No Oppo Supporters St.Kilda sack Brett Ratten

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This article is from the October 15 issue of The Age Digital Edition. To subscribe, visit "Latest & Breaking News Melbourne, Victoria | The Age".


Peter Ryan

As Andrew Bassat pondered the ‘‘ troubling’ ’ results of the review he was conducting into the club’s football performance, he joined football and business heavyweights on luxury liner Seabourn Quest to celebrate the mad Saints’ fan and trucking magnate Lindsay Fox’s 85th birthday.

As they travelled, the Saints’ faithful, including Fox, Bassat and Gerry Ryan, did not miss the chance to discuss the club’s fortunes as they cruised from New York to Montreal while eight other teams played finals , at one point separating from the party to brainstorm about what lay ahead at the club.

They were general chats among mates rather than specific deliberations on the coach, but meetings continued after Bassat returned as he realised he needed to take charge and seek opinions from a range of people on what was required to push the Saints beyond the middle rungs of the ladder.

It was dawning on him that, despite extending Brett Ratten’s contract as coach until the end of 2024 midway through the season, he did not truly see the 51-year-old in the frame when he pictured the next St Kilda coach to hold up a premiership.

Perhaps his conclusion, based on the review that he led with support from CEO Simon Lethlean, board member Jason Blake and recently sacked North Melbourne coach yet respected administrator David Noble, was not right.

He grappled with that decision while making an easier one, convincing experienced football administrator Geoff Walsh, a man who can have the hard conversations Bassat now realised should have been had earlier, to join them.

Walsh, set to start in November, made a couple of media appearances last week, where he said the industry viewed the Saints as having ‘‘ a degree of irrelevance’’ , but he was not involved in any way in the decision to remove Ratten.

That was something for Bassat and Lethlean to ponder. Former coach Ross Lyon was available. They did not need to get the Lyon on the line, but they may be able to determine his level of interest in the role without doing that. After all, finding someone who has an idea on what Lyon is thinking is not hard at the Saints.

Perhaps he could take on the role for a limited time, with the idea of handing the job over to someone in the football department being groomed for such a role. Someone like Lenny Hayes. Everyone loves Lenny.

Luke Beveridge has a year to run on his contract at the Western Bulldogs and the Saints powerbrokers have often hinted he’d be a person they would love to see in a Saints’ polo. Beveridge, however, is committed to the Bulldogs and is potentially extending beyond 2023. Nathan Buckley is heading to the US in February and is settled in the media. Leon Cameron has joined Sydney. Before extending Ratten, the Saints had been interested in Alastair Clarkson’s intentions. He has since joined North Melbourne.

The problem the club had was that fewer than 100 days had passed since they had locked in Ratten until the end of 2024. They had not made their reservations about him clear to him then, nor as they fell out of finals contention in the back half of the year.

They liked and respected him as a person and knew to make the brutal call on him would reflect poorly on them and the club. And, as their hearts grew heavier at the prospect of sacking him, they knew they had not given him every chance to succeed in his role.

They had failed Ratten and they knew it.

Finally, on Monday, less than 24 hours after the coach assessed potential talent at the combine, Bassat and Lethlean told Ratten his job was on the line. They say they wanted him to convince them they should stick with him. He fought for his job, but he could not convince them his leadership style was what the team required.

On Thursday night, the board met as the condemned Ratten waited at the club to hear his fate, and decided to end his contract and pay him out. They did not reveal his shortcomings to justify their decision, but it was clear they had decided they wanted a coach with a harder edge.

Many suspect they already know who that person is although Lethlean said yesterday that is not the case.

But the interpretation of his words ‘‘ we will act quickly and decisively’ ’ can only be that we have a target we are confident we can land. Clubs don’t go through this heartache to run a process for the next best untried assistant.

They steeled themselves for inevitable criticism in the belief the end will justify the means, and made the call.

That’s hard on Ratten and those who surround him as, for a second time in his senior coaching career, a club decided there was someone better than him to lead the club.

Carlton are yet to finish a homeand-away season in the top eight since they replaced Ratten with Mick Malthouse at the end of 2012.

The business of winning premierships is a hard business. St Kilda have been the worst at it for more than a century. Their decision-making process in the past six months deserves criticism, and many will be wondering how the head of the football department can be promoted to the CEO’s position while the coach is sacked.

But only time will tell whether Bassat and Lethlean can eventually justify the call, or whether they add to the growing dissatisfaction with the way AFL clubs treat their people.

What happened to Ratten and, before that, Ben Rutten at Essendon, can only be described as rotten.


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These guys weren’t bad either. A kick off the ground away from a grand final against a past it Brisbane ☹️


Yeah I rate the 2004-05 list better than the 2009-10 list, but the 04 tactics weren't anywhere near as refined as five years later (a hell of a lot more fun to watch though hehe).

If Lyon was at St Kilda in 04 onwards (either as tactical assistant or senior coach), I'm confident saying we'd have multiple premierships, a real dynasty. Instead, he was at Sydney winning them theirs.
 

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I think they knew Walsh was coming. That came out very early. Do we know Lyon is actually lined up? The ratts was was a shock but then again it still got out before the club wanted it to.
Correct , within 2 hrs it was in the media
 
I reckon they are the two favourites.
If it's out of Pyke and Lyon I'm going Pyke, just because he's more recently been involved in the game. I really do worry about Ross' ability to adapt and we won't know if he has or not unless we sign him. It's a risk IMO
 
Yeah I rate the 2004-05 list better than the 2009-10 list, but the 04 tactics weren't anywhere near as refined as five years later (a hell of a lot more fun to watch though hehe).

If Lyon was at St Kilda in 04 onwards (either as tactical assistant or senior coach), I'm confident saying we'd have multiple premierships, a real dynasty. Instead, he was at Sydney winning them theirs.
Entirely agree.

Even if we had a slight defensive mindset we may have won more. But then again we did score 180 point one time and beat Essendon by over 100 so there was some definite fun to it!
 
Does anyone else feel differently about the media pile-on this time around? Usually their brigading against the club frustrates me in times like this, but this time I’m finding it quite funny because anyone with half a clue knows it was the right decision, as harsh as it might’ve been for Brett.

Keep in mind that personnel changes are not necessarily about being upset with who you have, but are often driven by who is now ready, available, and willing….
 
This article is from the October 15 issue of The Age Digital Edition. To subscribe, visit "Latest & Breaking News Melbourne, Victoria | The Age".


Peter Ryan

As Andrew Bassat pondered the ‘‘ troubling’ ’ results of the review he was conducting into the club’s football performance, he joined football and business heavyweights on luxury liner Seabourn Quest to celebrate the mad Saints’ fan and trucking magnate Lindsay Fox’s 85th birthday.

As they travelled, the Saints’ faithful, including Fox, Bassat and Gerry Ryan, did not miss the chance to discuss the club’s fortunes as they cruised from New York to Montreal while eight other teams played finals , at one point separating from the party to brainstorm about what lay ahead at the club.

They were general chats among mates rather than specific deliberations on the coach, but meetings continued after Bassat returned as he realised he needed to take charge and seek opinions from a range of people on what was required to push the Saints beyond the middle rungs of the ladder.

It was dawning on him that, despite extending Brett Ratten’s contract as coach until the end of 2024 midway through the season, he did not truly see the 51-year-old in the frame when he pictured the next St Kilda coach to hold up a premiership.

Perhaps his conclusion, based on the review that he led with support from CEO Simon Lethlean, board member Jason Blake and recently sacked North Melbourne coach yet respected administrator David Noble, was not right.

He grappled with that decision while making an easier one, convincing experienced football administrator Geoff Walsh, a man who can have the hard conversations Bassat now realised should have been had earlier, to join them.

Walsh, set to start in November, made a couple of media appearances last week, where he said the industry viewed the Saints as having ‘‘ a degree of irrelevance’’ , but he was not involved in any way in the decision to remove Ratten.

That was something for Bassat and Lethlean to ponder. Former coach Ross Lyon was available. They did not need to get the Lyon on the line, but they may be able to determine his level of interest in the role without doing that. After all, finding someone who has an idea on what Lyon is thinking is not hard at the Saints.

Perhaps he could take on the role for a limited time, with the idea of handing the job over to someone in the football department being groomed for such a role. Someone like Lenny Hayes. Everyone loves Lenny.

Luke Beveridge has a year to run on his contract at the Western Bulldogs and the Saints powerbrokers have often hinted he’d be a person they would love to see in a Saints’ polo. Beveridge, however, is committed to the Bulldogs and is potentially extending beyond 2023. Nathan Buckley is heading to the US in February and is settled in the media. Leon Cameron has joined Sydney. Before extending Ratten, the Saints had been interested in Alastair Clarkson’s intentions. He has since joined North Melbourne.

The problem the club had was that fewer than 100 days had passed since they had locked in Ratten until the end of 2024. They had not made their reservations about him clear to him then, nor as they fell out of finals contention in the back half of the year.

They liked and respected him as a person and knew to make the brutal call on him would reflect poorly on them and the club. And, as their hearts grew heavier at the prospect of sacking him, they knew they had not given him every chance to succeed in his role.

They had failed Ratten and they knew it.

Finally, on Monday, less than 24 hours after the coach assessed potential talent at the combine, Bassat and Lethlean told Ratten his job was on the line. They say they wanted him to convince them they should stick with him. He fought for his job, but he could not convince them his leadership style was what the team required.

On Thursday night, the board met as the condemned Ratten waited at the club to hear his fate, and decided to end his contract and pay him out. They did not reveal his shortcomings to justify their decision, but it was clear they had decided they wanted a coach with a harder edge.

Many suspect they already know who that person is although Lethlean said yesterday that is not the case.

But the interpretation of his words ‘‘ we will act quickly and decisively’ ’ can only be that we have a target we are confident we can land. Clubs don’t go through this heartache to run a process for the next best untried assistant.

They steeled themselves for inevitable criticism in the belief the end will justify the means, and made the call.

That’s hard on Ratten and those who surround him as, for a second time in his senior coaching career, a club decided there was someone better than him to lead the club.

Carlton are yet to finish a homeand-away season in the top eight since they replaced Ratten with Mick Malthouse at the end of 2012.

The business of winning premierships is a hard business. St Kilda have been the worst at it for more than a century. Their decision-making process in the past six months deserves criticism, and many will be wondering how the head of the football department can be promoted to the CEO’s position while the coach is sacked.

But only time will tell whether Bassat and Lethlean can eventually justify the call, or whether they add to the growing dissatisfaction with the way AFL clubs treat their people.

What happened to Ratten and, before that, Ben Rutten at Essendon, can only be described as rotten.


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Wow - ruthless and apparently sadistic as well.

Imagine being so cold and heartless that you invite Ratten to plead for his job last week even though (according to some on here and the media) you'd already organised Lyon to take the job.
 

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We should hire Lyon just so we can sack the bastard properly.
That post is the 'Goddard mark in the last quarter of the 1st GF in 2010' equivalent!! I believed we were going to win the flag due to that mark and goal, but it is St Kilda, so we didn't. We appoint Lyon to be competitive again, but it's another fail and we sack him. It is soo funny and soo St Kilda!!!
 
Interesting.

Most on here seem keen on Ross Lyon as our next coach.

Not I.
I'm not keen on it, nor am I annoyed by it. To me it seems a match made in heaven having Lenny and ross back. Lenny was involved in the giants during their most successful period not too long ago and had a good relationship with ross whos proven and could've been one of the more successful coaches in the modern era if the ball bounced another way. He has some things he needs to get sorted but I don't mind ross
 
Wow - ruthless and apparently sadistic as well.

Imagine being so cold and heartless that you invite Ratten to plead for his job last week even though (according to some on here and the media) you'd already organised Lyon to take the job.
More than likely they had contacted Lyon to assess his interest.

Brett couldn’t satisfy them - at no stage do I believe they would have just keep him on anyway even if Ross has said a flat out no to a coaching return.

* Or maybe I’m just naive?
 
Damn there is a lot of love on here for Lyon.
70 30 im guessing

Some of us are over the nice guy bullshit and want higher standards
Put the support around him this time (we have a better top person running the show now)

Get good development people in too
 
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