No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

[King_Steele]

Heard from two different, very good sources that it will be RTB who will take the gig with the idea of handing it on to a coach that is groomed under him. However one of the sources thinks this will be Hayes while the other thinks it’ll be another coach we bring in to fill out our coachin staff ie. new forwards coach.
Yze maybe

Even better. Yze would be my preference

 

[Saintbloke]

Corey Enright anyone?

In the bag I reckon

 

[Moquo]

Stanley and Cripps?

Cripps still breast-feeding... just a baby

 

[hayes]

* succession
He coaches now to win flags now
None of this I'll get it close and then someone else gets the chocolates

Sure if he falls short after 5 or so years then hand it on to lenny, but if hw comes in he is coming to win premiership and there is no talk of a succession plan


Imo

Yeah I can’t see Ross signing up for a succession plan. His ego is too big to not think he’s the man to do it. If he’s back, he’s back.

 

[plugger66]

Cripps still breast-feeding... just a baby

Yes had a terrible career. I remember big mouth bagging him all the time. Think Jamie has had the last laugh

 

[Bertha]

The only two I can find are Matthews - sacked by Collingwood then he went on to win 3 with Brisbane; and Blight - got fired by the Cats (I think?) before winning a couple of flags with Adelaide.

Apart from that none that I can find. But I'm not sure if that's because clubs generally don't like hiring recycled coaches.

Didn't Malthouse coach at Footscray before going to WCE and getting one there, then went to Collingwood a d did it theee too?

I can't remember if he was sacked at Footscray and/or WCE.

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[Saintos The ITK]

We did have a bit of an aura about us when Ross coached.

 

[Moquo]

Yes had a terrible career. I remember big mouth bagging him all the time. Think Jamie has had the last laugh

Was he the one that didn't have a pic? Good times!

 

[triggering bro]

We did have a bit of an aura about us when Ross coached.

So did Freo. Makes the club relevant!

 

[The Boar]

Heard from two different, very good sources that it will be RTB who will take the gig with the idea of handing it on to a coach that is groomed under him. However one of the sources thinks this will be Hayes while the other thinks it’ll be another coach we bring in to fill out our coachin staff ie. new forwards coach.
Yze maybe

Love this.
Get Yze in for the Forward Line.

Let Yze, Hayes and Enright all duke it out for 2 years under Ross, best one gets the succession during Year 3.

 

[Mangus]

Could well be jumping at shadows and Media clickbait but I am onboard the Ross bandwagon let's right the wrongs of the past. He put the best most organised and toughest Saints teams on the field I have seen. I was shattered by the end of 2010 and I suspect the whole club was as well. The thought of going again was frankly a bit too much for me just a passionate fan, imagine how those who had committed body and soul felt in 2011 and 2012. Most of that run was completely led by Ross and the core playing group the rest of the club was a shambles. The bubble was necessary to stop the rot that was in the rest of the club infecting the playing group. It is no wonder it all fell apart the pressure on those guys was intense after 2010 the bubble burst and the rot set in. Can't blame him for cutting and running at that point.

I am still amazed a side like GWS or the Suns haven't jumped at him before now. His last couple of years at Freo were tough but not many can navigate the drop after your tilt at a flag is over. Even the super coach Clarkson couldn't manage that.

He is unfairly judged as the architect of the ugly defensive game plans of that period. Really that started with Roos and Worsfold, the best teams of that era all went defence first each one tinkering and improving on the previous.

Swans with their defensive flood
Worsfolds keepings off
Clarksons midfield zones
Ross Forward pressure zoning
Malthouse tweaking Ross's gameplan

Rather than expecting him to trott out the old gameplan we should be excited that we will have a coach that has proven he can see where the game is going and get ahead of the curve tactically. I could be wrong but I don't think he is one trick pony.

Appointing him is not without risks:

• He is 55 not 40 and has baulked at other opportunities, that might show some hesitation on whether he still has the drive. Ultimately I think that was more about him wanting to be sure he was going to a club that was all in on the decision. I suspect his time at St Kilda taught him to be wary of clubs with divided boards and admin.
• He has to work with others not run the whole show if we are going to improve and he has to work with Walsh and Lethlean. He will need to buy into the strategy that we set as a club and stick to his lane. This fear is probably more based on his time with us than with Freo and probably a reflection on the incompetence of the rest of the club last time around.
• It is a bit concerning based on the Peter Ryan articles that these decisions appear to be being made on Lindsay Foxes birthday cruise with Fox and Gerry Ryan and other long gone power brokers from the 80s and 90s but I assume that is just scuttlebutt

If it happens there is some kind of karmic circle at play

From Great Coach (Lyon)-> Worst Coach Ever (Watters) -> Semi Competent (Richo) -> Decent Coach (Ratten) -> back to Ross. 10 years to get back to where we should have been if we had a half competent admin in 2012.

Final Caveat:
Having said all that we are St Kilda and this will probably turn out to be a disaster based on historical precedent.

 

[DougalHoward]

So did Freo. Makes the club relevant!

Hirdy would bring his own aura I reckon

 

[Bertha]

Hirdy would bring his own aura I reckon

Dank + the Weapon?

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[Sully111]

Watched some RTB press conference highlights today. Great stuff.

 

[plugger66]

Was he the one that didn't have a pic? Good times!

No idea. I know Arryn sippos didn’t like him.

 

[sauce_head]

Quiz question - off the top of your head name the two players still playing who RTB coached in his last year at the club?

Ross & ???

 

[stavro#4]

St Kilda hired former North Melbourne list boss Glenn Luff to analyse the Saints’ playing list as part of the club’s review into the football program.
News Corp can reveal Luff presented to a working committee led by president Andrew Bassat that included new chief executive Simon Lethlean, board member Jason Blake

Jason Blake

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91kg

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Last 5

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13.2

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6.3

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6.8

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4.9

5star

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2.0

4star

No current season stats available

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8.6

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5.4

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3.2

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2.8

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and ex-Kangaroos coach David Noble.

Luff, who is now a golf operations manager at Bundoora Park after resigning mid-year from North Melbourne, also spent 17 years at Champion Data as an AFL analyst.

 

[gringo2011]

Yeah I rate the 2004-05 list better than the 2009-10 list, but the 04 tactics weren't anywhere near as refined as five years later (a hell of a lot more fun to watch though hehe).

If Lyon was at St Kilda in 04 onwards (either as tactical assistant or senior coach), I'm confident saying we'd have multiple premierships, a real dynasty. Instead, he was at Sydney winning them theirs.

GT had really bad injury luck. So many seasons got ruined by players going down. 2004 was a great list when all got on the park.

 

[triggering bro]

St Kilda hired former North Melbourne list boss Glenn Luff to analyse the Saints’ playing list as part of the club’s review into the football program.
News Corp can reveal Luff presented to a working committee led by president Andrew Bassat that included new chief executive Simon Lethlean, board member Jason Blake and ex-Kangaroos coach David Noble.

Luff, who is now a golf operations manager at Bundoora Park after resigning mid-year from North Melbourne, also spent 17 years at Champion Data as an AFL analyst.

Luff told them the club is underperforming based on the battle??

 

[sauce_head]

Heard from two different, very good sources that it will be RTB who will take the gig with the idea of handing it on to a coach that is groomed under him. However one of the sources thinks this will be Hayes while the other thinks it’ll be another coach we bring in to fill out our coachin staff ie. new forwards coach.
Yze maybe

What have past transitions told us?

 

[prophetic1]

Quite beautiful and apt.
In prose you captured how I feel.
Sad for him but actually relieved for the club.

Bassett was considerate and compassionate to the man and considered and deliberate with the decision that needed to be made and acted accordingly.

Cannot see the coaching selection process being any different. If Ross plays the game to Bassett's rules it is his job to lose.

But he does need a strong hand to keep him in line and I like the term an offensive coordinator.

Go hard after Selwood.

Anyway thank you for your comments probably the most sane commentary I have read in a 1000 posts.


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Thanks and yeah SELWOOD in any capacity to assist the playing group as a whole, in terms of attitude required in achieving the holy grail and especially the voice in the new Coach's ear. I love LENNY being there...and what a combo of experience with LENNY and SELWOOD.

 

[sauce_head]

Hirdy would bring his own aura I reckon

Not sure glow in the dark orange is what we are looking for!

 

[Jezzarayman]

By the way. Someone we should keep an eye on regarding Ross

Caroline Wilson.

Wont surprise me if she has the scoop

Follow the money

 

[sauce_head]

Thanks and yeah SELWOOD in any capacity to assist the playing group as a whole, in terms of attitude required in achieving the holy grail and especially the voice in the new Coach's ear. I love LENNY being there...and what a combo of experience with LENNY and SELWOOD.

I’m not sure I want the head butter near the club. I can imagine they all start ducking and shrugging and initiating high contact and the umpires will just ignore it.

 

[Saint Shags]

St Kilda hired former North Melbourne list boss Glenn Luff to analyse the Saints’ playing list as part of the club’s review into the football program.
News Corp can reveal Luff presented to a working committee led by president Andrew Bassat that included new chief executive Simon Lethlean, board member Jason Blake and ex-Kangaroos coach David Noble.

Luff, who is now a golf operations manager at Bundoora Park after resigning mid-year from North Melbourne, also spent 17 years at Champion Data as an AFL analyst.

That doesn't fill me with confidence.