List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[Dr Tigris]

Totally agree. But I reckon Buddy might've been just good enough at Tigerland to prevent us from going so bad through 2008/09 that we'd have missed out on Cotch and Dusty, and the Rance priority pick.

Interesting how poor decision end up leading to good things sometimes.

 

[Dr Tigris]

And more than Likely not have gone for Jack seeing we had Buddy and Richo.

Didn't think of that. In many ways I prefer that we had JR than Buddy.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Didn't think of that. In many ways I prefer that we had JR than Buddy.

Yeah it’s an interesting thought experiment it dramatically changes our list profile in terms of players we would of targeted and even when our flag window would of been open

Assuming Buddy still goes to Sydney do we win the flag in those years before he leaves to make it worth it? Not sure if we would of had the cattle around him to do it

All in all hard to complain with how it all turned out on the back of multiple club and afl HoF inductees and 3 flags

Time to take our medicine over the next few seasons but hopefully it’s only some short term pain

 

[Dr Tigris]

Yeah it’s an interesting thought experiment it dramatically changes our list profile in terms of players we would of targeted and even when our flag window would of been open

Assuming Buddy still goes to Sydney do we win the flag in those years before he leaves to make it worth it? Not sure if we would of had the cattle around him to do it

All in all hard to complain with how it all turned out on the back of multiple club and afl HoF inductees and 3 flags

Time to take our medicine over the next few seasons but hopefully it’s only some short term pain

Hopefully short term, very short term.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Hopefully short term, very short term.

I’m happy to see where we sit this year and even possibly have another mediocre year next year

But if we are just sitting mid table by 2027 with no real direction in terms of bottoming out or playing finals I will be disappointed and pushing for a proper rebuild

 

[DickieKnee]

Plenty of blunders made my every recruiter in the land.
Except for the great DoDo of course.

Can't believe that guy is still in a job.

 

[DickieKnee]

We were always taking Roughead at pick 4 but Hawks grabbed him knowing that! They gambled we wouldn’t take Franklin, and gambled correctly.
Irrelevant discussion really as it would have totally changed our list and drafting history, and we may not have won the 3 flags had we not subsequently selected the players we did.

If I remember correctly at the time of the draft all the pundits rated Tambling highly. The comparisons with Buddy only started when Buddy started tearing the comp apart. it's easy in hindsight.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Can't believe that guy is still in a job.

Wouldn't last this long at any other club

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Didn't think of that. In many ways I prefer that we had JR than Buddy.

Tough one that.
Jack or Buddy.
I guess Jack stayed through the hard times.
Not sure if Buddy would've.
Would Buddy lift the side enough to be out of reach for Cotch & Dusty.
Funny how things worked out.
Hawks & Buddy got their flags and so did we all because of the 04 draft.

 

[Morro]

The most glaringly obvious down fall if we had have taken Buddy is we would not have won 3 flags.

Lets say we win 1, he most certainly wouldnt have taken a pay cut allowing us to trade for Lynch or anyone for that matter that allowed us to stay at the top.

 

[Coach_Required]

Didn't think of that. In many ways I prefer that we had JR than Buddy.

Reckon Buddy would have left us as well and we wouldn't have had Buddy or Jack lol

 

[DickieKnee]

It's funny how the media and oppos always bring up picking Tambling over Buddy. Dees had 2 picks before Dusty but that never gets a mention. Fact is we won 3 flags with a list that was largely assembled during compromised drafts due to expansion clubs when we were at the bottom end of the ladder. Our recruiting has been A+.

 

[smurfin]

If I remember correctly at the time of the draft all the pundits rated Tambling highly. The comparisons with Buddy only started when Buddy started tearing the comp apart. it's easy in hindsight.

I've read somewhere that Richmond were even considering Tambling with pick 1 as Hawks were very keen.

 

[richoatthedisco]

We wouldn't have won any flags with Buddy. If we'd had him we wouldn't have finished low enough in 2007 or 2009 to get Cotchin and Martin, and we don't win any flags without either one of those, let alone both of them. We turned out to be very lucky drafting Tambling. And no, he didn't have superstar potential. He had no exposed form against the main states in his draft year. People got excited by him dominating for NT against Tassie and NSW. Could have been a good player, but was never going to be a superstar.

We also didn't have the culture at the time to handle Buddy. And without Cotchin, I'm not sure we'd have it yet. We should build that bloke a statue and put it opposite the one of Jack Dyer: the two greatest leaders our club has ever had. Perfect, complementary, bookends.

 

[Cleansweep17]

It's funny how the media and oppos always bring up picking Tambling over Buddy. Dees had 2 picks before Dusty but that never gets a mention. Fact is we won 3 flags with a list that was largely assembled during compromised drafts due to expansion clubs when we were at the bottom end of the ladder. Our recruiting has been A+.

Nah but apparently Geelong is better at recruiting according to their supporters. Something wrong with them

 

[Dr Tigris]

We wouldn't have won any flags with Buddy. If we'd had him we wouldn't have finished low enough in 2007 or 2009 to get Cotchin and Martin, and we don't win any flags without either one of those, let alone both of them. We turned out to be very lucky drafting Tambling. And no, he didn't have superstar potential. He had no exposed form against the main states in his draft year. People got excited by him dominating for NT against Tassie and NSW. Could have been a good player, but was never going to be a superstar.

We also didn't have the culture at the time to handle Buddy. And without Cotchin, I'm not sure we'd have it yet. We should build that bloke a statue and put it opposite the one of Jack Dyer: the two greatest leaders our club has ever had. Perfect, complementary, bookends.

Agree. Except that Tambling didn't have star potential.

When he developed physically he was a ball of muscle, fast, great skills, great footy brain. And somehow no ability to keep it going within games or between games. he had the ability to be an A grader. I know the attitude and mentality is the key to being really good, and for whatever reason (upbringing mostly I guess) Tambo just didn't have it. So I guess I agree with you, and disagree at the same time.

back then we couldn't develop players that needed it. If we'd got Dusty he wouldn't have been the star he has become.

 

[DickieKnee]

back then we couldn't develop players that needed it. If we'd got Dusty he wouldn't have been the star he has become.

And that was the knock on Buddy. His talent was never question at draft time it was if he had the mental fortitude required at AFL level. If we wouldn't have developed Dusty at that time the same probably goes for Buddy.

 

[Dr Tigris]

And that was the knock on Buddy. His talent was never question at draft time it was if he had the mental fortitude required at AFL level. If we wouldn't have developed Dusty at that time the same probably goes for Buddy.

Yeh. Could easily have been Tambo that starred and Buddy just never there.

It's a bit depressing to think what we were. And petty good to think what we've become.

 

[_RT_]

2024 FREE AGENTS

*qualifies as previously delisted player

RICHMOND

Jack Graham

17

Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

Noah Cumberland*
Dylan Grimes

2

Dylan Grimes

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

136.0

2star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

136.0

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

Dustin Martin
Kamdyn McIntosh

33

Kamdyn Mcintosh

Age

30

Ht

191cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

13.8

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.2

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

18.6

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.4

4star

Toby Nankervis

25

Toby Nankervis

Age

30

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

2.9

4star

HO

21.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

6.3

4star

CL

3.0

4star

HO

17.0

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

8.4

5star

Dion Prestia

3

Dion Prestia

Age

32

Ht

175cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.1

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

3.2

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

Ben Miller*
Sam Naismith

24

Sam Naismith

Age

32

Ht

205cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.9

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

5.3

4star

CL

2.0

4star

HO

25.5

5star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.0

1star

CL

3.0

4star

HO

26.5

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

6.0

4star

CL

1.4

4star

HO

25.4

5star

*

 

[Dr Tigris]

2024 FREE AGENTS

*qualifies as previously delisted player

RICHMOND

Jack Graham
Noah Cumberland*
Dylan Grimes
Dustin Martin
Kamdyn McIntosh
Toby Nankervis
Dion Prestia
Ben Miller*
Sam Naismith*

Couple there who could go FA I would miss. But that looks like good list management to me.

 

[sawyer]

King set to sign new Suns deal and lock away future until free agency

Ben King is poised to re-sign with Gold Coast as the Suns set themselves for a charge towards a maiden finals berth, reports SAM EDMUND.

www.sen.com.au

 

[sregit]

Couple there who could go FA I would miss. But that looks like good list management to me.

Noah Cumberland*
Ben Miller*
Sam Naismith*

Miss these 3? Naismith wouldn't leave to go elsewhere and the other two would be zero loss.

 

[tunksy]

Noah Cumberland*
Ben Miller*
Sam Naismith*

Miss these 3? Naismith wouldn't leave to go elsewhere and the other two would be zero loss.

Nek minit miller and cumbo have break out years

 

[Noidnadroj]

Looking the way salaries are about to explode (50+ million dollar players coming up), locking away TT and Hopper for 7-years on approx $5m contracts each is going to end up being excellent business from a salary cap perspective.


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[Hank Heavenly]

Looking the way salaries are about to explode (50+ million dollar players coming up), locking away TT and Hopper for 7-years on approx $5m contracts each is going to end up being excellent business from a salary cap perspective.


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I would guess, that any decent player manager, which Paul Conners is, would build potential CBA increases into their deals... Or at least a portion of it