List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[3agles87]

I like stats simply put because numbers don't lie.

Never heard of the quote ‘there are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics’?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I mean Joppa isn’t gospel, but no way GWS take that deal, surely

Not unreasonable.

F1 for 7 16 alone is our loss.

23 for there F1 is there loss




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[PaythePerryman]

Interesting trade.
Essentially trading Curtin for an F1. I doubt GWS will need to give back their F1 for this deal to happen though...that feels like too much if Curtin is rated as a top 3 prospect that has 'slid'.
Win/Win

 

[WCE_Phill]

Cant see GWS wanting to trade pick 7 if Curtin is there in any case. He kind of is the player they want in reality and if they feel their window is now I dont see how a pick next year will help them this year

Disagree I have mail that a deal in principle is done

I don't have intel on what that looks like tho

NM are also circling on Collard with 18 so getting in front of them with 16 would be amazing

Turning F1 and 23 into 7, 16 and F1 would be a master stroke and we should build ROB a statue. Even if we finish last it will be 1, 23 for 7, 16, 15, hardly dooms day

Finish 15th and its 4, 23 for 7, 16, 15

 

[shooshka]

Wowza

Can't see GWS doing that? Start the car if that's the case

Jeppa is pretty good with his info tho

Maybe a F2 not F1

We may have a target at 16, but my preference would be something like 7, F1 (GWS) for our F1 and F2


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[Peptide Pig]

I mean Joppa isn’t gospel, but no way GWS take that deal, surely

This is as good of an outcome as we could hope for to retain an F1 for flexibility next year. Maybe if we included our F2 it could work, might only be a couple of picks difference.

 

[squashface]

I mean Joppa isn’t gospel, but no way GWS take that deal, surely

I would absolutely do that deal.

GWS on the other hand...

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Pretty simple. Tell GWS to do it for the memes and to piss the Vics off. We'll probably get their pick for free.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Disagree I have mail that a deal in principle is done

I don't have intel on what that looks like tho

NM are also circling on Collard with 18 so getting in front of them with 16 would be amazing

Turning F1 and 23 into 7, 16 and F1 would be a master stroke and we should build ROB a statue. Even if we finish last it will be 1, 23 for 7, 16, 15, hardly dooms day

Finish 15th and its 4, 23 for 7, 16, 15

I dont think we have the intel if Curtin lasts to pick 7 however. Only way it happens if he does a Sheezel and tells other clubs to not pick him up in a not so obvious way

If that deal does happen im happy enough with it. Its a big risk though but you gotta take risks to climb up the ladder if we are being honest. Sucking for years on end doesnt seem to work

 

[Jukes]

The best we can hope for is a straight swap - our F1 for pick 7.

Realistically, I would expect us to give another pick (37 or another future) to get it done.

 

[PaythePerryman]

I would absolutely do that deal.

GWS on the other hand...

Yeah that's ambitious

 

[PaythePerryman]

The best we can hope for is a straight swap - our F1 for pick 7.

Realistically, I would expect us to give another pick (37 or another future) to get it done.

I feel like it's a pretty simple trade too. Not sure why Giants would give up a future pick to gain a speculative pick.

I really like Curtin, I reckon he's gonna kill it for WCE if it goes down

 

[Jukes]

As an Eagles supporter I would want a sweetener but if I was a GWS supporter I would want to exploit the leverage and ask for another pick. Therefore, a straight swap feels “fair”

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I feel like it's a pretty simple trade too. Not sure why Giants would give up a future pick to gain a speculative pick.

I really like Curtin, I reckon he's gonna kill it for WCE if it goes down

Would only happen if you dont rate the draft highly and want out of it for a better hand next year. At pick 16 I feel GWS may be reaching for a young ruck whose there at 23 anyway. At 16 alot of KPPS will be taken up and GWS probably dont have any interest that way

I cant see it happening though as I think GWS would take Curtin and put him on a wing

 

[PaythePerryman]

Would only happen if you dont rate the draft highly and want out of it for a better hand next year. At pick 16 I feel GWS may be reaching for a young ruck whose there at 23 anyway. At 16 alot of KPPS will be taken up and GWS probably dont have any interest that way

I cant see it happening though as I think GWS would take Curtin and put him on a wing

Interesting.
It's getting time that GWS are probably looking to start looking for replacements for Ward/Cogs since Taranto/Hopper/Bruhn left. I'd say that mid is a need area but no rush, probably why next year's draft seems like a better option.
I agree Curtin could slot on the wing quite well.
16 there's a bunch of players I like...not sure a ruck is on the cards tbh.

 

[Bender_]

Is Jappa more or less reliable than Sam Fap?

 

[Bender_]

Yeah that's ambitious

And again with this username/earworm!

I don't mean this to be insulting, but GWS seems to have a bit of a revolving door with talent leaving and picks coming. They don't seem to have a problem getting top end picks back their way every year.

 

[UseR2006]

That Trade would look even better if we do end up bottom 2 and get the same AFL assistance the roos just got.
Couple of Future 1st and an extra 1st in 2024 would give us plenty to play with.

 

[WCE_Phill]

Is Jappa more or less reliable than Sam Fap?

He's pretty connected and decently reliable

I've also heard something similar from someone, so definitely wheel in motion

Curtin being an Eagles comes down to the Hawks

 

[Keys]

If, and it remains an if at this stage, a deal gets done between us and GWS:

• The details of the trade will have been agreed in principle prior to the draft
• The trade won’t go through until Melbourne have made their selection- WCE will want to know their target (presumably Curtin) is available and GWS will want to know nobody has slid. For example if Melbourne take Caddy at 6, leaving Windsor on the board then GWS might pull out
• It’s hard to see GWS offering anything other than their pick for our F1. We’re the buyer in this situation so it’s incumbent on us to encourage them to sell. If we somehow manage to get 16 for 23 as well, I’d consider that a win. Very much doubt GWS put their F1 on the table - they already have the risk of us rising so won’t add the risk of them falling to that

 

[Barrybran]

I don't see F1 for 7 happening in isolation. A pick upgrade seems like a fair addition for both sides, whether that is 16 for 23 (better for GWS) or our F2 for their F1 (probably way too speculative for GWS).

 

[PaythePerryman]

I don't see F1 for 7 happening in isolation. A pick upgrade seems like a fair addition for both sides, whether that is 16 for 23 (better for GWS) or our F2 for their F1 (probably way too speculative for GWS).

Who is F1 for 7 unfair for?
GWS takes on risk of a F1
Eagles get player they rate high early.

Obviously I'd love more back but realistically would you give up Curtin for 5 or so spots in the 20s?

 

[Hoskin300]

The do we take Curtin and ZZ debate is worth having. Personally I would take them both. Reasons being:

1. By the time either are ready for prime time Gov and Barras are gone. So really that's only 5 potential key defenders.
2. If by some miracle Curtin does end up being a mid, we didn't draft a key defender. Ditto if he becomes a forward. That's 4.
3. Maybe Curtin does become a key defender, and its ZZ who becomes something else. That's 4, maybe 3.
4. I love him, but Harry Edwards may not be on the list by the time either are ready. Hasn't made it yet. That's 3, maybe 2.
5. We most likely won't be drafting a key defender in 2024 by the looks of things, even if we wanted one. And 2025 is leaving things ver late for to bring someone into our next window.
6. By my count it would only be 6 key defenders anyway, not 7? [Gov, Barro, Bazzo, HEdwards, Curtin, ZZ, who else?]
7. Could be that Bazzo is the one out of the 3 youngsters that isn't up for key position.
8. There is still nothing set is stone re a second key forward once Darling retires. It's wait and see if Maric can put on the size, wait and see if Williams can actually play as a forward, Jack Williams was a pick 57 so who knows how that goes. We're not getting Naughton...

In summary, if we take Curtin and ZZ then yeah there are basically 6 key defenders on the list. By 2026 best guess is that Gov and HEdwards are gone. Barras either done too, winding up, or somewhere else. Bazzo maybe best suited to 3rd tall. Leaves only Curtin and ZZ. Neither of whom are certainties in a key defensive position either. If we don't sort ourselves out for 2 key long term key defenders in this years draft- a tall defenders draft- and we struggle to find someone next year, then it's too late really. And that would be madness as well.

The ideal world, and it's worth a gamble that this happens I think, is we take them both. Curtin comes slightly from left field to settle down as a key forward. ZZ becomes a serviceable full back, pretty much setting our spine in place with the top line mids we've taken. 2024 and 2025 drafts we gradually slide back in the order of things to address depth and special needs in those drafts. That would be if things go well. TBH, I'm probably still going to be keen on chasing Buzzlinger next year on top of taking Curtin and ZZ this year and wouldn't be opposed to adding Schoenmaker if we have a pick for him as well.

1. Barrass has at least four years left and McGovern at least two. We already have two players developing in these positions underneath them.
2. If we are making this trade hoping that Curtin might become a mid then we should just draft a midfielder that will 100% become a mid. AKA trade to get Windsor, Wilson or CEdwards.
3. Same as above regarding ZZ playing elsewhere. He can't play ruck at AFL level so that shouldn't be part of our thinking.
4. Currently HEdwards is still on the list, we cant build a list properly if you keep adding back ups to back ups. He was injured all year so hard to make a true judgement on him. Unlikely he makes it but why not add someone once we delist him.
5. Why can't we draft a key defender in 2024? By then we would have moved on HEdwards (if he sucks) and Rotham and have a much clearer picture on our key defender stocks.
6. I add Rotham in as a key defender because it's the only position he might play for us next year. He is terrible but no worse than Gaff who we also need to replace.
7. Bazzo was in his second season. Crazy to rule him out already. No reason to think that Curtin is more likely to make it as a one on one defender than bazzo.
8. Unclear on what the relevance of is. Even so we have five key forwards on the list.

Currently we have far bigger list holes that need addressing. Teams play with two key defenders on the park. In a world with endless list spots having four players developing for two roles is fine but thats just not reality. Six or seven players dedicated to two on-field positions means we are seriously neglecting other areas of the field.

The draft isn't the only way to bring players in. Always have the ability to bring in a player to plug a hole and the backline is one of the easiest positions to do this.

Why not just pick one of them if we are so sure HEdwards wont make it? At absolute minimum we should't be thinking about replacing Bazzo.

 

[dinnaz]

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[Hoskin300]

Interesting trade.
Essentially trading Curtin for an F1. I doubt GWS will need to give back their F1 for this deal to happen though...that feels like too much if Curtin is rated as a top 3 prospect that has 'slid'.
Win/Win

Curtin isn't a top three prospect tho. 5th rated player in this draft.