List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[mattyc75]

What's odd about being more confident splitting a F1st when there is no clear #1 next year unlike this year there is a standout #1.

We look like we are happy to use pick 1 this year on the standout #1 talent.

The #1 pick is rarely the best player in the draft ut Harley is a standout. 2024 draft there isn't. So what are people sooooo afraid of missing out on in the top 2 or 3 picks next year?

Obviously differing opinions altho plenty are saying there's a few high end mids next year so splitting when we have an idea on who's who and what draft hand we have makes me feel a little more comfortable
Especially if we pick zz up this year. I don't see curtain playing mid at any rate so for me it's go mids early and talls later

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[Cornelius Roy]

How much better are they than Curtin plus extras?

Any what are their flight risks?

What position do you see Curtin playing at AFL level?

 

[Hook461123]

What position do you see Curtin playing at AFL level?

Quarterback
He's an elite kick and decision maker of the half back line. Which is a position we are missing now that Hurn is gone. He's pretty good 1v1 defensively so won't be a liability and he reads the play pretty well. ? over intercept and contested marking.

In time I would hope he would be one of the generals out of defense. Think Sicily, Moore, Stewart the guys who can play defense but can also setup plays from the backline.

Not sure if thats worth a F1 but would definitely be a good fit at Eagles.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I use a cup filled from the tap coz I'm an adult.

Way to go big boy! You're making your mummy proud.

 

[Bender_]

Way to go big boy! You're making your mummy proud.
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I told you not to call me Big Boy outside of our DMs.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

This 2 week window for pick swapping has been a bit pointless hasn’t it. 2 days left and literally nothing has happened or even sounds close to happening

How many posts have we made in this thread in the 2 week window? Across all similar threads in the various team boards? How many hours has SEN discussed potential trades?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

But even banking on 1,2 or 3 isn't a certainty. What if it's 6, or 7?

Is that still the same equation?

Every year some clubs end up a mile away on the ladder from where all the smart money had them finishing.

That could be us.

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Or we could finish last, and the F1 we picked up could end up being pick ~16 rather than pick ~8

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Quarterback
He's an elite kick and decision maker of the half back line. Which is a position we are missing now that Hurn is gone. He's pretty good 1v1 defensively so won't be a liability and he reads the play pretty well. ? over intercept and contested marking.

In time I would hope he would be one of the generals out of defense. Think Sicily, Moore, Stewart the guys who can play defense but can also setup plays from the backline.

Not sure if thats worth a F1 but would definitely be a good fit at Eagles.

I for one look forward to us joining the Australia Gridiron league.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I told you not to call me Big Boy outside of our DMs.

Your mum also told me sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but i still use it on occasion Big Boy.

 

[briztoon]

Camelbak

Same.

 

[FKASC]

The pot has joined the conversation

Thinks the kettle is black

But is it plastic?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

How much better are they than Curtin plus extras?

Any what are their flight risks?

2 questions back to you

1. Are you believing Curtin is the next Bont? If you see that projection in Curtin, then I would have no drama in doing the deal. BUT watching him play live, I like his skill set however I do not see Bont. Will it come? Maybe I should throw that questions back to you.

Remember that Bont had spent most of his time on a HBF and HFF in his U18 year and only started transitioning to the midfield in the very back end of the season. Doggies saw the upside and not the U18 full year output, hence their gamble payed off.

Some see Curtin as a Burchell, Curtin sees himself as a Pav, I am still undecided. I had hoped for a high roaming cameron CHF at the start o fthis year but that did not eventuate. I am probably of the view that Curtin will be a 3rd tall CHB with less emphasis on intercepting and more on attacking play out of defence plus the ability to defend (but not the King 200 cm types).

As a reference point, I see Jagga as ahead of Mckercher while O'Sullivan and Draper are on a par with McKercher. And there are likely to be additional players present to the pointy end in another 12 months.

I also see it as a real possibility that we win another spoon, or are thereabouts so every expectation that we get one of these jets with our first pick next year.



2. What sort of question is that on flight risk? How many interviews have you sat in on and are WTF thinks they know this at this stage. It sounds like you chucking stuff into the mix just to muddy the waters. To satisfy your rhetorical question, they are all about as much of a flight risk as Harley is.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

What's odd about being more confident splitting a F1st when there is no clear #1 next year unlike this year there is a standout #1.

We look like we are happy to use pick 1 this year on the standout #1 talent.

The #1 pick is rarely the best player in the draft ut Harley is a standout. 2024 draft there isn't. So what are people sooooo afraid of missing out on in the top 2 or 3 picks next year?

OK Mr I Know The Future. How do you see the shape of the first round in 2024? Remember, this is a very compromised draft next year with another Ashcroft, a couple of Carlton F/S, another Sun in Lombard, Harrison from Swans, Montgomery from Port, Welsh F/S, will Lion's Hewitt KPF at 198 cm mature and shoot up to R1, etc. A R1 from a team making a prelim in 2024 will likely be taken well into the mid 20's.

Because of the evenness in the top half dozen, I cannot see a premium for number 1. A premium for the top 4 yes and any split is likely to be something in the teens.

What I believe is that we are likely to be in a position to get a jet midfielder in 2024. Add Smith/O'Sullivan etc to a midfield team of Reid, Ginbey, Hewett and co and I start to anticipate a great engine room. And that, Old Bean, is why I do not want to so trade a future first as cheaply as you. Or maybe you just want to pick WA talent and that will be very light on in the first round next year.

 

[Obeanie1]

2 questions back to you

1. Are you believing Curtin is the next Bont? If you see that projection in Curtin, then I would have no drama in doing the deal. BUT watching him play live, I like his skill set however I do not see Bont. Will it come? Maybe I should throw that questions back to you.

Remember that Bont had spent most of his time on a HBF and HFF in his U18 year and only started transitioning to the midfield in the very back end of the season. Doggies saw the upside and not the U18 full year output, hence their gamble payed off.

Some see Curtin as a Burchell, Curtin sees himself as a Pav, I am still undecided. I had hoped for a high roaming cameron CHF at the start o fthis year but that did not eventuate. I am probably of the view that Curtin will be a 3rd tall CHB with less emphasis on intercepting and more on attacking play out of defence plus the ability to defend (but not the King 200 cm types).

As a reference point, I see Jagga as ahead of Mckercher while O'Sullivan and Draper are on a par with McKercher. And there are likely to be additional players present to the pointy end in another 12 months.

I also see it as a real possibility that we win another spoon, or are thereabouts so every expectation that we get one of these jets with our first pick next year.



2. What sort of question is that on flight risk? How many interviews have you sat in on and are WTF thinks they know this at this stage. It sounds like you chucking stuff into the mix just to muddy the waters. To satisfy your rhetorical question, they are all about as much of a flight risk as Harley is.

No just like you and 99% of everyone else I haven't sat in on any player interviews.


2. I read that the Metro boys in next years top 5 plus Draper who the Crows are super keen on have questions on flight risk.

Didn't make it up myself to 'throw it up there'.

Unlike some on here who sound like they are talking in broad sweeping terms I've gone and done some research into the 2024 draft. Lots of quality mids. More than this season and deeper. Not many quality talls rated at this time and the 1st rated WA kid is mid to late 1st round ATM.

So understanding what players are in the top 4 next season you likely miss out on

So if we take Reid and want a quality tall then maybe Curtin is that option and we trade our F1st to land that quality WA tall. Described as the best product out of WA in 10 years. Plus extras.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

No just like you and 99% of everyone else I haven't sat in on any player interviews.


2. I read that the Metro boys in next years top 5 plus Draper who the Crows are super keen on have questions on flight risk.

Didn't make it up myself to 'throw it up there'.

Unlike some on here who sound like they are talking in broad sweeping terms I've gone and done some research into the 2024 draft. Lots of quality mids. More than this season and deeper. Not many quality talls rated at this time and the 1st rated WA kid is mid to late 1st round ATM.

So understanding what players are in the top 4 next season you likely miss out on

So if we take Reid and want a quality tall then maybe Curtin is that option and we trade our F1st to land that quality WA tall. Described as the best product out of WA in 10 years. Plus extras.

But Curtin isn't a "tall"? Sure he's tall, but he doesn't want to play a key position, so he's just a tall midfielder, not a "tall" in the traditional sense of the word.

 

[Farang83150]

No just like you and 99% of everyone else I haven't sat in on any player interviews.


2. I read that the Metro boys in next years top 5 plus Draper who the Crows are super keen on have questions on flight risk.

Didn't make it up myself to 'throw it up there'.

Unlike some on here who sound like they are talking in broad sweeping terms I've gone and done some research into the 2024 draft. Lots of quality mids. More than this season and deeper. Not many quality talls rated at this time and the 1st rated WA kid is mid to late 1st round ATM.

So understanding what players are in the top 4 next season you likely miss out on

So if we take Reid and want a quality tall then maybe Curtin is that option and we trade our F1st to land that quality WA tall. Described as the best product out of WA in 10 years. Plus extras.

Described by Ablett you mean?

 

[Obeanie1]

OK Mr I Know The Future. How do you see the shape of the first round in 2024? Remember, this is a very compromised draft next year with another Ashcroft, a couple of Carlton F/S, another Sun in Lombard, Harrison from Swans, Montgomery from Port, Welsh F/S, will Lion's Hewitt KPF at 198 cm mature and shoot up to R1, etc. A R1 from a team making a prelim in 2024 will likely be taken well into the mid 20's.

Because of the evenness in the top half dozen, I cannot see a premium for number 1. A premium for the top 4 yes and any split is likely to be something in the teens.

What I believe is that we are likely to be in a position to get a jet midfielder in 2024. Add Smith/O'Sullivan etc to a midfield team of Reid, Ginbey, Hewett and co and I start to anticipate a great engine room. And that, Old Bean, is why I do not want to so trade a future first as cheaply as you. Or maybe you just want to pick WA talent and that will be very light on in the first round next year.

Well one thing I can predict is those teams with early academy or father sons will be trading out and providing opportunities to improve our picks.

And from all the reports so far it's a very strong draft for mids. Not so much talls ATM.

And I would NOT be trading a F1st cheaply. So no idea where you pulled that one from. Well actually I have a good idea where.

End of the day the club knows better than we do and if they decide to trade a F1st to land Curtin plus a couple of other picks I back them. I won't be throwing the dummy out the cot.

 

[EagleMan87]

I'd like us to take a tall or two in this draft (ZZ, Livingstone), but after that we're pretty we stocked with young KPPs IMO; especially if Billiams kicks on as a forward.

 

[noobermensch]

A player profile for Harley Reid. Trying something new, feedback is welcome.

 

[UseR2006]

On the Latest Gettable:

Kevin Sheehan joins for a Mock Draft.
Doing it based on club needs.

Doing 20 picks based on current draft order.

1. WCE - Harley Reid. (Declined a dumbass north offer).
2. North - Bids on Walter - GC Match the Bid.
3. North - Curtin
4. North - McKercher
5. Hawks - Duursma (Caddy and Watson also an option here too).
6. Dogs - Watson
7. Melbourne - Bids on Ethan Read - GC Match the Bid
8. Melbourne - O'Sullivan
9. GWS - Caddy (O'Sullivan also an option)
10. Geelong - Sanders
11. Essendon - Windsor
12. Crows - Leake
13. Melbourne - Wilson
14. Sydney - Bids on Croft - Dogs Match the Bid
15. Sydney - Hardeman
16. Saints - Bids on Rogers - GC Match the Bid
17. Saints - Tholstrup (also Demattia an option)
18. Crows - Bids on McCabe - Hawks Match the Bid
19. Crows - Demattia
20. North - Green

(They spend a good minute or so on all picks).

Phantom Draft due next week.

Public Questions:
Where does Curtin end up? (between North, Hawks, Dees and Geelong).
Those players invited to draft night.
Bombers draft targets? (Windsor, Caddy, O'Sullivan, Wilson, Hardeman).
Where do the Rucks Go? (Will be an interesting watch to see where Goad, Edwards, Green end up).
Late Draft Smokies? (Ollie Wiltcheer?, Shaun Manner).
WCE 23? (Collard, Archie Roberts).
Richmond possible picks? (looking at 2 picks Maybe Archer Reid?).
Odds on Geelong keeping it's early pick? (looking to keep).
Swans draft plans. (Look like taking a ruck, Green an option,Leake? also matching Cleary).

Draft coverage on 16,17th, 19th and 20th.

 

[Convocation]

IF
The Eagles don't trade their future first in 2023

THEN
I look forward to the same discussion about trading our next future first in the "trade & Draft Discussion 2024 post season" thread in 12 months time

 

[CountryLad]

But Curtin isn't a "tall"? Sure he's tall, but he doesn't want to play a key position, so he's just a tall midfielder, not a "tall" in the traditional sense of the word.

Sheezel was a medium sized forward this time last year. 12 months on he’s won the rising star award as a half back.

I think the argument that Curtin doesn’t know where he wants to play so he is some kind of a risk is ridiculous and have seen that view in here from a number of posters.

Tarkyn Lockyer spoke to the academy group at the start of the year and said that he knew that the majority of the group normally plays in a midfield role, but the reality was that players in that group would have to play in different roles/positions for the academy side as they would if they make it to AFL level next year. Curtin played in Defence in those games and played well particularly in the second game.

He (Curtin) will be selected by a club that sees a role or position in his potential that he’s shown over the course of the year whether that be back, forward, midfield ect ect.

He played well in games this year as both a defender and midfielder and spent time forward however they were probably his quieter games.

He will play where the coaching staff of the club that selects him thinks is the best fit for both the team and his development.

He’s a quality player, they will find a position/role for him and then the rest is up to him.

 

[Dark Sharks]

A lot can change in 12 months. At the moment there's no clear number one pick candidate for 2024.

Rewind the clock 12 months ago and Harley was easily the most highly rated talent and could've been selected then, if eligible. Moir was a top prospect and Edwards was also going to be taken a lot higher. Now you'd be lucky for both to still be in the second round.

Year before it was all about Scully and Lemmy, which amounted to heck all.

I'm not advocating trading our F1, but it should be under consideration like everything else, nothing is off the table. If Curtin slides and the opportunity is there without cooking our 24 draft hand completely, it's worth chasing.

He's hardly a spud, and provides something we really don't have. Few teams possess his skills and athletic traits/versatility. Won't be playing as KPD initially, would prefer seeing him as a (clears throat) defensive winger, but not the spud type Simmo' loves to guard space with. More so a free wheeling winger who's always dropping back behind the ball making things happen from defense.

Either that or we draft a mid, along with yet another likely mid next year, meanwhile the spine starts to look pretty average.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

No just like you and 99% of everyone else I haven't sat in on any player interviews.


2. I read that the Metro boys in next years top 5 plus Draper who the Crows are super keen on have questions on flight risk.

Didn't make it up myself to 'throw it up there'.

Unlike some on here who sound like they are talking in broad sweeping terms I've gone and done some research into the 2024 draft. Lots of quality mids. More than this season and deeper. Not many quality talls rated at this time and the 1st rated WA kid is mid to late 1st round ATM.

So understanding what players are in the top 4 next season you likely miss out on

So if we take Reid and want a quality tall then maybe Curtin is that option and we trade our F1st to land that quality WA tall. Described as the best product out of WA in 10 years. Plus extras.

So why do you want Curtin so much? You avoided my main question.

 

[Avalor]

Or we could finish last, and the F1 we picked up could end up being pick ~16 rather than pick ~8

We won't finish last. We will rise up the table - how far is debatable, but I can see us winning, say 8 games.
And as for Curtin, on the Gettable's mock draft today, he was selected by Shifter at pick 3. So is he worth it? Yes, a resounding Yes.
Even with selling our future 1st, I don't think we would be able to get Curtin, but I would still do it. There's plenty of talent available - Ablett has this draft as good as any he has seen, and I trust his, and Shifter's opinion on this, rather than some random on BF.