List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[bh90210fan]

Yes but when that WAFL club was the Perth Demons however....
Less impressive

I look at it the other way, kicking over 2 goals per game in that side puts him not only in the conversation for most talented draft prospect of the last ten years, but also the greatest footballer of all time honours.

 

[Astro7]

A player profile for Harley Reid. Trying something new, feedback is welcome.

Like 'WOW', the complete package! I know its all been said before, but he has the Judd/Cuzz/Dusty moves. Why would you not draft him with #1? Even if he only stays 2 years (unlikely), he'd rub off onto the other mids. Imagine Reid, Ginbey, Culley, Hewett and Kelly! Dream team...

 

[mattyc75]

No just like you and 99% of everyone else I haven't sat in on any player interviews.


2. I read that the Metro boys in next years top 5 plus Draper who the Crows are super keen on have questions on flight risk.

Didn't make it up myself to 'throw it up there'.

Unlike some on here who sound like they are talking in broad sweeping terms I've gone and done some research into the 2024 draft. Lots of quality mids. More than this season and deeper. Not many quality talls rated at this time and the 1st rated WA kid is mid to late 1st round ATM.

So understanding what players are in the top 4 next season you likely miss out on

So if we take Reid and want a quality tall then maybe Curtin is that option and we trade our F1st to land that quality WA tall. Described as the best product out of WA in 10 years. Plus extras.

His manager described him as the best player out of wa I'm 10 years right?

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[Truckosaurus]

IF
The Eagles don't trade their future first in 2023

THEN
I look forward to the same discussion about trading our next future first in the "trade & Draft Discussion 2024 post season" thread in 12 months time

12 months? They'll be discussing it 22 November 2023.

 

[bh90210fan]

Can anyone hook a brother up with some info on where to find a killer tea koozie?

 

[Barrybran]

I think crows would scoff at giving up 10 14 and f1 personally.

We would want two top 10 picks for our F1. The Crows have one, and that won't be pick 10 by the time it is used. Adding their F1 would be required. I'm seeing Crows fans saying they need midfielders. Who are they getting with 10 & 14 this year?

 

[eaglevision]

We would want two top 10 picks for our F1. The Crows have one, and that won't be pick 10 by the time it is used. Adding their F1 would be required. I'm seeing Crows fans saying they need midfielders. Who are they getting with 10 & 14 this year?

Absolutely has to include their F1. I’ve had a bit of a chat with them on their board about the above. Actually very reasonable supporters. Feedback was mixed, some jumped at the Draper carrot, some didn’t. If we finished bottom 2 they could probably drop pick 1-2 back to pick 4-5 like GCS, still get Draper, don’t burn their 1R on Welsh bid and get whatever currency they can get from sliding to 4-5. Enticing.

 

[Obeanie1]

So why do you want Curtin so much? You avoided my main question.

Oh point 1. What do I think Curtin will become? Why do I want Curtin so much?

Well the way I look at these things its all numbers and risk v reward. And its NOT all about Curtin. TBH its bloody annoying when people focus on Curtin and not the entire deal. Its also about who else comes in by splitting a F1st AND can the club still retain the picks in 2024 ,including future 2025 picks, to still get their target. Any issues with that?

I see Curtin as close to a Hurn quality half back but obviously taller. Play him on the resting ruck and he will run off, intercept and create all day.

He could be a tall winger and pinch hit on ball. A swing forward option? And leadership group material in time. He has the physical attributes of Bont but I dont base any trade of a F1st on Curtin being that level.

Now that for me is a pretty solid resume.

Now if we also get Melbournes pick 11 that could get us one of Wilson or Windsor. One of the two highest rated wingers / half forwards this draft. 30 posession runners and Wilson with inside mid potential and can also play half back.

And then the Dees F1st. Dont care when it lands. If we want to move up we use our 2nd or future picks if needed plus maybe any picks from player trades / free agency moves. Or as suggested we trade that for an out of contract Busslinger.

If the club is dead set in love with a top 3 rated kid next year then they dont do it. Not a problem.

However if the club really rates Curtin and they are happy to slide and select in the middle of the 2024 1st round (potentially by upgrading picks) then they should go for it.

We bring in Reid, Curtin and Wilson they potentially play round 1 2024. And would not be at all surprised if all three ended up Rising Star nominees that year.

Edit: And to be clear I expect our F1st alone will not get three 1st round picks. We will need to add a second rounder or maybe two 3rds.

 

[briztoon]

Seems one of the biggest conjectures at the moment is do we use our F1 in a trade or not.
Most presume we will be bottom 3 next year including other clubs, I would think.

Trade it now for some picks now and we finish bottom couple and it could be a line ball decision. If we actually have a bit of a jump and finish above 10th and it is an absolute win, particularly if we have involved another future pick with a club that falls.

Just a bit of history on some clubs that had improvement from down the bottom.
Adelaide went from 14th to 2nd in 2011/12
Brissy 18th-15th-2nd in 17/18/19
Pies 17th-4th in 21/22
Dons 18th-7th in 16/17
Swans 16th-6th in 20/21
WCE 16 (spoon) - 4th in 10/11
Dogs 14th-6th in 14/15

So it does happen and pretty much a team has made that jump every year since we did it in 2011-2011, last time we finished that low.
If we do be that team next year it could be an absolute masterstroke to get multiple 1st round picks for one.

Yes we are going through a rebuild and have lost a lot of experience in the past year or two but much of that experience were not getting out on the park anyway so that experience was going to the young bloods who may not of gotten it otherwise therefore pushing us a bit quicker in said rebuild.

If we can get another top 10 this year and possibly next year to add to Reid for giving up something that we don't even know what it will be I am a yes.

Your current list, going in to this year’s draft, is in no way comparable to where Brisbane’s was, going in to the 2018 draft.

Especially as we just traded in Lachie Neale, Luke Hodge, Jarrod Lyons, Linc McCarthy and Marcus Adams. Not to mention Charlie Cameron the year before.

And we had just drafted 5 players in the first round of the previous 2 drafts.

 

[Eagles 2024]

There's no talls, other than Walter, in range of those picks though. They can use their teens picks to address those needs.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Oh point 1. What do I think Curtin will become? Why do I want Curtin so much?

Well the way I look at these things its all numbers and risk v reward. And its NOT all about Curtin. TBH its bloody annoying when people focus on Curtin and not the entire deal. Its also about who else comes in by splitting a F1st AND can the club still retain the picks in 2024 ,including future 2025 picks, to still get their target. Any issues with that?

I see Curtin as close to a Hurn quality half back but obviously taller. Play him on the resting ruck and he will run off, intercept and create all day.

He could be a tall winger and pich hit on ball. A swing foreard option? And leadership group material in time. He has the physical attributes of Bont but I dont base any trade of a F1st on Curtin being that level.

Now that for me is a pretty solid resume.

Now if we also get Melbournes pick 11 that could get us one of Wilson or Windsor. One of the two highest rated wingers / half forwards this draft. 30 posession runners and Wilson with inside mid potential and can also play half back.

And then the Dees F1st. Dont care when it lands. If we want to move up we use our 2nd or future picks if needed plus maybe any picks from player trades / free agency moves. Or as suggested we trade that for an out of contract Busslinger.

If the club is dead set in love with a top 3 rated kid next year then they dont do it. Not a problem.

However if the club really rates Curtin and they are happy to slide and select in the middle of the 2024 1st round (potentially by upgrading picks) then they should go for it.

We bring in Reid, Curtin and Wilson they potentially play round 1 2024. And would not be at all surprised if all three ended up Rising Star nominees that year.

I agree there's merit in looking at trading our future 1st on draft night if someone we really rate slides

I just think we should temper expectations as to what the trade looks like if we do. The club we trade it to will be well aware of the leverage they would have in that circumstance. Some of the expectations on here are fantasy stuff imo

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Your current list, going in to this year’s draft, is in no way comparable to where Brisbane’s was, going in to the 2018 draft.

Especially as we just traded in Lachie Neale, Luke Hodge, Jarrod Lyons, Linc McCarthy and Marcus Adams. Not to mention Charlie Cameron the year before.

And we had just drafted 5 players in the first round of the previous 2 drafts.

True. If at the start of next year we add a couple more players and a few mature players we could be on track.

 

[noobermensch]

Those are some mighty fine highlights, thanks for providing them throughout the offseason so far. I really like the way you’ve broken them down into mini subgroups to show off his strengths, great idea

Are you familiar with Reid’s water bottle preference by any chance?

Thanks for the feedback on the format/structure of the video, that was what I was after!

I feel like the water bottle comment is an in joke that's gone way over my head.

 

[bh90210fan]

Thanks for the feedback on the format/structure of the video, that was what I was after!

I feel like the water bottle comment is an in joke that's gone way over my head.

We don’t joke about water bottles on this board my friend

 

[mattyc75]

Absolutely has to include their F1. I’ve had a bit of a chat with them on their board about the above. Actually very reasonable supporters. Feedback was mixed, some jumped at the Draper carrot, some didn’t. If we finished bottom 2 they could probably drop pick 1-2 back to pick 4-5 like GCS, still get Draper, don’t burn their 1R on Welsh bid and get whatever currency they can get from sliding to 4-5. Enticing.

So where has all the draper to crows talk come from? Is it a curtin like scenario?

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[Obeanie1]

I agree there's merit in looking at trading our future 1st on draft night if someone we really rate slides

I just think we should temper expectations as to what the trade looks like if we do. The club we trade it to will be well aware of the leverage they would have in that circumstance. Some of the expectations on here are fantasy stuff imo

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

So what drink bottles are we all rocking?
I’m a yeti man myself. I just bought another one under the guise of wanting something replaceable and not the time released colours but it turns out they’re discontinuing the stainless steel numbers which is sad.

Still. Good drink bottles. Recommend

 

[BartBart]

Here is the HUN ranking

I have in the second column the pick number needed to take the player (ie takes out the players not available in the open draft). Reading it, if the draft went by this as best available and no trading, we would take Harley, Will Green and Clay Hall at our first 3 picks.

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Just note that we won't have the 37th pick (not counting bids) with some/all 5 GC's picks disappearing before our 37.

I.e. bids push it back from 37 then the GC points payment drag them back. So it will be around 38 ish player overall (around the Moir spot in your list).

 

[eaglevision]

So where has all the draper to crows talk come from? Is it a curtin like scenario?

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He was BOG (or very close) for SA in every U18 champs game as an underager then won their MVP. He’s a July birthday too which makes it even more impressive.

In addition to that, Welsh (F/S) is predicted a mid/late 1st round bid which they will be very keen to get ahead of.

 

[briztoon]

True. If at the start of next year we add a couple more players and a few mature players we could be on track.

End of next year, but yes.

 

[twce13]

I agree there's merit in looking at trading our future 1st on draft night if someone we really rate slides

I just think we should temper expectations as to what the trade looks like if we do. The club we trade it to will be well aware of the leverage they would have in that circumstance. Some of the expectations on here are fantasy stuff imo

This.

The dee's 6 + 11 + f1 and crows two firsts + f1 is complete fantasy.

Take the bias out.

 

[briztoon]

Just note that we won't have the 37th pick (not counting bids) with some/all 5 GC's picks disappearing before our 37.

I.e. bids push it back from 37 then the GC points payment drag them back. So it will be around 38 ish player overall (around the Moir spot in your list).

3 of GC’s picks don’t disappear. They move up the draft order to where the bids are made for each of their academy kids.

Plus you factor in bids on Croft and McCabe.

With those 5 kids, 37 is staying exactly where it is.

Bids on Graham and Cleary before 37 will push it back 2 spots.

If GC trade out any of their picks before 37 for later picks worth more points, that’ll push 37 back as well.

 

[BartBart]

3 of GC’s picks don’t disappear. They move up the draft order to where the bids are made for each of their academy kids.

Plus you factor in bids on Croft and McCabe.

With those 5 kids, 37 is staying exactly where it is.

Bids on Graham and Cleary before 37 will push it back 2 spots.

If GC trade out any of their picks before 37 for later picks worth more points, that’ll push 37 back as well.

If you look at his 2nd column it takes account of bids moving down due to bids, but not then moving back up due to points payment (the yellow bar over 37 which is our nominal 3rd pick should be higher).

(pushed to 43 on draft night by bids, but then dragged back up to around 38 on draft night).

I.e. pick 39 ish now will be roughly pick 39 on draft night.

 

[ronpingwins]

Sound logic

 

[ep2018]

I agree there's merit in looking at trading our future 1st on draft night if someone we really rate slides

I just think we should temper expectations as to what the trade looks like if we do. The club we trade it to will be well aware of the leverage they would have in that circumstance. Some of the expectations on here are fantasy stuff imo

Trading our future first would realistically only net us the pick we want through live trade only.

Doubt we trade the pick in any case.