fringes to what that looks like.

Only absolute morons are suggesting we don’t have a process and just chuck a contract at whoever (most people want Ross).

 

[Drop Kick]

Will Ross bring Robert Eddy

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in as his Senior Assistant or Tactician ?

 

[George]

If there isn't a transition plan in place, I'd be surprised if he wasn't on a 5 year deal.
Ross will need to be certain he has security. Especially leaving media land.

Yeah to me it's a massive risk. I am worried and we simply must get this appointment right.

I want us to get him so we win a flag. I see no reason why it's beyond his capabilities if he has the right support around him, and obviously a capable list.

History suggests that it won't happen. Blight in 1997 was the last coach to be in Ross' position and win a flag. Every other premiership winning coach since has originally started out untried. So history will be against us, not to mention he hasn't just come from a present day football program. He's been out 3 years, it's a long time and the last time he had success was playing a style that is now outdated. There's lots of questions to be answered and too many for me to still be okay with appointing him. Yes a leader of men, yes sets standards, yes ruthless hard edge. We can get that from an untried coach. It's about characteristics not experience IMO.

 

[bird_man]

This is the definition of accepting mediocrity my guy.

You’re absolutely not as good as someone that won one of you didn’t win one.

By your logic we’re as good as Geelong and Collingwood who beat us in those grand finals.

Ask their supporters, actually ask a nuetral who the best team in 09 and 10 was? I assure you not many are gonna say “it was a tie”.

You don't get sides to 3 grand finals if you aren't a very good coach

He's got an extremely good coaching record at two clubs that have never had a huge winning culture.

 

[phantom13]

Again you’re talking about legacy I’m talking about ability

Legacy is less for not having won one , but his actual coaching is no different had one moment in any of those games gone a different way

And actually pretty much everyone you’d ever talk to would say we were the best side of 09 and dominated that game and can’t see how it’s on the coach that we didn’t take our chances

Geelong has the ultimate trump card in the argument about who the best team in 09 was.

We probably forget what it looks like given we’ve only got one and it’s 60 years old now.

Best team, best coach, best organisation wins a flag. The rest don’t. Legacy and ability.

Keep accepting not winning, it’s what we’ve done for a long time.

If Ross is the guy to win our next one so be it as it stands he’s not a premiership coach and that’s legacy and ability.

 

[MrFoster]

Think we'll find out very quickly.
Could be a master-stroke or it could be the biggest * up since Melbourne sacked Norm Smith.

How can it be a mistake when the coach we fired is under performing and 3 years is long enough to see we can only be a meddling team under him. Yes we didn’t finish bottom 4, but the type of football we were playing in 2nd half of the year is bottom 4 worthy, early in the season we relied on 1-2 quarters and King/Higgins/Ryder goals to win games, this masked the issues such as game style, ball transition, team cohesion etc. more than half the team misses targets regularly under Ricoh/Ratten, yet that’s never corrected. I have a feeling this will change dramatically under a better coach.