No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[phantom13]

Can't read everything we are up to page 100+ already and this is equally my personal opinion

He is an exec he is one of if not the most important leaders at the club, and if you go by some of the whispers on here we have been doing things very quietly already and certainly the decision was kept extremely quiet.

Clarko would have been appointed by any and every club no matter the process - no panel would have dug up the stuff that ended up in that Hawthorn Report and Clarko like Ross would not consider entering into a public panel process to sell his credentials as a senior coach.

He doesn't need to prove he can do the job he clearly can and has. A powerpoint is not going to change his record. As I said do all the background checks and reference checks you need. Talk to the Freo guys who were put offside by him talk to Pavlich Mundy the Freo President at the time who ever he was make sure you know everything. But don't make him present to a trumped up panel alongside a bunch of rookies, that's not ruthless that's a sham for media consumption. Then make sure your vision is aligned on where the list is at and what the strategy is and what his role does and does not include. Maybe you are doing the same with Don Pyke who I am sure doesn't want to go through the public spectacle of these so called processes.

The last thing these guys want is to go through a public application in front of all the AFL media and get rejected even good assistants hesitate to do this more that 2 or 3 times because they worry about the damage to their reputation. Then you agree and announce your new coach.

All of this is still a process it is just a private process not a public show trial. Ultimately the board will make the decision they are accountable along with the CEO and GM of Footy Ops they are the only people who need to be convinced. Handing responsibility off to a Panel of experts is absolving yourself of that responsibility.

Don’t quote me if you’re not going to bother to read the context to what I posted and just shoot it down. I’ve made very very clear that provided there is some process then it’s fine.

One thing that you’re wrong about is that he hasn’t proven he can do the job, or more accurately there is zero proof that he can do it now. That’s the bit that needs his presentation. What’s he bringing to the table? Cause you and the other Ross fan boys want to pretend that he’s still capable in spite of no evidence. In fact the most recent evidence that he’s any good is actually 2015 any time after that you’re either appointing a coach with a losing record who didn’t make finals or someone who isn’t coaching.

You wanna do that from a phone call and a chat go for it, I’d like a bit more rigour.

 

[Munga]

$700k

Might be a silly question, but does coaches salaries count in the soft cap? Hopefully not, wouldn't be much left for other things!

 

[George]

Might be a silly question, but does coaches salaries count in the soft cap? Hopefully not, wouldn't be much left for other things!

Believe so. I think the reason we beefed up the footy dept around Ratts was because he was on next to nothing.

 

[pebblesofsand]

How does the same guy say he is expecting a call if he hasn’t been approached to know one is coming?

Easy - he's an ex coach with the credentiatials to coach the team. Guess that's why he said

" .. like ANYONE, he'd be expecting an approach next week."

Do you think Don Pyke would be expecting a call from the Saints next week if we are interested in him?

Adam Yze?

 

[Saint Shags]

$700k

Better come with a flag for that cost.

 

[StFly]

Hes not an exec and we’re not doing it quietly so none of what your discussing really has any relevance.


If you’d bothered to read the preceding messages I made it explicitly clear that this is what I would do if it was my personal decision, I don’t expect this to happen nor do I particularly care if it doesn’t follow this process.

As I’ve stated numerous times in this thread, I just want A process of some description. The more thorough the better.

At the moment it looks a lot like we’re doing a Clarko with Ross. How did that go again?

What’s the harm in making this super competitive, ruthless, standard setting supercoach go through a competitive, ruthless, standardized process?

If he’s the right guy he’ll win it anyway, if he doesn’t want to do it then maybe he’s not as competitive as his fans are saying.

Just Re the bolded part, we've done no such thing, it's all media and people like us shitposting doing it, aka narrative pushing.

No reason at all to be lumping the club in with it, they've been straight batting in public.

 

[stavro#4]

Easy - he's an ex coach with the credentiatials to coach the team. Guess that's why he said

" .. like ANYONE, he'd be expecting an approach next week."

Do you think Don Pyke would be expecting a call from the Saints next week if we are interested in him?

Adam Yze?

I believe he has the job.

So I believe they have spoken

 

[Joffaboy]

Better come with a flag for that cost.

Yes getting a coach is always guaranteed to get a flag especially at the Saints.

Flags don't matter anyway, as long as some unknown process is followed some will be deliriously happy.

 

[Saint Shags]

Yes getting a coach is always guaranteed to get a flag especially at the Saints.

Flags don't matter anyway, as long as some unknown process is followed some will be deliriously happy.

Goes towards the soft cap.
How many head coaches are on that at present Joffa?

 

[Sully111]

Better come with a flag for that cost.

It definitely does.

He'll come round and make your morning coffee too.

Good times.

 

[Parkysp]

Ross is 55, he's hardly ancient. Can't see why he'd go for a succession plan.

Yeah It's beyond funny. Google NFL winning coaches and all the football leagues of the world. Young coaches are absolutely the exception.

Sorry for those that think the AFL is somehow a special case in world sport where you're gone past 50 but It's bizarre. As a comparison, I'd take an Andy Reid over an untried assistant every day of the week.

 

[triggering bro]

Better come with a flag for that cost.

It’s actually not that bad. Roos was paid $1m + per season to coach the Dees.

 

[George]

Yeah It's beyond funny. Google NFL winning coaches and all the football leagues of the world. Young coaches are absolutely the exception.

Sorry for those that think the AFL is somehow a special case in world sport where you're gone past 50 but It's bizarre. As a comparison, I'd take an Andy Reid over an untried assistant every day of the week.

Andy Reid has won superbowls

 

[phantom13]

Just Re the bolded part, we've done no such thing, it's all media and people like us shitposting doing it, aka narrative pushing.

No reason at all to be lumping the club in with it, they've been straight batting in public.

Yeh, fair point, I actually more meant that if we do what many in this thread are advocating for (just beg and appoint Ross) then we are doing what they did.

In spite of what people may think of my “process” line i actually the club to do that here, I can’t imagine they will just fall at Ross’ feet given how thorough they’ve been up to here.

 

[phantom13]

Yes getting a coach is always guaranteed to get a flag especially at the Saints.

Flags don't matter anyway, as long as some unknown process is followed some will be deliriously happy.

And you reckon my comprehension is an issue.

Didn’t you turf your membership?

 

[George]

And you reckon my comprehension is an issue.

Didn’t you turf your membership?

At the start of the year, then re-signed and turfed it again last week apparently

 

[Saint Shags]

It’s actually not that bad. Roos was paid $1m + per season to coach the Dees.

That was before the soft cap wasn't it?

 

[pebblesofsand]

I believe he has the job.

So I believe they have spoken

If that's actually the case then its a f***en disaster.

He has twice refused to be interviewed for a senior coaching position and expected the Boards to fawn over him and hand him the job.

Lets be clear - he's never won a grand final, was sacked from his last position (in very dubious circumstances) with a 30% win rate over his last 4 years.

Despite what his ego tells him, he's not a messiah and doesn't deserve special treatment.

I'd be saying to him what I said to an executive a few years back who was complaining that he shouldn't have to do an interview for new contract at the expiry of term.

If you reckon you're that good you'll win the position. He didn't apply and the company was better off.

 

[triggering bro]

That was before the soft cap wasn't it?

I’m not sure TBH. Quite possibly.

Also worth noting that apparently Ratts’ payout figure is very low at around 200k (6 months salary). His new contract was extremely modest.

 

[George]

I’m not sure TBH. Quite possibly.

Also worth noting that apparently Ratts’ payout figure is very low at around 200k (6 months salary). His new contract was extremely modest.

Heard the same, was on 400k a year so 200k payout

 

[PoppedCorn]

In spite of what people may think of my “process” line i actually the club to do that here, I can’t imagine they will just fall at Ross’ feet given how thorough they’ve been up to here.

We're with ya phantom

It's just that we think that process is already done

 

[Plugger35]

I’m a little the worse for wear this morning after going on a 09-10 Saints YouTube binge with a bottle of gin while the wife was away last night.

I’d advise you all to do it (minus the bottle of gin if that’s not your thing) to remind you what it is like to have a well drilled football team representing our wonderful club.

It wasn’t so much watching the likes of Roo, Lenny etc. that impresses you. It’s the way you clearly see that the players are playing selfless footy. Doing all the one percenters. Everyone is focused and brought in 100%.

No matter if it is a home and away or final, you can see that coming up against the Saints was a nightmare for the opposition.

Anyone, anywhere, anytime.

I want us to be back there.

Ross Lyon has taken the only two teams he coached to the Grand Final a short time after taking over as coach.

He is a brilliant motivator and organizer of young men. That is indisputable - even to his biggest critics. This stuff can’t be taught, and literally only a couple of other coaches in the whole comp can match Ross for this.

He is smart enough to adapt tactics to the modern game, or get someone to help with this. No doubt he will have learned from his mistakes.

It’s time for him to come back to the club where it all started, and get the Premiership both he and our club richly deserve.

I for one can’t wait.

We played a brutal clinical style of footy under Ross where every player knew their role and bought into his game plan, if you didn't you didn't play.

I've never seen a Saints team as good as the one we had in 2009, every team feared us including Geelong and we should've beaten them in the GF.

We don't have as good a playing list as we had back then but we are better off field now with better resources to help him out and we have better facilities back at Moorabbin, us moving to that shithole in Seaford was one of the reasons he left, like the players he hated making the long trek there.

If we want to be relevant again then Ross is the man, he even made Freo relevant when they hadn't been relevant since they started up in 1995.

It would be an incredible redemption story if he came back to win us a premiership, it could be a disaster too but I'm willing to roll the dice on him.

Either way it's much better than us just playing it safe with Ratten and remaining irrelevant with mid table finishes for the next couple of years.

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[lewdogs]

I just think there's a sense of how is this bloke still on the table? Carlton ended up hiring a failed coach who thus far failed again and Essendon an ok coach. North unlucky.

 

[phantom13]

At the start of the year, then re-signed and turfed it again last week apparently

Definitely a guy I’d listen to for long term critical decision making then.

 

[phantom13]

We're with ya phantom

It's just that we think that process is already done

I really am yelling into a void at this point.

The irony is that all bar a handful are actually completely on board with some process (and none of us really knows what that looks like or how it works).

There are a handful that just have the contract prepped already without a second of foreplay. Those people are ****ing lunatics