List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Mop]

Had a dream last night that at the very last minute we split pick 1 with Melbourne and drafted O'Sullivan + Schoenmaker.

I woke up very unhappy.

Nostradamus, is that you?

 

[eaglevision]

Disagree, there zero incentive there for GWS

Only way this gets down, IF Curtin slides to 10.

Deal direct with Crows, because they can target Draper and get a pick in before Welsh (top 12 this stage)

Dispite Curtin sliding, I was always a huge fan on the below

WCE F1, F2 and 37 for AC 10, 14, 20 and F1

Hit the draft with 1, 10, 14, 20 ans 23 and a top 14 next year

I thought you disagreed with my suggestion on this one, or were you talking about who I’d use the picks on? If the later who would you be picking?

 

[SumaGodCoach]

This trade makes a lot of sense for both sides. WCE trades 37 and F2 to Gold Coast for 24 and F2(tied to BL).

Gold Coast loses 300 points this year but gains 400 if we don't bid on Walter. They also upgrade their draft hand next year.

We end up with the first 2 picks of day 2 which gives us more flexibility in who we can take. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a trade like this happens as soon as the clock starts.

 

[Obeanie1]

Hawthorn are the fly in the ointment....They've bought in Ginnivan at reasonable cost.
I suspect they'll be more than likely calling Curtins name come draft night.

They are drafting a father son CHB later in the 1st round.

They will jump on Watson or Duursma at pick 4 IMO. Or McKercher if North blink.

They lost Brockman, Wingard with an achilles and Bruest has 1 to 2 seasons left. They need to replace3 classy goal kickers at half forward.

 

[WCE_Phill]

I thought you disagreed with my suggestion on this one, or were you talking about who I’d use the picks on? If the later who would you be picking?

Wrong Phill mate

That's with with 1xL

 

[ArdentEagle]

They are drafting a father son CHB later in the 1st round.

They will jump on Watson or Duursma at pick 4 IMO. Or McKercher if North blink.

They lost Brockman, Wingard with an achilles and Bruest has 1 to 2 seasons left. They need to replace3 classy goal kickers at half forward.

I keep hearing they're VERY keen on Curtin from a mate who is an avid Hawks supporter and draft tragic.
I'd say 0% chance McKercher, 5% Duursma (NM), 20% Watson and 75% Curtin.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Hawks pick whom ever is left from dursma or Watson

 

[CountryLad]

Are you surprised to see Jason Dover pushing as hard as he is to keep Curtin in WA? I am a little.

Maybe the kid just doesn’t want to end up at North? Can hardly blame him.
If he does turn into a very good player and wants to come home after a stint away I wonder if him being a Freo fan and the Eagles not selecting him in the draft would play on his mind when making his decision whether it be to the Eagles or Freo.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Pretty confident the top 6 will be
1. Reid WCE
2. Walters GCS
3. McKercher NMFC
4. Durrsma NMFC
5. Watson Hawks
6. Sanders WBD

Only curve ball I could see is north may potentially bid on Read with one of there two picks

 

[CountryLad]

I think Curtin has been very unfairly treated on here, he is a very very good talent! It seems like he had an average colts grand final and everyone has written him off, although prior to that was playing a very high level of football off half back for Claremont snrs.

I think a lot of it has steemed from a belief our recruiters would trade pick 1 to get Curtin. So everyone lost their shiite at the thought of that. They aren't that silly, Reid is the best talent and exactly what we need.

If Curtin does slide, we'd be silly not to have a crack at getting him. There isn't a high end talent from what I've seen in next years draft like him. Top 5 are smaller pure mids who are small vs 197cm durable player. If we could get him with another future first coming back (ideally top 8 projected pick) it could well be worth it.

Glad I’m not the only one that’s been saying it.

I saw we had another poster in here earlier saying he’s not that good the Vic media are leading some conspiracy again…..

Those saying he’s not that good could be right sometimes players just don’t transition to AFL level as we all know, however at the same time he could easily be the best player to come out of this draft. Time will tell.

 

[DanWCE]

So if we want to live trade for Dees live pick 8 for Curtin its costs our future 1st and we get nothing else back?

And you call other proposals crazy and will never happen.

Correct, unless you consider a token late pick getting something back.

Melbourne would be thinking "what's in it for me?" They've got a crop of good young WA lads there and wouldn't have a drama taking Curtin themselves, so the offer would need to be in their favour to pass up on a quality tall to instead gain a very good Vic Metro mid 12 months later.

They've also Houdini'd themselves into a great first round position this season by bending over Freo, so do they want to kick the can another 12 months down the road after pulling off such a move?

 

[CountryLad]

This trade makes a lot of sense for both sides. WCE trades 37 and F2 to Gold Coast for 24 and F2(tied to BL).

Gold Coast loses 300 points this year but gains 400 if we don't bid on Walter. They also upgrade their draft hand next year.

We end up with the first 2 picks of day 2 which gives us more flexibility in who we can take. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a trade like this happens as soon as the clock starts.

Agree that the suns will shift some of those second round picks before pick one lands, would be mad not too. I guess it all comes down to if they have enough points when trading those picks out for any Future picks and whether they genuinely believe we would bid on Walter or not.

Hopefully you’re right because I think it’s not a bad spot to sit in the draft around there.

 

[MerryHell]

Correct, unless you consider a token late pick getting something back.

Melbourne would be thinking "what's in it for me?" They've got a crop of good young WA lads there and wouldn't have a drama taking Curtin themselves, so the offer would need to be in their favour to pass up on a quality tall to instead gain a very good Vic Metro mid 12 months later.

They've also Houdini'd themselves into a great first round position this season by bending over Freo, so do they want to kick the can another 12 months down the road after pulling off such a move?

Melbourne aggressively traded up to try and get pick 1 this year, they need a top tier midfielder longer term to replace their ageing stars.

So I think the what's in it for them is the chance to get a high (our) first round pick for next year, having missed out this year, and they can afford to wait one more year.

Also if they are left with Pick 11 this year, they still have a first rounder and not missing out drafting some talent.

It would be negligent for us to not have a F1 next year, so we need to come up with something that makes a F1 pick swap work.

6 + F1 (M) <> F1(E) + 23

Assuming F1 (M) = 12 and F1 (E) = 3

Fair points value, just to compare, don't flame me.

 

[CountryLad]

Everyone assuming that it’s McKercher and Duursma that Nth are taking at pick 2 & 3 need to be aware that this assumption comes from the Nth board who are often wrong about a number of things, they are simply guessing.

Nth have an area of need that out weighs everything else they need on there list and that’s tall defenders and Talls in general.
I’d be surprised (but it’s possible) that Clarko allows the recruiting team to go McKercher and Duursma at 2 & 3 and then miss all of the good key position players by pick 15 which will be probably pick 20ish live and then face a midfield dominated draft in 2024 again.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Everyone assuming that it’s McKercher and Duursma that Nth are taking at pick 2 & 3 need to be aware that this assumption comes from the Nth board who are often wrong about a number of things, they are simply guessing.

Nth have an area of need that out weighs everything else they need on there list and that’s tall defenders and Talls in general.
I’d be surprised if Clarko allows the recruiting team to go McKercher and Duursma at 2 & 3 and then miss all of the good key position players by pick 15 which will be probably pick 20ish live and then face a midfield dominated draft in 2024 again.

there are no talls to pick at 2 or 3. Perhaps North have the same opinion as many/most others that Curtin doesn’t make it as a KPD

Therell be plenty to choose from at their next pick. They also have the draft capital to draft up to 10-15 where there’s plenty of talks to choose from

 

[CountryLad]

there are no talls to pick at 2 or 3. Perhaps North have the same opinion as many/most others that Curtin doesn’t make it as a KPD

Therell be plenty to choose from at their next pick. They also have the draft capital to draft up to 10-15 where there’s plenty of talks to choose from

He can potentially make it as a KPD he did it in a number of games this year and did it pretty well. I can think of two Academy games and two state games just to start with one of them was on Jed Walter.

It’s just that he has other strings to his bow hence the reason he’s called a tall utility

When you say “most/many” can you actually name the experts saying this or is it just a West Coast big footy board theme?

.

 

[Hoskin300]

Every day I thank god that you don’t work for our club.

Picking two key backs and a ruck with our current list would be such a blunder lol.

 

[bzparkes]

He can potentially make it as a KPD he did it in a number of games this year and did it pretty well. I can think of two Academy games and two state games just to start with one of them was on Jed Walter.

It’s just that he has other strings to his bow hence the reason he’s called a tall utility

When you say “most/many” can you actually name the experts saying this or is it just a West Coast big footy board theme?

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The issue is that you're assuming that a guy, who openly said he sees himself as a midfielder, can make it as an A-grade KPD.

Not saying he can't but he played midfield in colts and flank in WAFL seniors. Apart from that one game against Walter, where Curtin is bigger than him, he hasn't primarily played as a KPD.

 

[Mop]

Some grow up faster than others mentally.

Both hàve talent no doubts. Sounds like Moir has had a injury niggle to deal with however has not shown the intent not intensity playing. Is that injury related or attitude and application?

Thekid sounds pretty keen on the Eagles as reported and getting out of SA is a must. Freo liked to him which would be a crap outccome all round IMO.

Interested how many clubs interviewed him. Feel he still gets drafted just not before 25.

I'm told we've interviewed him twice. We do have an interest and he has close family here as supports.

 

[CountryLad]

The issue is that you're assuming that a guy, who openly said he sees himself as a midfielder, can make it as an A-grade KPD.

Not saying he can't but he played midfield in colts and flank in WAFL seniors. Apart from that one game against Walter, where Curtin is bigger than him, he hasn't primarily played as a KPD.

He also played against men in the Academy games that I mentioned as a KPD. He is just as much that as anything else but I guess that is part of the attraction for the people naming him as a top 5 prospect. He has shown he can play in a number of positions.

As I’ve said in other posts the fact some in here claim he sees himself as a midfielder means zero in terms of whether he’s draftable or not.

Just so you know my preference is that we take Harley and retain next years first, I’m simply calling out some of the mis truths around Curtin that tend to be only on this board.

 

[bzparkes]

He also played against men in the Academy games that I mentioned as a KPD. He is just as much that as anything else but I guess that is part of the attraction for the people naming him as a top 5 prospect. He has shown he can play in a number of positions.

As I’ve said in other posts the fact some in here claim he sees himself as a midfielder means zero in terms of whether he’s draftable or not.

Just so you know my preference is that we take Harley and retain next years first, I’m simply calling out some of the mis truths around Curtin that tend to be only on this board.

Oh I'm not bagging Curtin, I think he'll be a great talent. I figure he's just more utility than KPD, which is probably why clubs might not go early on him as a KPP prospect.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Instead of 1,23,37 as our first 3 picks we have 1,7,16 at the cost of swapping F1s with GWS

So looking at what that does in its totality with its effect on next year too:

Instead of 1, 2, 23, 37 we have 1, 7, 13, 16.

I don’t like that

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Won't happen, give it up

Dogs traded for Pick 4 46 51 F3 this year netted 10 17 F1. What's the dogs F1? Could be anything from 8-15

Why not

Eagles F1 F3 37 for crows 10 14 F1. Crows F1 could also be anything 8-15.

Or

Eagles F1 23 for Dee's 6 11 F1.
Dee's F1 will depend on Oliver!!!!


2023
1 10 14 23 58
Or
1 6 11 37 58

2024
Still have a F1.

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[plays tall 1]

Twomey suggesting we may be interested in Roberts. Looks a vanilla type selection, similar player to Duggan but perhaps with more inclination to run and carry.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Glad I’m not the only one that’s been saying it.

I saw we had another poster in here earlier saying he’s not that good the Vic media are leading some conspiracy again…..

Those saying he’s not that good could be right sometimes players just don’t transition to AFL level as we all know, however at the same time he could easily be the best player to come out of this draft. Time will tell.

Get off bigfooty Dan, it's not worth it