No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[George]

Again... show us all the evidence you are talking about..

It was said in a club presser around that time, pre or post one of our games. I remember it well because when they announced the review I wondered if Ratten would be involved given he just signed a 2 year extension.

 

[Munga]

On another note, and I apologise if this has already been posted, but Lyon's qualities as Coach are again exemplified in this vid..

Hot damn, I'm pumped. Lyon is a master, and we're probably going to get him at his most wise, which is a dangerous thing for the rest of the comp. I can't wait to see what he does with this even, but not stellar, list.

 

[George]

What if Bassett was happy to cop the 6 month 200k payout for stability, keep the sponsors & supporters happy, & was always considering sacking Ratts after trade period if the year continued to deteriorate in the second half of the year? 200k perhaps a small price to pay!

That's fine but go and tell Ratten that in July when the review was announced instead of waiting until October.

If he wanted to keep it from Ratten to avoid the wheels falling off, then tell him in September when he actually reckons he found out, as opposed to four weeks later.

Shits all over the joint lol

 

[Darkhour]

Hot damn, I'm pumped. Lyon is a master, and we're probably going to get him at his most wise, which is a dangerous thing for the rest of the comp. I can't wait to see what he does with this even, but not stellar, list.

honey and vinegar.. honey and vinegar..

everyone else - If you haven't already.. watch the vid i posted a page back. It's not really about his biggest spray. It's actually about ross and his time at the saints and if it doesn't warm your heart, i dont know what will!

 

[DougalHoward]

Is there a podcast?

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Found it starts at 12 minutes

 

[Jade Buddha]

So why did Bassat wait a month after finding out Ratten was going to be sacked before telling him?

Lmao, you can only spin it so much. They said he was safe, this came out directly from the club. Not the media.

So why do you think they waited George?

 

[George]

So why do you think they waited George?

Not sure, what do you reckon?

 

[gringo2011]

Externally our list is described as shite with too many C graders & not enough A graders. Under RTB, I expect we will suddenly uncover a few A graders. He is excellent at playing to the strengths of the best players in his teams.

I can definitely see King playing a more mobile Roo/Pav-role & isolating smaller players inside 50 (Billings, Higgins & Gresh) like he did previously with Milne, Walters & Ballantine.

Ross will also hide our deficiencies by playing a style that suits the list. To this point, I can definitely see someone with leg speed (DMac) put into midfield in a defensive role. I’m also expecting our midfielders to be more accountable.

Jones & Butler (& Clark the obvious one) the players I see that will need to prove a lot over preseason that they are RTB type players. I see Brad Hill immediately improving as soon as the Boss walks into the club without saying a word. As much as I criticise Billings, I think he’s a pro that will improve under a more accountable gameplan.

Billings is an anxious over thinker but super coachable. To me he's the type that would have been a star at a club like peak Hawthorn or Geelong. Taking away uncertainty should free him of his mind. He's an ideal soldier. I think he'll love Ross.

 

[Plugger35]

Hot damn, I'm pumped. Lyon is a master, and we're probably going to get him at his most wise, which is a dangerous thing for the rest of the comp. I can't wait to see what he does with this even, but not stellar, list.

He knows how to get the best out of players no doubt, he even got the likes of Brett Peake and Farren Ray to play some good football and they were basically thrown on the scrap heap by their previous clubs. If he can get the best out of them I'm sure he can get the best out of our current players.

 

[StFly]

That's fine but go and tell Ratten that in July when the review was announced instead of waiting until October.

If he wanted to keep it from Ratten to avoid the wheels falling off, then tell him in September when he actually reckons he found out, as opposed to four weeks later.

Shits all over the joint lol

How do you know they didn't? "hey Ratts, we'll be asking questions even though we said we probably won't, you good?" "yeah". Takes all of what 30 seconds?

Screaming at shadows.

They reviewed a department, public statements backing in incumbent and choices as no shit, reviewed behind doors, people got chat about it and make statements, decisions were made and costs eaten. Perhaps the reason Ratts hasn't run screaming to grievance or the media about how he was robbed is because he actually knew for 4 months and it was amicable? Perhaps Ratts was the driver of "you review this department, I'm not excluded as I'm not a cuck".

How is any of this indicative that everything is untoward and things are all shenanigans with this process? Context can be very important.

 

[George]

How do you know they didn't? "hey Ratts, we'll be asking questions even though we said we probably won't, you good?" "yeah". Takes all of what 30 seconds?

Screaming at shadows.

They reviewed a department, public statements backing in incumbent and choices as no s**t, reviewed behind doors, people got chat about it and make statements, decisions were made and costs eaten. Perhaps the reason Ratts hasn't run screaming to grievance or the media about how he was robbed is because he actually knew for 4 months and it was amicable? Perhaps Ratts was the driver of "you review this department, I'm not excluded as I'm not a cuck".

How is any of this indicative that everything is untoward and things are all shenanigans with this process? Context can be very important.

I know they didn't because Bassat said so in the press conference last week. He said he told Ratten on Sunday October 9th that he was unlikely to coach next year, despite in the same press conference saying that he knew about this for an entire month prior.

If these statements by Bassat is not what actually happened, why is he lying to St.Kilda supporters?

 

[StFly]

I know they didn't because Bassat said so in the press conference last week. He said he told Ratten on Sunday October 9th that he was unlikely to coach next year, despite in the same press conference saying that he knew about this for an entire month prior.

If these statements by Bassat is not what actually happened, why is he lying to St.Kilda supporters?

He the only member on that panel speaking to Ratts is he?

 

[George]

He the only member on that panel speaking to Ratts is he?

My opinion is based on what we know. I think there's a bit of clutching at straws going on here, "oh well Bassat said HE didn't tell Ratts so I'm positive someone else told him!" Lol it's not really a strong argument is it.

 

[stavro#4]

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Thinks he has evolved when he went to Freo. Thinks he will evolve further.

Weed out some players who won’t make it under him.

But most importantly whilst there will be tweaks to the game plan.

It will still be “defends first” and “high accountability” that underpin the game plan.

 

[George]

Brownlow Medallist's high praise for Ross Lyon ahead of looming St Kilda appointment

“What he was able to maximise out of some players... who weren’t in the top half dozen of their side.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Joffaboy]

On another note, and I apologise if this has already been posted, but Lyon's qualities as Coach are again exemplified in this vid..

Took a fair bit from that.

No defined by not having a flag, but would really like one

Went to Freo, felt they had no respected and were irrelevant on the East Coast. Presser the other day, feels Saints don't have respect, Walsh said we are looked on as irrelevant.

Picks his mark being hard on players, not one size fits all. Took ownership of what he could have done better in the 09 GF (breaking the tag on Lenny, using Ball more), and the '10 drawn GF.

I think we might be getting a coach who know who he is as a coach, what he wants to do, what he wants to achieve and the experience to achieve that.

All Bassat had to do was watch that clip to have all of his questions answered.

 

[PoppedCorn]

He was brilliant in that vid
Leader and a coach

 

[Jack Stevens]

One thing to emerge from last week’s press conference was that they admitted Ratts didn’t have the proper support around him. Or he could have had more support. What was that exactly?

He had Merrick as a mentor. He had Rath who I assume he knew quite well from Hawthorn days. And approved of. A raft of assistants etc etc.

Not a proper Football manager perhaps? Lethers doing some self reflection? What did he lack for support?

I remember when Richo was really struggling he called the club out for lack of support. The club responded by bringing in Ratts. A year later and Richo was gone, Ratts was in the big seat, but no one filled his void.

 

[sammm]

Pardon my intrusion, but I dont recall any of the media outlets suggesting Ratten was told his job was safe throughout the review?

It was at the beginning of the review that Bassett said it.

However, things change, obviously they had changed.
In hindsight it was poor to re-sign him mid year. But they did. I assume part of the way into the review, maybe they found that there were issues with the coach. Maybe they then had to make decisions to then review the coach.

I am making assumptions here. But so is everyone else.

 

[#gosaintas]

It's pretty obvious and easy to understand. It was an agreed mid season deadline. Extension was given but always subject to an acceptable season finish. The finish meant he was toast. Good.

 

[#gosaintas]

It was at the beginning of the review that Bassett said it.

However, things change, obviously they had changed.
In hindsight it was poor to re-sign him mid year. But they did. I assume part of the way into the review, maybe they found that there were issues with the coach. Maybe they then had to make decisions to then review the coach.

I am making assumptions here. But so is everyone else.

And some just love to sook. Not talking about u

 

[Sun Ra]

Brownlow Medallist's high praise for Ross Lyon ahead of looming St Kilda appointment

“What he was able to maximise out of some players... who weren’t in the top half dozen of their side.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[hayes]

Is there a podcast?

Not sure if I’m too late but it was the deadset legends podcast. Wasn’t a long spiel, probably only a few minutes. If I knew how to link it I would.

 

[DougalHoward]

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Not sure if I’m too late but it was the deadset legends podcast. Wasn’t a long spiel, probably only a few minutes. If I knew how to link it I would.

 

[Sully111]

I believe that they wanted him to feel supported and focus on getting us into the finals so re-signed him when they did because at the beginning of the year that's what they told him they'd do, give him some certainty that one way or another he'd know what the future looked like.

In July the club announced that there would be a review of the football department and in one of the clubs pressers pre or post game during that time the club said that Ratten would be safe from the review. My question is that if Ratten obviously wasn't safe, why tell him that he was, given the review hadn't determined that at that stage?

So then we get to September, where in last weeks press conference Bassat says that he knew Ratten was unlikely to continue. My question to that is why didn't Bassat communicate that to Ratten then and there, as opposed to waiting until the Sunday before they sacked him (3 and a half weeks after they knew), as Bassat explained in the same presser last week.

If they knew back in September that Ratten was not going to continue on, why did they on October 9th give him 4 days to try and "save" a job he was getting sacked from?

If all of what the club have told us so far is untrue or different in some way - why did they lie to their supporters?


I am over the damn moon that we rectified the issue of Ratten coaching us next year and seem fairdinkum about becoming a serious side again, but my goodness the mixed messaging over the last few months is really poor. We need to do a lot better.

I think they said too much in the presser.

There was no need to give away when he'd lost faith in ratten.

As for why they didn't tell him once they knew in September, maybe they were working in the background to see if Ross was interested.

Who knows... they may have stuck with Ratts if they didn't think anyone better was available.