No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[George]

I guess we’ll never no exactly what conversations occurred behind closed doors.

It’s not like the club can say “we re-signed Ratts knowing terminating the contract isn’t that big an issue”. That would make a mockery of the 6 month payout clause.

That's true. We can only go by what they've said publicly and to me that's involved a lot of flip-flopping and it has come across to me as unprofessional.

I will still back them in and back Ross in, I think we will get better with the changes they've made, but reckon they could've handled the last 3 months a lot better. Hopefully they learn from it and Lyon doesn't get put through similar - a guy who wanted to come back provided we were all on the same page and it wasn't a circus.

 

[George]

Settle down, can't you see George is a bit upset about this ?

We are having a discussion, it's okay to say that something the club has done is poor without the assumption feelings are involved.

I actually still find the whole situation surreal, but if we are looking at areas to improve then this should be highlighted. I want us to be a great football club like everyone else, all this is is someone voicing their opinion and responding.

 

[Sun Ra]

We are having a discussion, it's okay to say that something the club has done is poor without the assumption feelings are involved.

I actually still find the whole situation surreal, but if we are looking at areas to improve then this should be highlighted. I want us to be a great football club like everyone else, all this is is someone voicing their opinion and responding.

Mate, just having a laugh which as a Saints supporter is all you can do sometimes, no hard feelings.

 

[moirae42]

Anyone else at the B&F?

It was happening that far back. His speech was shit and he was not a happy camper.

 

[Diehard Saint]

On another note, and I apologise if this has already been posted, but Lyon's qualities as Coach are again exemplified in this vid..

Love this. Think he’s going to be great for our team.

 

[George]

Anyone else at the B&F?

It was happening that far back. His speech was s**t and he was not a happy camper.

Video

Senior Coach Brett Ratten addresses guests during the 2022 Trevor Barker Awards at Crown Palladium.

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[Bertha]

Anyone else at the B&F?

It was happening that far back. His speech was s**t and he was not a happy camper.

Who's speech? Ratts or Bassat?

 

[George]

Mate, just having a laugh which as a Saints supporter is all you can do sometimes, no hard feelings.

All good, sometimes hard to tell via text

 

[Bertha]

Who's speech? Ratts or Bassat?

Disregard, sorry

 

[Diehard Saint]

And he has done that after tripping and bumbling his way to the finish line.

We have to be better in all aspects and the mixed messaging isn't a good look.

Come on George, he did not “trip and bumble’.
He made an error in re-signing Ratten so early, which he owned with no excuses.

Although, like triggering bro suggested, I would not have been at all surprised if he did that purely to keep the baying media hounds quiet for the rest of the season, knowing full well that he may have to wear the payout if push came to shove. Imagine the outrage if we’d said there and then we were not going to extend him till later in the season when we were sitting 8.3?

However, as I said before, if WE could all see that was a totally flattering 8.3, you could bet your bottom dollar they could see it too.

Im sorry, but Ratts would have been an idiot to have thought his job was secure (in a sport where contracts count for very little) as the season spiralled downwards. And, as someone mentioned earlier, we could see that he was not a happy man at all at the B&F.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I guess we’ll never no exactly what conversations occurred behind closed doors.

It’s not like the club can say “we re-signed Ratts knowing terminating the contract isn’t that big an issue”. That would make a mockery of the 6 month payout clause.

Exactly. Doesn’t mean they didn’t do it though.

 

[gubby88]

What is wrong with saying that it could've been handled a lot better?

They knew he was getting sacked a month before they went and told him. Why? Why bother to put him through a fake process of trying to save his job if they already knew he was gone?

I don't understand how any of what they did is professional at all.


Why tell Ratten in July that his job was safe if the review hadn't been completed yet? They knew he was getting the arse a month before they told him. Why not be transparent with him?

These are all fair questions and the flipping and flopping from the club has opened themselves up to criticism and IMO rightly so.

Lets hope they can be more honest and upfront with their staff and the supporters from here on.

Professionalism is cutting an issue off quickly. No matter what has been done to create that issue.

You can claim its unprofessional all you want, but at the end of the day, a Professional unit will discover issues and fix said issues by any means necessary.

To me it looked like any other corporate axing. You don't cut the mustard, we find someone better. Easily fixed.

That's all it is. Anything that was said in the last 3 months....moot. this is business and they want to be successful. Ratts was not making us successful. The end.

You can spin it any way YOU want, but to anyone with any sort of corporate nous, it is what it is. A problem, fixed.

Solved? Well see in a couple of years. But history will suggest Ross's coaching record will see to it.

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[gubby88]

I believe that they wanted him to feel supported and focus on getting us into the finals so re-signed him when they did because at the beginning of the year that's what they told him they'd do, give him some certainty that one way or another he'd know what the future looked like.

In July the club announced that there would be a review of the football department and in one of the clubs pressers pre or post game during that time the club said that Ratten would be safe from the review. My question is that if Ratten obviously wasn't safe, why tell him that he was, given the review hadn't determined that at that stage?

So then we get to September, where in last weeks press conference Bassat says that he knew Ratten was unlikely to continue. My question to that is why didn't Bassat communicate that to Ratten then and there, as opposed to waiting until the Sunday before they sacked him (3 and a half weeks after they knew), as Bassat explained in the same presser last week.

If they knew back in September that Ratten was not going to continue on, why did they on October 9th give him 4 days to try and "save" a job he was getting sacked from?

If all of what the club have told us so far is untrue or different in some way - why did they lie to their supporters?


I am over the damn moon that we rectified the issue of Ratten coaching us next year and seem fairdinkum about becoming a serious side again, but my goodness the mixed messaging over the last few months is really poor. We need to do a lot better.

Messaging was fine. Coach did well, got extension. Coach did poor, coach was sacked. It's no different to any other sport

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[gubby88]

I know they didn't because Bassat said so in the press conference last week. He said he told Ratten on Sunday October 9th that he was unlikely to coach next year, despite in the same press conference saying that he knew about this for an entire month prior.

If these statements by Bassat is not what actually happened, why is he lying to St.Kilda supporters?

I think what you are taking away from that is wrong.

Maybe the review pointed to ratts as an issue, however he wanted to find a way to keep him on. In the end he couldn't so cut ties.

Bassat is an incredibly good operator, he's not unprofessional and is incredibly thorough.

Unprofessional is essendon and their coaching amd CEO drama....

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[George]

Come on George, he did not “trip and bumble’.
He made an error in re-signing Ratten so early, which he owned with no excuses.

Although, like triggering bro suggested, I would not have been at all surprised if he did that purely to keep the baying media hounds quiet for the rest of the season, knowing full well that he may have to wear the payout if push came to shove. Imagine the outrage if we’d said there and then we were not going to extend him till later in the season when we were sitting 8.3?

However, as I said before, if WE could all see that was a totally flattering 8.3, you could bet your bottom dollar they could see it too.

Im sorry, but Ratts would have been an idiot to have thought his job was secure (in a sport where contracts count for very little) as the season spiralled downwards. And, as someone mentioned earlier, we could see that he was not a happy man at all at the B&F.

I think he did. I think he and the club easily could've handled this better, to me it looked sloppy and I would appreciate if we were upfront and honest in future to not only our supporters but to people actually employed at the club. Bassat didn't need to say much of what he said at the presser but he did so if you look at the timeline you can see it's been mixed messaging pretty much since the review began. Strip back your support of the club and I think it's easy to look at the situation and see how the flip-flopping has led to criticism. I think it's warranted. Hopefully we learn and do better and in future Bassat and the club clearly articulate the happenings of the club if they do intend to speak publicly on these things in future.

Professionalism is cutting an issue off quickly. No matter what has been done to create that issue.

You can claim its unprofessional all you want, but at the end of the day, a Professional unit will discover issues and fix said issues by any means necessary.

To me it looked like any other corporate axing. You don't cut the mustard, we find someone better. Easily fixed.

That's all it is. Anything that was said in the last 3 months....moot. this is business and they want to be successful. Ratts was not making us successful. The end.

You can spin it any way YOU want, but to anyone with any sort of corporate nous, it is what it is. A problem, fixed.

Solved? Well see in a couple of years. But history will suggest Ross's coaching record will see to it.

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I'm not spinning anything I'm going on what the club has told us publicly. I do see a bunch of excuses for our shoddy management of this situation however and complete guesses as to what happened internally. We can only go by what was said to us and I think it's pretty clear to see it was poor but the hope now is that we learn from it and become better otherwise nobody will end up trusting anything the club says if they continue with the mixed messages. These processes need to be communicated clearly to the supporters, they weren't this time but hopefully next time it changes.

Messaging was fine. Coach did well, got extension. Coach did poor, coach was sacked. It's no different to any other sport

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Yeah, it's not that simple. Look at the timeline, look at what we've said about the situation publicly. It's all over the place.

 

[Teflon]

Is Lyon actually locked in?

 

[George]

I think what you are taking away from that is wrong.

Maybe the review pointed to ratts as an issue, however he wanted to find a way to keep him on. In the end he couldn't so cut ties.

Bassat is an incredibly good operator, he's not unprofessional and is incredibly thorough.

Unprofessional is essendon and their coaching amd CEO drama....

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Essendon is bottom of the barrel, we should be aiming for higher than "at least we're better than Essendon".

If the review pointed to Ratten as an issue then Bassat shouldn't have told Ratten in July that his job was safe. I mean it's pretty simple to see how badly this whole thing was managed, Bassat needs to do better.

 

[gubby88]

I think he did. I think he and the club easily could've handled this better, to me it looked sloppy and I would appreciate if we were upfront and honest in future to not only our supporters but to people actually employed at the club. Bassat didn't need to say much of what he said at the presser but he did so if you look at the timeline you can see it's been mixed messaging pretty much since the review began. Strip back your support of the club and I think it's easy to look at the situation and see how the flip-flopping has led to criticism. I think it's warranted. Hopefully we learn and do better and in future Bassat and the club clearly articulate the happenings of the club if they do intend to speak publicly on these things in future.


I'm not spinning anything I'm going on what the club has told us publicly. I do see a bunch of excuses for our shoddy management of this situation however and complete guesses as to what happened internally. We can only go by what was said to us and I think it's pretty clear to see it was poor but the hope now is that we learn from it and become better otherwise nobody will end up trusting anything the club says if they continue with the mixed messages. These processes need to be communicated clearly to the supporters, they weren't this time but hopefully next time it changes.


Yeah, it's not that simple. Look at the timeline, look at what we've said about the situation publicly. It's all over the place.

No it is that simple. You seem to be making a mountain put of a mole hill.
It's very simple.

Well coached, extension. Bad coached sacked.

It's as simple as can be. What ever was said on timeline is moot. This is business, that's how it works

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[Sun Ra]

I think he did. I think he and the club easily could've handled this better, to me it looked sloppy and I would appreciate if we were upfront and honest in future to not only our supporters but to people actually employed at the club. Bassat didn't need to say much of what he said at the presser but he did so if you look at the timeline you can see it's been mixed messaging pretty much since the review began. Strip back your support of the club and I think it's easy to look at the situation and see how the flip-flopping has led to criticism. I think it's warranted. Hopefully we learn and do better and in future Bassat and the club clearly articulate the happenings of the club if they do intend to speak publicly on these things in future.


I'm not spinning anything I'm going on what the club has told us publicly. I do see a bunch of excuses for our shoddy management of this situation however and complete guesses as to what happened internally. We can only go by what was said to us and I think it's pretty clear to see it was poor but the hope now is that we learn from it and become better otherwise nobody will end up trusting anything the club says if they continue with the mixed messages. These processes need to be communicated clearly to the supporters, they weren't this time but hopefully next time it changes.


Yeah, it's not that simple. Look at the timeline, look at what we've said about the situation publicly. It's all over the place.

You idiots are actually arguing about the chicken vs the egg. FFS move on. Who cares. Club made a mistake. For decent reasons.
Club identified and owned the mistake. Club moved on as should we my brethren.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Idiots!!

Is that more harsh than champions on the scale?!

 

[gubby88]

Essendon is bottom of the barrel, we should be aiming for higher than "at least we're better than Essendon".

If the review pointed to Ratten as an issue then Bassat shouldn't have told Ratten in July that his job was safe. I mean it's pretty simple to see how badly this whole thing was managed, Bassat needs to do better.

I'm pointing out essendon being unprofessional. That's all.

Once again, you are taking things way out of context. Just simplify it.

The review pointed out ratten was the issue, Bassett told him. Timeline doesn't make a difference.

It is exactly what it is. You can plan on sacking someone for months before telling them, but you have to make sure you have a proper remedy in place. That's all this is.
Stop towing the media line and look at it for what it is.

A well handled sacking because there has been no bad blood or anything spilt in the media..
.unlike the unprofessional essendon

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[Sun Ra]

Idiots!!

Is that more harsh than champions on the scale?!

Settle down with your Green, self indulgent ramblings wingman.

 

[George]

No it is that simple. You seem to be making a mountain put of a mole hill.
It's very simple.

Well coached, extension. Bad coached sacked.

It's as simple as can be. What ever was said on timeline is moot. This is business, that's how it works

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Nah, it's not that simple.

I am just discussing the way it was handled and responding to posts. Not every discussion needs to be a huge dramatic song and dance. If you don't think it's a big deal that's fine. Personally I think it's an area we can do better in and highlighting it because I feel the criticism is warranted and wont back down from that view.

If you have a look at everything that we came out and said publicly and line that up with what happened from July to now, and can't see any issue in how that situation was managed or believe it can't be improved, I don't know what to tell you.

Not everything we do is perfect and for the times that we do stuff up or could improve then we need to be aware of that and call it out.

 

[George]

I'm pointing out essendon being unprofessional. That's all.

Once again, you are taking things way out of context. Just simplify it.

The review pointed out ratten was the issue, Bassett told him. Timeline doesn't make a difference.

It is exactly what it is. You can plan on sacking someone for months before telling them, but you have to make sure you have a proper remedy in place. That's all this is.
Stop towing the media line and look at it for what it is.

A well handled sacking because there has been no bad blood or anything spilt in the media..
.unlike the unprofessional essendon

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Why should I simplify it? It was a complicated issue and nuance is important. Pretty silly way to assess a situation by saying "good coach signed, bad coach sacked" lol. There's a process between those two points and that's what is being discussed.

I ask you again - if the review pointed to Ratten as an issue, why did Bassat tell him his job was safe before the review was finished? If Bassat knew Ratten's job was finished in September, why did he wait four weeks to let him know that? Why did Bassat give a guy 4 days to save a job he was getting sacked from regardless?

Nobody is towing a media line mate, this is all coming from the club.

 

[George]

You idiots are actually arguing about the chicken vs the egg. FFS move on. Who cares. Club made a mistake. For decent reasons.
Club identified and owned the mistake. Club moved on as should we my brethren.

Yeah, again, it's a discussion. If you want to talk about something else instead of trying to shout people down, then do that. If you don't want to involve yourself in it, don't.