Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

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Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

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LOL. Hyperinflation incoming. Printing money when inflation is already high has never gone badly ever :drunk:

Printing money, wasting the national wealth fund. Using gold reserves to purchase military equipment.


Surely there must be enough people in Russia not onboard with this stuff. If it gets worse another Wagner style insurrection can't be too far away.

It's a shame that Prigohzhin listend to Lukashenko begging him to not advance on Moscow offering his soldiers safe haven in Belarus.
 
Printing money, wasting the national wealth fund. Using gold reserves to purchase military equipment.


Surely there must be enough people in Russia not onboard with this stuff. If it gets worse another Wagner style insurrection can't be too far away.

It's a shame that Prigohzhin listend to Lukashenko begging him to not advance on Moscow offering his soldiers safe haven in Belarus.
Most Russian citizens wouldn't even know they have a wealth fund / gold reserves. The names changed from Russian Empire to USSR to just Russia, but the masses are still kept as ignorant serfs, as much as the government can. The Prigohzhin one was the key one, or a future disgruntled high ranking military official. The military has needed to be on-board for any overthrow of Putin to succeed (disgruntled with being cannon fodder in WWI led many to join the Communists, removing the Czar). The cannon fodder these days, don't seem to realise they could band together and shoot those blocking forces, then head to Moscow. They are too beaten down.
 

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LOL. Hyperinflation incoming. Printing money when inflation is already high has never gone badly ever :drunk:

Hopefully the ruble's heading this way:

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Anders Puck Nielsen on the money (again):

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The Putin regime has turned into an absolute clown show, both domestically and abroad. All because Putin deluded himself into thinking Russia is an actual great power.
It is strange.

Russia has a population a bit greater than Japan, and a smaller GDP. If it wasn't for its oil and gas reserves, it's GDP would be muchuch lower.

Why do people keep regarding it as inevitable or natural that Russia be a great power?

Russia seems to see itself as a great power, and will just spend whatever is necessary on the military, then use that military to threaten everyone around it, to assert it's great power credentials.

But it doesn't have a great power economy, it cannot keep up this pretense.

The amount it's spending on its military now will hurt it's economy for years.

Putin has just used the money rolling in from raw resource exports to fund his military, and duped himself into thinking he is a great leader

He is going to be judged by history by th state he leaves Russia in, and I don't think that will be pretty.



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Tough ask given up until a few days ago aircraft from that same airbase were bombing the rebels.
Iran is definitely stuffed by this takeover and as a result so is the Lebanese Hezbollah as the flow of arms will dwindle significantly due to the land corridor now being stopped.

While l hope you are right that Russia is screwed too as it should be considering the killing they did against the rebels, they will try to throw a shitload of money the rebels way to keep their operations afloat. Its a matter of how corruptible the new mob is and whether they want to do business regardless.
 
Iran is definitely stuffed by this takeover and as a result so is the Lebanese Hezbollah as the flow of arms will dwindle significantly due to the land corridor now being stopped.

While l hope you are right that Russia is screwed too as it should be considering the killing they did against the rebels, they will try to throw a shitload of money the rebels way to keep their operations afloat. Its a matter of how corruptible the new mob is and whether they want to do business regardless.
If Russia lose influence in Syria, it might be possible to build an oil and gas pipeline direct from the middle east through Syria and Turkey to Europe.

And this would feed into that part of Europe that had the most trouble offsetting Russian supplies.

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If Russia lose influence in Syria, it might be possible to build an oil and gas pipeline direct from the middle east through Syria and Turkey to Europe.

And this would feed into that part of Europe that had the most trouble offsetting Russian supplies.

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If the new government played it smart, they could make a lot of money with this pipeline and stuff Russia up at the same time.

Hence why Russia will do everything it can to stop that happening.
 

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If the new government played it smart, they could make a lot of money with this pipeline and stuff Russia up at the same time.

Hence why Russia will do everything it can to stop that happening.
It could give however gains control in Syria enormous leverage, if they play it right.
 
Article discussing implications for Russia after the loss of it's Syrian ally.
It's a good article but misses pointing out that Syria is also a major supply route for the Wagner mercenaries in Africa which makes that lucrative security market more expensive for Russia too.
 
It's a good article but misses pointing out that Syria is also a major supply route for the Wagner mercenaries in Africa which makes that lucrative security market more expensive for Russia too.
True. There may be other things that we have not anticipated. When he started 'Putin's folly' he thought he had all the bases covered (pun unintended), but he clearly didn't. Mr P is learning that starting a major war is always a big role of the dice.
 
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Oldie but a goodie :)
According to him, a drone was allegedly shot down over the barracks of the Akhmat Kadyrov Police Regiment of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Chechnya, and the debris caused a small fire that was quickly extinguished.
Oh no, he's threatened to send his mob to the front lines. Hope he purchases enough new western iPhones so that his petrified Kadyrovites can make those Tik Tok videos of themselves pretending to play war while they are actually miles behind the frontline and any fighting.
 

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