List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Monocle]

Hopefully Moir goes better than Tom Lamb.

 

[ziad]

GWS pick 7 & 16 will be more like 9 & 21 after bids. WCE pick 23 more like 29. So, on Points F1 & 23 for 7 & 16 would value F1 around Pick 7. I'd be happy with that deal if I was GWS.

speculation in the Sydney papers that the Eagles could/plan to trade with GWS for #7 to get Curtin

 

[Monocle]

speculation in the Sydney papers that the Eagles could/plan to trade with GWS for #7 to get Curtin

Page 47 ?

 

[Bender_]

Ryan Daniels: West Coast are waiting with their cards at the table, can they find a pair of princes?
Ryan Daniels
The West Australian

Harley Reid could be the new Prince of Perth

Now this is a story all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down … and I’d like to take a minute just sit right there, I’ll tell you how I became the Prince of Perth … with long hair.

When you see stardom, it’s obvious.

We could see it in a young, fresh Will Smith, charming our screens from Bel-Air — and we can see it with the prodigious football talent that is Harley Reid. The kid is a sure thing.


Tongala, where Reid was born and raised, isn’t quite West Philadelphia.

The town in country Victoria has a population of around 2000. They live and breathe sport; footy, netball, cricket. Everyone knows everyone. Doors aren’t locked. There’s a pub, a post office, a general store.

Harley is a product of all that. By all accounts he’s a laid-back, affable kid — albeit one with plenty of swagger. He’s going to need of all that, and more, as he ascends to his role as our fresh prince.

The last time we saw a player with this level of infatuation from the footy public in WA, it was Ben Cousins. I must’ve been asked ten times a day for the past three months what the Eagles will do with Reid? Trade the pick or take him?

My answer has been consistent — if I were betting, I’d say they’ll take him.

Until the Eagles read out their pick around 4.30pm on Monday, that could change, but all signs are pointing to Harley wearing blue and gold in 2024.

And that’s absolutely the perfect move. Or, at least, part one of the perfect move. More on that later.

Cousins was the original Prince of Perth, a football genius, hard worker, had the looks — and the smile — to charm recruiters, coaches, girls, boys, mums, and dads. There have been stars before and since — Matera, Jakovich, Judd, Naitanui, Fyfe, Cox, Pavlich — but none hypnotized the masses quite like Cousins. That immeasurable star power.

The second coming is here.

The noise around Harley is part footy — part sign of the times. The social media age, celebrity culture, herd mentality — he’s got 37 thousand followers on Instagram before he’s played a game. West Coast fans were asking Reid to sign jumpers and hats at the WACA back in June.

The circus will surround this young man, should he end up at West Coast come Monday night. Can he handle it? We’ll find out.

It’s impossible to overstate the importance of Monday night for West Coast. All the pain of the past two years, the losing, the embarrassing margins, the ridiculous run of injury, the speculation surrounding exits of key staff and players — this is where it needs to take a viscous turn to the right direction. This is the beginning of hope.

Monday night is the most important draft in West Coast’s history.

The draft is both complicated and incredibly simple. Forget trades and free agency — the draft is the best, and most efficient way to build your list into a premiership contender. History tells us if you nail your picks year after year, the top and bottom end, you’ll get to where you want to go. Sure, you’ll need to add a piece here or there, plug a hole, but the key ingredients of this meal will come from the draft pantry.


So, other than Reid, how busy can the Eagles get? Currently West Coast hold picks 1, 23, 37, 58 and 73. The AFL also allows teams to trade future selections. West Coast hold all their future picks.

By all accounts, West Coast haven’t been aggressive in pick-trading talks just yet. Not making calls, not pushing teams for possibility — less active and agile, more patient and poised.

Don’t be fooled by the ‘off-season’, both West Coast and Fremantle are making significant changes that tell us both clubs are aware of what’s at stake in 2024 and beyond.

Instead, they’ve turned down multiple offers, and rightly so. The full purse has yet to be presented.

They’ve been busy waiting — and maybe that’s the right move, the Tiger looming in the tall grass — but it can’t be the only move. There’s a possible pivot for them.

Daniel Curtin, the kid from Claremont, is going to be a star too. This “teenager” is 197cm, 95kg. Limbs so long, he could probably flick a light switch on and off while sitting cross-legged. I met him last week and couldn’t have been more impressed. He reminded me of Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

at the same age — in terms of maturity and focus. Big, balanced man-children built in labs to succeed at the top level.

Could Daniel Curtin slip his way into Eagles’ hands?

If Curtin somehow slips through North Melbourne’s picks at 2 and 3, if Hawthorn decides to go small over tall, if the Bulldogs bark in a different direction… could the Eagles pounce on Curtin? Trading their future first round pick comes into play. It’s a move they should absolutely make in that circumstance. Melbourne and GWS, at picks 6 and 7, would need to take it seriously.

Building your list around Reid, Curtin, Reuben Ginbey, Elijah Hewett and Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

is a fantastic place to start.

West Coast fans have been patient. They’ve copped the losses, paid their memberships, kept the faith — backing in a club with a history of bouncing back. And to be honest, with the hand they possess, they can’t lose on Monday night — no matter what they do.

But if they can find a way to land a Reid-Curtin haul, forget Bel-Air, they’re heading straight for Hollywood.

 

[new breed]

Good read ....
Draft night will be interesting, cannot see us being able to get both Reid and Curtin but a good plan !!

 

[shooshka]

I'll be reasonably happy if we get Curtin for a straight swap of our future first.

Hoping to get change back when we are getting pick 7 for an unknown quantity is fanciful. Sure, we may be likely to suck next year. Maybe we struggle to get out of the bottom four, though I'm not totally convinced yet.

Any team looking at our F1 though is not valuing it thinking they're getting something worth pick 1. I would think they would look at it as, on average, being a top 5 pick, and then adding a discount in order to make it worth their while. Pick 7 seems around the mark to me, depending on each team's list strategy.

‘Top 5 pick’ already has the discount applied. It looks a likely if not certain top 3 pick.

The cost in any draft to go from 7 to say 4, is about similar to go from 3 to 2. 2 to 1 is higher again and has happened once.

Sure, we have 1 shot at Curtin, but similarly teams are almost certainly getting 3 or better, would be confident of 2 or better and a good chance at 1. We will pay more, but other teams may be keen to make it ‘fairer’ as a gamble that they may get #1 next year


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[Wooshaaaa]

What would you call Gardiner, Lester, Frampton and Murphy? Most teams perform great with only one high level key back.

Flags of previous year beg to differ on only.one high level key back.


2015
Lake Gibson Frawley

2016
Hamling eastern wood.

2017
Rance Grimes Astbury

2018
McGovern Barrass

2019
Asbury Grimes broad

2020
Asbury Grimes balta.

2021
May lever

2022
Stewart dekoning Henry

2023
Moore Howe.

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[Wedgetailed Westerner]

his/her

Be careful of the rainbow Frenchie

 

[DRK_13]

The GWS deal is interesting. Value-wise its fairly equal, but the question is not WILL the value of our F1 change this time next year, it's how much will it??

For Eg, if we finish bottom 3 and want to trade, could we get a bigger haul at the trade table than Dan Curtin?(Who Im not completely sold on as a difference maker)
I.e Busslinger and WB 1st, or split the picks i.e Ginbey and Hewitt?

 

[MrAsh7777]

The points value allocated to picks has absolutely zero relevance unless it’s for a team manipulating the draft for father son or academy draftees

If your talking about future picks where you arent able to assign a draftees name(s) to the pick, then the Points system is the good basline

 

[the harry]

Going to be an entertaining draft.

At the least it can't be argued the club hasn't been active in trying to land prospective targets.


GWS picks do indeed appear to be up for offers, but whether Curtin is still on the board by then remains to be seen.

Thinking exactly the same. The club floated pick 1 for an insane price, but no one was crazy enough. They're then trying their best to have their cake and eat it to this year. Everyone will know the intention so we might pay more, but you can make plans without letting it be know what you want.

Happy with how the club has handled this period.

 

[boondy]

Schofield had a blinder GF .
What I wanted to say tho is ... so glad we didn't pee Hawks off walking Blockman to the draft

 

[TerryFilk]

Is Jappa more or less reliable than Sam Fap?

He’s not reliable at all, he said we were going hard after the Suns pick 4 in the trade period when we didn’t even have a crack at it.

There’s no chance GWS give up 7,16 and their F1 for our F1 and 23.

 

[the harry]

Schofield had a blinder GF .
What I wanted to say tho is ... so glad we didn't pee Hawks off walking Blockman to the draft

Thought Schofield was a genuine Norm chance at the ground.

 

[eaglevision]

I’ve settled on a floor of F1, 23 for 7, 16 OR 7, F1. Otherwise, keep the pick we’ll get FAR more for (or use) it next year. What will be interesting is if GWS keep their pick 7 and pick whoever Melbourne leaves them out of Windsor and Leake. I’m certain Cats take Caddy at 8, Essendon take O’Sullivan at 9 as no one with give into either of their ridiculous demands which leaves us at the Crows who have HUGE incentive for a top 5 pick next year...

 

[Flarn Rarn]

‘Top 5 pick’ already has the discount applied. It looks a likely if not certain top 3 pick.

The cost in any draft to go from 7 to say 4, is about similar to go from 3 to 2. 2 to 1 is higher again and has happened once.

Sure, we have 1 shot at Curtin, but similarly teams are almost certainly getting 3 or better, would be confident of 2 or better and a good chance at 1. We will pay more, but other teams may be keen to make it ‘fairer’ as a gamble that they may get #1 next year


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You say top 5 has a discount already applied - I just don't think many teams would see it that way. I don't think any club doing its due diligence would look at it as a 'likely if not certain top 3 pick'.

In 2018 we were everybody's pick for the spoon. You campaigners know how that turned out. I definitely don't think we will get close to the flag next year but I wouldn't be pushing stakes on us for a bottom 3 finish either. That's my 2c.

 

[Farang83150]

Melbourne's list manager on gettable likening the Hog to....Dusty, J Selwood and Petracca !!

 

[UseR2006]

Fox Footy Phantom has us doing the GWS trade and taking Curtin.

 

[Monocle]

Melbourne's list manager on gettable likening the Hog to....Dusty, J Selwood and Petracca !!

Which just reinforces why we should not be giving him away.

The Club always needs great players AND the Club badly needs a dose of optimism and excitement to feed the faithful.

JTR

 

[PaythePerryman]

I’ve settled on a floor of F1, 23 for 7, 16 OR 7, F1. Otherwise, keep the pick we’ll get FAR more for (or use) it next year. What will be interesting is if GWS keep their pick 7 and pick whoever Melbourne leaves them out of Windsor and Leake. I’m certain Cats take Caddy at 8, Essendon take O’Sullivan at 9 as no one with give into either of their ridiculous demands which leaves us at the Crows who have HUGE incentive for a top 5 pick next year...

I'm just not sure why there needs to be the swap of 16 and 23...why would GWS feel incline to give anything else up?
You kind of have to give something up to go get Curtin this year.
We did it last year with Cadman...if that's your guy and you wanna go get him you know you aren't going to get a 'fair' trade.

 

[Truckosaurus]

I wonder how many people have a 'Welcome to West Coast: Harley Reid' thread ready to go.

Did you know you can put a time delay on posts and threads going live?

 

[eaglevision]

I'm just not sure why there needs to be the swap of 16 and 23...why would GWS feel incline to give anything else up?
You kind of have to give something up to go get Curtin this year.
We did it last year with Cadman...if that's your guy and you wanna go get him you know you aren't going to get a 'fair' trade.

I like Curtin but if I was calling the WCE shots I’m not swapping our F1 for Curtin. I value our F1 comfortably above Curtin. It’s that simple. If GWS don’t see it that way, it’s fine.

 

[Farang83150]

Nick Watson hasn't even been drafted yet and I already can't stand the $@#+, got ballantyne written all over him!

 

[Hoskin300]

Flags of previous year beg to differ on only.one high level key back.


2015
Lake Gibson Frawley

2016
Hamling eastern wood.

2017
Rance Grimes Astbury

2018
McGovern Barrass

2019
Asbury Grimes broad

2020
Asbury Grimes balta.

2021
May lever

2022
Stewart dekoning Henry

2023
Moore Howe.

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We obviously have different definitions of that is elite. Are we really going to call Astbury, Broad, Balta, De Koning, Henry and howe as a 33 year old elite? By that logic vast majority of key backs in the comp are elite.

Guarantee there is a higher correlation between the talent of the teams midfield compared to their key back posts. The game has changed significantly since 2018 when we won. All of the teams that have won since 2018 have won because of superstar mids and and dominant key forwards.

 

[WaDsY]

I like Curtin but if I was calling the WCE shots I’m not swapping our F1 for Curtin. I value our F1 comfortably above Curtin. It’s that simple. If GWS don’t see it that way, it’s fine.

Why do you value it higher? What player next year do you like in the top 5 that you think is comfortably better than Curtain?


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