Autopsy Sydney Legacy in Grand Finals continues 10 goal loss to the Lions

[lazy77]

Also, I'm not in the Sack Horse immediately camp, I think he has one year left of my patience. No contract renewal until after the season's end. We need to win a flag, or show that we are adapting to a style that might win one and make a good fist of it (with only injuries or other external factors stopping us).

If we don't and we don't show that we are taking winning flags as seriously as we should, then it's time for Horse to go. I can empathise with those who think 3 absolute failures of grand finals is enough chances though.

People mock the Sack Hinkley thread and that section of Port fans, and while I may disagree with some of the rhetoric, they deserve a medal having to put up with the club's lack of ambition and the section of the fan base that tolerates continual failure, and dismisses them as whingers.

Yeah, one more year sounds fair. He’s been there a long time and we will need a refresh and a new perspective eventually. I just don’t see anyone better at the moment. Cox, to me, doesn’t look ready to step up and none of the other names bandied about inspire me with confidence. People bringing up Stuart Dew and Adam Simpson… I mean, for god’s sake!

I don’t see why we couldn’t challenge again next year. The nucleus is there, we just need some canny top up trades to get us over the line. Like Taylor Adams, but actually good. If we don’t recruit well this off season, I can only see an average year that peters out like 23 did. I think Horse will walk willingly if that happens.

 

[Bloods86]

Yeah, one more year sounds fair. He’s been there a long time and we will need a refresh and a new perspective eventually. I just don’t see anyone better at the moment. Cox, to me, doesn’t look ready to step up and none of the other names bandied about inspire me with confidence. People bringing up Stuart Dew and Adam Simpson… I mean, for god’s sake!

I don’t see why we couldn’t challenge again next year. The nucleus is there, we just need some canny top up trades to get us over the line. Like Taylor Adams, but actually good. If we don’t recruit well this off season, I can only see an average year that peters out like 23 did. I think Horse will walk willingly if that happens.

I doubt we bring anyone that established in. And yes, we can certainly get back to the grand final next year, but whether we do anything other than get flogged again is an open question.

I mean, Dew was with us when we won our last flag, and with the Lions this season when they turned it around...

Simpson was with Hawthorn at the start of their 3 peat, got the Eagles to a flag a few years after what was then a fairly big loss in 2015. The Eagles thought their window was open longer than it was, and paid the price. Up to the admin and list management as much as the coach.

In any case, these have been mentioned as assistant coaches for the most part to get fresh ideas into what increasingly appears like a coaching group that doesn't know what to do at the pointy end, or to prepare a team that can perform there.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I dont care if we lose another GF in 2025 going down swinging, just show some heart ffs.

That is all.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I dont care if we lose another GF in 2025 going down swinging, just show some heart ffs.

That is all.

My feelings exactly.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Brisbane have by far the better key position players. We don’t have a beast like Lochie Neale, we don’t have a Harris Andrews and we don’t have a fairly reliable forward like Daniher. We have a flashy high scoring midfield when things are going well, but they collectively tend to disappear when we struggle and we have obvious deficiencies all over the ground. We very much overperformed in the first half of the season, while Brisbane underperformed terribly, even accounting for their injuries. Things just reverted to the mean the longer the season went.

Brisbane were one of the clear favourites to win the flag before the season started because they legitimately have an excellent list. No one had us anywhere close to the grand final. Brisbane’s list is genuinely deeper and better than ours at present.

It’s really strange how some of you are handling the loss on here. It’s just been ceaseless hyperbole and unrestrained rage, and it honestly does my head in. As disappointing as the GF was, the overwhelming negativity and total lack of perspective on here is even more so. I used to think we had one of the best fan bases in the AFL. Now I realise we’re no better than Port in this respect.

But please, continue lynching everyone associated with the club. Don’t mind me. I’m just a happy clapper after all.

I think pretty much the main rule on this forum is no personal insults, so I think we are all entitled to react however we feel, as long as it's not taking a swipe at another poster.
So therefore, you feel free to keep on happy clapping and I'll feel free to keep on raging.

 

[lazy77]

I think pretty much the main rule on this forum is no personal insults, so I think we are all entitled to react however we feel, as long as it's not taking a swipe at another poster.
So therefore, you feel free to keep on happy clapping and I'll feel free to keep on raging.

You used to be cool.

 

[Jewelsbon]

You used to be cool.

I'm sorry
That's a really nice thing to say.

Two weeks on and I'm still angry, I just can't move on. I never remember being this pissed off about something ever!
I know how stupid that sounds. In life I am a genuine glass half full person and I'm very definitely not someone that holds a grudge or maintains the rage and I don't struggle with any form of mental illness, but I'm pretty much still as filthy on the team today as I was this time two weeks ago.

A Little group of us are going on that damned Swans cruise in January, hope I've moved on by then!

 

[TheGoatBaron]

I’m a proud rager, particularly on my FB as Mister B has found out in recent times. Rage away Jewelsbon

 

[TheGoatBaron]

The stuff I sometimes say has left Mobbs in therapy. God bless his soul

 

[caesar88]

Yeah let it out Jewelsbon. You are generally the one telling us all to stop being so cranky, so I think you're entitled to a few moments yourself

 

[bedford]

I disagree. Horse has had more success over a longer period of time. Brisbane hadn’t won a grand final since 2003 until this year. But Fagan wins one with a clearly superior list and that suddenly makes him a “way better coach”? Such ****ing drivel.

Don’t get me wrong, Fagan’s a good coach, but Brisbane almost found a way to screw it up this season. That team really shouldn’t be finishing 5th in the regular season with the players at their disposal.

Turn it up he lost 4 or 5 players to serious knee injuries , he's a bloody good coach and person and so is Horse apart from GF's

 

[Tomorrow]

I'm sorry
That's a really nice thing to say.

Two weeks on and I'm still angry, I just can't move on. I never remember being this pissed off about something ever!
I know how stupid that sounds. In life I am a genuine glass half full person and I'm very definitely not someone that holds a grudge or maintains the rage and I don't struggle with any form of mental illness, but I'm pretty much still as filthy on the team today as I was this time two weeks ago.

A Little group of us are going on that damned Swans cruise in January, hope I've moved on by then!

Likewise...still utterly disappointed in their efforts on that day...gutted..

hopefully their 8 weeks off is not just relaxing downtime but a hollow sense of wasted opportunity....not an opportunity to win but just compete like their Bronte mortages depended upon it...

the pressure will mount pretty quickly on Horse next year if they start slowly and I expect (hope) he will adapt defensively across the ground.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Likewise...still utterly disappointed in their efforts on that day...gutted..

hopefully their 8 weeks off is not just relaxing downtime but a hollow sense of wasted opportunity....not an opportunity to win but just compete like their Bronte mortages depended upon it...

the pressure will mount pretty quickly on Horse next year if they start slowly and I expect (hope) he will adapt defensively across the ground.

Brother as Skilton once said in the change rooms your taking the loss harder than the players

 

[The King!]

I just can't accept watching us piss away finals year after year by basically not showing for the first half time and time again.

Fagan went out in straight sets etc but were the games over at half time ?

Horse is stubborn tactically and too stubborn to walk away.

He seems an excellent person and a great relationship builder but seems incapable of changing tactics during a year let alone a game and for whatever reason guys aren't ready to play when it matters.

 

[tombomb]

I'm sorry
That's a really nice thing to say.

Two weeks on and I'm still angry, I just can't move on. I never remember being this pissed off about something ever!
I know how stupid that sounds. In life I am a genuine glass half full person and I'm very definitely not someone that holds a grudge or maintains the rage and I don't struggle with any form of mental illness, but I'm pretty much still as filthy on the team today as I was this time two weeks ago.

A Little group of us are going on that damned Swans cruise in January, hope I've moved on by then!

I've spent 2 weeks trying to reconcile how I am feeling, but to me it feels a bit like when trust is broken.

When Hayward was limping around for most of the second half of the year and had his knee strapped up like a mummy and they kept picking him, I just trusted that the club knew what is best and he wouldn't benefit from a rest.

When Grundy started slowing down after the first 10 rounds and looked like he needed a freshen up, but we kept playing him and we kept being told how he didn't need a rest, I just trusted the club.

When Parker spends the first two thirds of the season out of the team and we are being told how valuable he is and he is all onboard with everything and Pridham is saying he won't be traded because he is 'part of the furniture', I just trusted the club.

When they refused to pick Sheldrick or Hamling, for even one game, all season, despite us having a glaring weakness with contested ball and tall defence, I just trusted the club. They even had Hamling playing key forward all year in the reserves. I thought that was a bit odd, but just trusted the club that they knew what they were doing. But then when Amartey missed a game, they didn't even play him.

I could keep going on and on.

Then you have McDonald who is reported in the media as not running the day before a Grand Final. I thought that you just have to trust the club that there is no way they would play an injured player again. I kind of wish one of the reporters who asked Longmire about whether he was right to play had followed up with a second question 'No, seriously John ... is he actually fit to play? Because it is an important game on the weekend'.

And then there is Warner. My initial thought is to trust the club, that they know what they are doing. They must believe that Warner is a good chance to re-sign because it would be insane to not maximise his value now while he is under contract. But I just don't trust them anymore. There is every chance he has already asked out and we said no and we are just setting ourselves up to lose him in 12 months for 30% of his value.

Anyway, it's been a rough couple of weeks. I don't trust the club anymore with a lot of things.

 

[Jewelsbon]

I've spent 2 weeks trying to reconcile how I am feeling, but to me it feels like a bit like when trust is broken.

When Hayward was limping around for most of the second half of the year and had his knee strapped up like a mummy and they kept picking him, I just trusted that the club knew what it best and he wouldn't benefit from a rest.

When Grundy started slowing down after the first 10 rounds and looked like he needed a freshen up, but we kept playing him and kept being told how he didn't need a rest, I just trusted the club.

When Parker spends the first two thirds of the season out of the team and we are being told how valuable he is and he is all onboard with everything and Pridham is saying he won't be traded because he is 'part of the furniture', I just trusted the club.

When they refused to pick Sheldrick or Hamling, for even one game, all season, despite us having a glaring weakness with contested ball and tall defence, I just trusted the club. They even had Hamling playing key forward all year in the reserves. I thought that was a bit odd, but just trusted the club that they knew what they were doing. But then Amartey missed a game, they didn't even play him.

I could keep going on and on.

Then you have McDonald who is reported in the media as not running the day before a Grand Final. I thought that you just have to trust the club that there is no way they would play an injured player again. I kind of wish one of the reporters who asked Longmire about whether he was right to play had followed up with a second question 'No, seriously John ... is he actually fit to play? Because it is an important game on the weekend'.

And then there is Warner. My initial thought is to trust the club, that they know what they are doing. They must believe that Warner is a good chance to re-sign because it would be insane to not maximise his value now while he is under contract. But I just don't trust them anymore. There is every chance he has already asked out and we said no and we are just setting ourselves up to lose him in 12 months for 30% of his value.

Anyway, it's been a rough couple of weeks. I just don't trust the club anymore with a lot of things.

I hear you Tom, boy do I hear you

 

[The King!]

Yep you do want to acknowledge it takes a lot to get there , but you expect that knowing that you at least see a proud effort.

The lack of competitiveness and chasing just stunned me .

2022 I think you could make a case they put some effort in and just got bullied ? maybe

 

[caesar88]

Yep you do want to acknowledge it takes a lot to get there , but you expect that knowing that you at least see a proud effort.

The lack of competitiveness and chasing just stunned me .

2022 I think you could make a case they put some effort in and just got bullied ? maybe

2022 for me looked more like rattled. The fumbles and missed kicks and stuff. You could just see they panicked and were bricking it, which obviously makes being a decent footy team quite a challenge.

This year they literally just looked disinterested. Hardly anyone seemed to even want to stand for anything.

 

[Forever2012]

I'm sorry
That's a really nice thing to say.

Two weeks on and I'm still angry, I just can't move on. I never remember being this pissed off about something ever!
I know how stupid that sounds. In life I am a genuine glass half full person and I'm very definitely not someone that holds a grudge or maintains the rage and I don't struggle with any form of mental illness, but I'm pretty much still as filthy on the team today as I was this time two weeks ago.

A Little group of us are going on that damned Swans cruise in January, hope I've moved on by then!

Don't worry you won't be alone, my daughter and I are also going on the bloody cruise and I am still insanely angry too!

 

[Day_night_honourer]

Don't worry you won't be alone, my daughter and I are also going on the bloody cruise and I am still insanely angry too!

I still would’ve loved to go on that!
During the trip could you talk JPK back out of retirement for us please?

 

[bedford]

I've spent 2 weeks trying to reconcile how I am feeling, but to me it feels a bit like when trust is broken.

When Hayward was limping around for most of the second half of the year and had his knee strapped up like a mummy and they kept picking him, I just trusted that the club knew what is best and he wouldn't benefit from a rest.

When Grundy started slowing down after the first 10 rounds and looked like he needed a freshen up, but we kept playing him and we kept being told how he didn't need a rest, I just trusted the club.

When Parker spends the first two thirds of the season out of the team and we are being told how valuable he is and he is all onboard with everything and Pridham is saying he won't be traded because he is 'part of the furniture', I just trusted the club.

When they refused to pick Sheldrick or Hamling, for even one game, all season, despite us having a glaring weakness with contested ball and tall defence, I just trusted the club. They even had Hamling playing key forward all year in the reserves. I thought that was a bit odd, but just trusted the club that they knew what they were doing. But then when Amartey missed a game, they didn't even play him.

I could keep going on and on.

Then you have McDonald who is reported in the media as not running the day before a Grand Final. I thought that you just have to trust the club that there is no way they would play an injured player again. I kind of wish one of the reporters who asked Longmire about whether he was right to play had followed up with a second question 'No, seriously John ... is he actually fit to play? Because it is an important game on the weekend'.

And then there is Warner. My initial thought is to trust the club, that they know what they are doing. They must believe that Warner is a good chance to re-sign because it would be insane to not maximise his value now while he is under contract. But I just don't trust them anymore. There is every chance he has already asked out and we said no and we are just setting ourselves up to lose him in 12 months for 30% of his value.

Anyway, it's been a rough couple of weeks. I don't trust the club anymore with a lot of things.

Your 1 of mine

 

[Caj]

Brisbane have by far the better key position players. We don’t have a beast like Lochie Neale, we don’t have a Harris Andrews

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and we don’t have a fairly reliable forward like Daniher. We have a flashy high scoring midfield when things are going well, but they collectively tend to disappear when we struggle and we have obvious deficiencies all over the ground. We very much overperformed in the first half of the season, while Brisbane underperformed terribly, even accounting for their injuries. Things just reverted to the mean the longer the season went.

Brisbane were one of the clear favourites to win the flag before the season started because they legitimately have an excellent list. No one had us anywhere close to the grand final. Brisbane’s list is genuinely deeper and better than ours at present.

It’s really strange how some of you are handling the loss on here. It’s just been ceaseless hyperbole and unrestrained rage, and it honestly does my head in. As disappointing as the GF was, the overwhelming negativity and total lack of perspective on here is even more so. I used to think we had one of the best fan bases in the AFL. Now I realise we’re no better than Port in this respect.

But please, continue lynching everyone associated with the club. Don’t mind me. I’m just a happy clapper after all.

We’re not lynching everyone, just Longmire

It’s not rage, we’re all well past that, unfortunately it’s resignation as despite his ineptness he’ll coach again next year and we’ll piss away another season

 

[fit 4 life]

I've spent 2 weeks trying to reconcile how I am feeling, but to me it feels a bit like when trust is broken.

When Hayward was limping around for most of the second half of the year and had his knee strapped up like a mummy and they kept picking him, I just trusted that the club knew what is best and he wouldn't benefit from a rest.

When Grundy started slowing down after the first 10 rounds and looked like he needed a freshen up, but we kept playing him and we kept being told how he didn't need a rest, I just trusted the club.

When Parker spends the first two thirds of the season out of the team and we are being told how valuable he is and he is all onboard with everything and Pridham is saying he won't be traded because he is 'part of the furniture', I just trusted the club.

When they refused to pick Sheldrick or Hamling, for even one game, all season, despite us having a glaring weakness with contested ball and tall defence, I just trusted the club. They even had Hamling playing key forward all year in the reserves. I thought that was a bit odd, but just trusted the club that they knew what they were doing. But then when Amartey missed a game, they didn't even play him.

I could keep going on and on.

Then you have McDonald who is reported in the media as not running the day before a Grand Final. I thought that you just have to trust the club that there is no way they would play an injured player again. I kind of wish one of the reporters who asked Longmire about whether he was right to play had followed up with a second question 'No, seriously John ... is he actually fit to play? Because it is an important game on the weekend'.

And then there is Warner. My initial thought is to trust the club, that they know what they are doing. They must believe that Warner is a good chance to re-sign because it would be insane to not maximise his value now while he is under contract. But I just don't trust them anymore. There is every chance he has already asked out and we said no and we are just setting ourselves up to lose him in 12 months for 30% of his value.

Anyway, it's been a rough couple of weeks. I don't trust the club anymore with a lot of things.

Thank you, these are all the thoughts I have been having, just like you said, all those bad decisions, I was saying it at the time, Why are we not resting players when we were in such a great position, you could see certain players just getting tired and the injuries as you say are just unexplainable, totally agree about Warner, I have no trust anymore.

 

[caesar88]

We’re not lynching everyone, just Longmire

It’s not rage, we’re all well past that, unfortunately it’s resignation as despite his ineptness he’ll coach again next year and we’ll piss away another season

Yeah at least for me this feels like a definite shift in how I perceive Horse. The mistakes just keep racking up, and it's easy to accept them when you're building a team in pursuit of a flag, it's another thing when those mistakes start costing you flags.

I'm a bit done with him tbh.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I'm already over the loss, but it's moreso due to apathy rather than having come to terms with it.

The team have an opportunity to respond. Hawthorn's 3-peat started with a GF loss, as did Penrith's 4-peat. Granted, neither of those teams got belted in their first appearance.

The challenge is there, I don't think anyone's under any false illusions that it's not going to be a tough slog to get back there. But at the very least we'll find out a little more about the character of the team.