List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[stylish]

6 Melbourne- Windsor
7 GWS - ????
8 Geelong - Caddy
9 Essendon - O’Sullivan

Only says GWS don’t need a KPD and they have interest in Windsor. Doesn’t say who they take if Windsor is gone to Melbourne

We’d need one of those clubs to take Leake for Curtin to get to Adelaide’s pick who may decide to take him for themselves

If the club is as keen on Curtin as they appear to be, which may or may not have any foundation, then they’ll give our F1 to the first club that bites rather than take the chance he gets to 10

We’re all just guessing

Personally I think trading out a F1 for Curtin is worth it.
--- Talented local boy
--- a year of development ahead of a '24 selection
--- greater chance of showing Reid there is a bright future so he recommits
--- expectation of a bounce next year - if WC can field their best team then I think they can finish higher than : NM, Haw, Saints, Rich & possibly Geel if old man injuries strike them So possibly a '23 # 7 for a '24 # 5
--- There's always a surprising riser & a surprising faller. Why can't that be WC like GWS did this year

 

[Obeanie1]

Why isnt anyone mentioning the Bulldogs pick?

Recall they traded down targeting Waston or Duursma.

Now the mocks have them taking Sanders. Not their 1st or 2nd choice. And in three years Sanders would be a marketing target for Tassie without a doubt.

They wanted a gun forward or gun mid.

Sounds like the Eagles will offer our F1st at every pick after ours that Curtin is available. Dont be surprised if they decide to chase a gun mid in 2024.

 

[Keys]

Why isnt anyone mentioning the Bulldogs pick?

Recall they traded down targeting Waston or Duursma.

Now the mocks have them taking Sanders. Not their 1st or 2nd choice. And in three years Sanders would be a marketing target for Tassie without a doubt.

They wanted a gun forward or gun mid.

Sounds like the Eagles will offer our F1st at every pick after ours that Curtin is available. Dont be surprised if they decide to chase a gun mid in 2024.

Bulldogs gave up 10,17 and their F1 to trade up for this pick

I’m pretty sure they’ll want to use it this year rather than trade it for an undefined pick next year

 

[ep2018]

Seems like Hawks and Melbourne are potentially trading firsts (pick 4 for pick 6 and 11 was what I read) so that Melbourne can grab Duursma/Watson and Hawks can grab Curtin, the idea of us getting Curtin with GWS first pick might be moot after all.

 

[Obeanie1]

Bulldogs gave up 10,17 and their F1 to trade up for this pick

I’m pretty sure they’ll want to use it this year rather than trade it for an undefined pick next year

They traded up for a target.

And they may miss it. So do they use all that draft capital on their 3rd choice?

Or get a guaranteed top 5 pick in a gun midfielders draft? Possibly pick 1.

They are still getting a 1st rounder with Croft so they arent missing out.

 

[maverick001]

"Edwards was one of the 4 who went to Dubai for the 2 weeks for medical testing etc. Some very basic issues were found which alarmed the board. Type of s**t a doctor in year 1 of sport science would spot. Club is ropable"

I was waiting for this to finally rear it's head. Change is afoot.

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Which Edwards?

 

[bzparkes]

Which Edwards?

Harry.

 

[Obeanie1]

Seems like Hawks and Melbourne are potentially trading firsts (pick 4 for pick 6 and 11 was what I read) so that Melbourne can grab Duursma/Watson and Hawks can grab Curtin, the idea of us getting Curtin with GWS first pick might be moot after all.

Hawks could smash this draft out of the park.

Trade 4 for 6 and 11.

Trade 6 for Eagles F1st.

11. Gets a nice player say a Wilson Then two father sons.

Hold their own and our F1sts in a gun midfielders draft in 2024.

 

[ep2018]

Hawks could smash this draft out of the park.

Trade 4 for 6 and 11.

Trase 6 for Eagles F1st.

11. Gets a nice player say a Wilson Then two father sons.

Hold their own and our F1sts in a gun midfielders draft in 2024.

It was a stupid post of mine because I didnt factor in that Hawks might accept our F1 for 6 in that scenario. Trading 4 for 11 this draft and likely a top 3 pick next draft would be good for them.

 

[TerryFilk]

He can slide - he only became a top 5 conversation when the Vics decided he was our best option since Reid wouldn’t be coming to Perth.

This notion needs to stop.

Yes, the Victorian media clearly wanted us to go for Curtin over Reid but that doesn’t mean they were making up Curtin being good, he has been 3-6 pretty much all year in experts draft rankings.

To me, he’s the 4th best player in this draft.

 

[maverick001]

I’m a bit concerned about this Vic Metro prospect. Seems to have had good opportunities this year (AFL Academy member and Vic Metro), and been underwhelming despite that, and without obvious excuses. Speed and strength cited by RookieMeCentral as areas of concern. I think there are better prospects than him at whichever selection we have in mind.

Not thrilled with Archie Roberts either, another Vic Metro prospect we’ve been linked to.

I hope the links to these guys are just smokescreens for other targets.

Moir, Lorenz

Play 1A from the Eagles drafting handbook, take the guy highly rated coming into the year but performances slipped during the year or was injured

 

[maverick001]

At the very least, what could have been a boring first round for us after we JTR, has turned into edge-of-your seat stuff for the early part given the will-he won't-he questions surrounding the F1 trade for Curtin

 

[MeltMan]

Personally I think trading out a F1 for Curtin is worth it.
--- Talented local boy
--- a year of development ahead of a '24 selection
--- greater chance of showing Reid there is a bright future so he recommits
--- expectation of a bounce next year - if WC can field their best team then I think they can finish higher than : NM, Haw, Saints, Rich & possibly Geel if old man injuries strike them So possibly a '23 # 7 for a '24 # 5
--- There's always a surprising riser & a surprising faller. Why can't that be WC like GWS did this year

Not you specifically, but ive seen a bunch of people say we beat st kilda.
They played finals last year off the back of missing a key fwd for alot of it.
Did something happen in trade period, or is this a lol norf / st.kilda are poor level of "we're better than them" or is listening to 2 guys 1 cup too much clouding my insight?

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

Looking ahead - Anyone has a read on both Drew Banfield

Drew Banfield

Age

50

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

8.8

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

and Phil Matera’s kids?

Any good to make it to the big leagues and when is their draft cohort?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Hawks could smash this draft out of the park.

Trade 4 for 6 and 11.

Trase 6 for Eagles F1st.

11. Gets a nice player say a Wilson Then two father sons.

Hold their own and our F1sts in a gun midfielders draft in 2024.

If Dee's would do that then they would also consider our F1 for 6 11 giving them access to a top 4 mid next year to replace there aging stars.

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[sharps24]

Honestly why on earth would we be adding Curtin AND ZZ to our list. Seven players on our list would be key defenders. Not to mention trading away a likely number one pick to facilitate this. Just madness.

The do we take Curtin and ZZ debate is worth having. Personally I would take them both. Reasons being:

1. By the time either are ready for prime time Gov and Barras are gone. So really that's only 5 potential key defenders.
2. If by some miracle Curtin does end up being a mid, we didn't draft a key defender. Ditto if he becomes a forward. That's 4.
3. Maybe Curtin does become a key defender, and its ZZ who becomes something else. That's 4, maybe 3.
4. I love him, but Harry Edwards may not be on the list by the time either are ready. Hasn't made it yet. That's 3, maybe 2.
5. We most likely won't be drafting a key defender in 2024 by the looks of things, even if we wanted one. And 2025 is leaving things ver late for to bring someone into our next window.
6. By my count it would only be 6 key defenders anyway, not 7? [Gov, Barro, Bazzo, HEdwards, Curtin, ZZ, who else?]
7. Could be that Bazzo is the one out of the 3 youngsters that isn't up for key position.
8. There is still nothing set is stone re a second key forward once Darling retires. It's wait and see if Maric can put on the size, wait and see if Williams can actually play as a forward, Jack Williams was a pick 57 so who knows how that goes. We're not getting Naughton...

In summary, if we take Curtin and ZZ then yeah there are basically 6 key defenders on the list. By 2026 best guess is that Gov and HEdwards are gone. Barras either done too, winding up, or somewhere else. Bazzo maybe best suited to 3rd tall. Leaves only Curtin and ZZ. Neither of whom are certainties in a key defensive position either. If we don't sort ourselves out for 2 key long term key defenders in this years draft- a tall defenders draft- and we struggle to find someone next year, then it's too late really. And that would be madness as well.

The ideal world, and it's worth a gamble that this happens I think, is we take them both. Curtin comes slightly from left field to settle down as a key forward. ZZ becomes a serviceable full back, pretty much setting our spine in place with the top line mids we've taken. 2024 and 2025 drafts we gradually slide back in the order of things to address depth and special needs in those drafts. That would be if things go well. TBH, I'm probably still going to be keen on chasing Buzzlinger next year on top of taking Curtin and ZZ this year and wouldn't be opposed to adding Schoenmaker if we have a pick for him as well.

 

[Avalor]

Yep not good. However great to see Harley's new mate Zipporah "Zippy" Fish made the girls academy.... best fricken name ever

Harley Reid poses for a selfie with Zippy Fish.

I wonder if HR knew who Zippy was when taking the selfie with her.

 

[Free Agent]

So the rumours are swirling we are trading our future first for Curtin and something else.

Problem I see if they do this they want to be sure we are obtaining Curtin at the pick we are getting especially with Hawks interested in him at pick 4 now.
Getting pick 6 isn't going to do much good if he is gone by then. Unless we are after someone else.

I think the report of only having two WA players so far in the next year's 40 player draft squad has spooked our recruiters into thinking we might aswell trade it this year for Curtin then take a risk with a top ranked interstate draftee.

 

[Nuffington Post]

AFL phantom draft 2023: Every first round pick and bid predicted in Fox Footy mock draft

Every pick, trade and who your club’s keen on as huge first round looms: AFL Phantom Draft

www.foxsports.com.au

Fox footy has us trading with GWS to get Curtin in their phantom


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[WaDsY]

The do we take Curtin and ZZ debate is worth having. Personally I would take them both. Reasons being:

1. By the time either are ready for prime time Gov and Barras are gone. So really that's only 5 potential key defenders.
2. If by some miracle Curtin does end up being a mid, we didn't draft a key defender. Ditto if he becomes a forward. That's 4.
3. Maybe Curtin does become a key defender, and its ZZ who becomes something else. That's 4, maybe 3.
4. I love him, but Harry Edwards may not be on the list by the time either are ready. Hasn't made it yet. That's 3, maybe 2.
5. We most likely won't be drafting a key defender in 2024 by the looks of things, even if we wanted one. And 2025 is leaving things ver late for to bring someone into our next window.
6. By my count it would only be 6 key defenders anyway, not 7? [Gov, Barro, Bazzo, HEdwards, Curtin, ZZ, who else?]
7. Could be that Bazzo is the one out of the 3 youngsters that isn't up for key position.
8. There is still nothing set is stone re a second key forward once Darling retires. It's wait and see if Maric can put on the size, wait and see if Williams can actually play as a forward, Jack Williams was a pick 57 so who knows how that goes. We're not getting Naughton...

In summary, if we take Curtin and ZZ then yeah there are basically 6 key defenders on the list. By 2026 best guess is that Gov and HEdwards are gone. Barras either done too, winding up, or somewhere else. Bazzo maybe best suited to 3rd tall. Leaves only Curtin and ZZ. Neither of whom are certainties in a key defensive position either. If we don't sort ourselves out for 2 key long term key defenders in this years draft- a tall defenders draft- and we struggle to find someone next year, then it's too late really. And that would be madness as well.

The ideal world, and it's worth a gamble that this happens I think, is we take them both. Curtin comes slightly from left field to settle down as a key forward. ZZ becomes a serviceable full back, pretty much setting our spine in place with the top line mids we've taken. 2024 and 2025 drafts we gradually slide back in the order of things to address depth and special needs in those drafts. That would be if things go well. TBH, I'm probably still going to be keen on chasing Buzzlinger next year on top of taking Curtin and ZZ this year and wouldn't be opposed to adding Schoenmaker if we have a pick for him as well.

Taking Taylor as a FA fixes this dilemma.


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[eaglevision]

Given the noises about trading in for Curtin, the best we can hope for in this scenario would be to trade with GWS: F1, 23 for 7, 16. If we take these picks to the draft and walk away with the following I’d consider it a pretty tidy post season:

1-Reid
7-Curtin
16-DeMattia
37-Freijah
58-Hall

B: Burgiel Barrass Duggan
HB: Yeo McGovern Hough
C: Hunt Kelly Chesser
HF: Cripps Darling Reid
F: Ryan Allen Long
F: BWilliams, Ginbey, Hewett
I/C: Flynn, Curtin, Maric, DeMattia
Sub: Freijah/Hall

I know it’s a young team but we need games into these kids and that can be managed throughout the season with the Sheeds, Gaffs etc with Culley to also return mid season. Adding the speed of Burgiel, DeMattia and Freijah will be a bit of a game changer for our ball movement too.

Win, lose or draw I would not want to miss a game of the 2024 season if this is the team we are putting on the park. It’s going to be a exciting year.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Given the noises about trading in for Curtin, the best we can hope for in this scenario would be to trade with GWS: F1, 23 for 7, 16. If we take these picks to the draft and walk away with the following I’d consider it a pretty tidy post season:

1-Reid
7-Curtin
16-DeMattia
37-Freijah
58-Hall

B: Burgiel Barrass Duggan
HB: Yeo McGovern Hough
C: Hunt Kelly Chesser
HF: Cripps Darling Reid
F: Ryan Allen Long
F: BWilliams, Ginbey, Hewett
I/C: Flynn, Curtin, Maric, DeMattia
Sub: Freijah/Hall

I know it’s a young team but we need games into these kids and that can be managed throughout the season with the Sheeds, Gaffs etc with Culley to also return mid season. Adding the speed of Burgiel, DeMattia and Freijah will be a bit of a game changer for our ball movement too.

Win, lose or draw I would not want to miss a game of the 2024 season if this is the team we are putting on the park. It’s going to be a exciting year.

I’m not sure the move up from 23 to 16 is worth it. It’s pretty even at that part of the draft. I’d rather GWS F1 even though they could be contending next year.


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[WaDsY]

Given the noises about trading in for Curtin, the best we can hope for in this scenario would be to trade with GWS: F1, 23 for 7, 16. If we take these picks to the draft and walk away with the following I’d consider it a pretty tidy post season:

1-Reid
7-Curtin
16-DeMattia
37-Freijah
58-Hall

B: Burgiel Barrass Duggan
HB: Yeo McGovern Hough
C: Hunt Kelly Chesser
HF: Cripps Darling Reid
F: Ryan Allen Long
F: BWilliams, Ginbey, Hewett
I/C: Flynn, Curtin, Maric, DeMattia
Sub: Freijah/Hall

I know it’s a young team but we need games into these kids and that can be managed throughout the season with the Sheeds, Gaffs etc with Culley to also return mid season. Adding the speed of Burgiel, DeMattia and Freijah will be a bit of a game changer for our ball movement too.

Win, lose or draw I would not want to miss a game of the 2024 season if this is the team we are putting on the park. It’s going to be a exciting year.

GWS won't give is 16 as well. Our intentions seem to be well-announced. They have the upper hand.


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[eaglevision]

GWS won't give is 16 as well. Our intentions seem to be well-announced. They have the upper hand.


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If there’s going to be a deal done the picks would have already been agreed to. I’d hope we’ve got more coming back than pick 7 hence the “best we can hope for”. If this was our plan all along it’s disappointing that the trade wasn’t done earlier without our intentions being telegraphed, even if Curtin didn’t slide I’d be very happy looking at O’Sullivan with that pick provided we got more back for it rather than being bent over. Time will tell.

 

[WaDsY]

If there’s going to be a deal done the picks would have already been agreed to. I’d hope we’ve got more coming back than pick 7 hence the “best we can hope for”. If this was our plan all along it’s disappointing that the trade wasn’t done earlier without our intentions being telegraphed, even if Curtin didn’t slide I’d be very happy looking at O’Sullivan with that pick provided we got more back for it rather than being bent over. Time will tell.

But doing it early doesnt mean you'll get your player. Lets say curtain is who we are after and North take him at 3 then trading early woukd have been pointless. Its about names now not numbers. We might have a few deals lined up depending upon which names are still on the board.


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