News Media Thread, 2024: Insightful, Inciteful and Incomptent

[wirra44]

Peter must have just caught up with Suma’s interview on sports fm last week where he went over all this at about the 19 min mark




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Funny how he was having a go at pyke after apparently him naming all these great players that have been picked at pick 12 saying don it’s gonna be pick 15. Before that suma named all the great players picked at pick 3 when it’s clearly gonna be pick 4.

 

[ghostbat12]

Here was the gossip

Just heard how Pyke fired Trevor Woodhouse (30 year Eagles recruicter who was unhappy about the trading of pick 3). Got the new bloke to fly over from Adelaide to tell him rather than tell him himself. Pyke has known Woodhouse the entire time basically and didn't have the balls to front him. Also, couldn't handle legitimate critisism so fired the bloke instead. Pyke has been the biggest dissapointment during this entire debacle I reckon. I understood Simmo's calls (connection to players etc...) but cannot understand ANYTHING Pyke is doing. Absolutely shoking. Rant over.

That is one way to look at it.

In a decent sized organisation, ceo doesn’t go around firing people personally themself so nothing here is or of ordinary. Irrelevant who knew who and how long. Doesn’t mean they were friends.

Also, if new bloke from Adelaide did it(recruitment manager), then it’s totally appropriate that your own manager does it.

Firing someone is a big deal, very unlikely simply because of airing that you are unhappy. Could be, but maybe he feels he has given too much leeway but you can’t have people not pulling in same direction. When there are alot of changes, some people are just not happy.

Recruiting has been shite and changes are needed.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

So Suma has it in for Pyke because he’s the only ex-player not offered a job?

 

[Goroyals22]

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So Suma has it in for Pyke because he’s the only ex-player not offered a job?

He has it in for anyone who sacks anyone that he has a relationship with.


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[flamingEMBERS]

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Pretty sure that’s Woodhouse sitting in front of Nisbett at the draft last year. If that’s true at least one person had some f**king sense but now he’s gone too.

No offence to anyone employed and later in life but it does seem like that room had a pretty distinct type.

Potentially a few of Nisbett’s “yes men”, we’ve been hearing about?

 

[eaglevision]

No offence to anyone employed and later in life but it does seem like that room had a pretty distinct type.

Potentially a few of Nisbett’s “yes men”, we’ve been hearing about?

100%. I made that exact comment after the draft last year in that every war room had a couple of very experienced recruiters but mainly blokes late 30s/early 40s that may have a handle on the modern game. Norf even had Red Foo in there but ours was a salt and pepper convention. Mainly salt.

 

[javaguice]

…cannot understand ANYTHING Pyke is doing. Absolutely shocking. Rant over.

But anyway it’s just gossip - no idea tbh.

Haha the rant a copy pasta of a mates text

 

[Monocle]

That is one way to look at it.

In a decent sized organisation, ceo doesn’t go around firing people personally themself so nothing here is or of ordinary. Irrelevant who knew who and how long. Doesn’t mean they were friends.

Also, if new bloke from Adelaide did it(recruitment manager), then it’s totally appropriate that your own manager does it.

Firing someone is a big deal, very unlikely simply because of airing that you are unhappy. Could be, but maybe he feels he has given too much leeway but you can’t have people not pulling in same direction. When there are alot of changes, some people are just not happy.

Recruiting has been shite and changes are needed.

Good post.

If you want to get new ideas, new blood, new younger talent into the Club.

Then someone has to go.

No problem personally with a new broom coming through all levels and departments of the Club.

When change is introduced into any organisation, there are those who embrace it and work with it, and those who resist it.
For the change to have it’s best chance of success, then the resistors need to be be moved on asap.

Our recruiting and drafting has had its critics over the past half dozen years, and those at the helm need to be held accountable.
So I have no problem with us parting ways with long standing employees, over who’s watch we haven’t perform as well as hoped for.

It’s been my opinion and I have expressed it several times on here previously, that we have a player type and personality type that has a similarity in those we draft and those we choose to pass over.

Simpson inadvertently, “gaffed up” a few years ago, by outlining what personality, educational and family dynamics we prefer.

Our drafting has been very hit and miss, so a change in direction and who we trust to make these critical choices, is IMO a good thing.

If you don’t like what’s repeatedly happening, then put some change in place.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

100%. I made that exact comment after the draft last year in that every war room had a couple of very experienced recruiters but mainly blokes late 30s/early 40s that may have a handle on the modern game. Norf even had Red Foo in there but ours was a salt and pepper convention. Mainly salt.

Yeah, there are boys clubs then there's Nissies 30 year boys club. I'm fine with Pyke putting the broom through the place. Bet it smells like dust mites over there.

 

[Mattman93]

To play devil's advocate, if the rumours are true, the disconcerting part wouldn't be the forced personnel changes but the timing. Woodhouse being sacked now, a month before the draft, would definitely indicate something sour went down.

 

[Mattman93]

100%. I made that exact comment after the draft last year in that every war room had a couple of very experienced recruiters but mainly blokes late 30s/early 40s that may have a handle on the modern game. Norf even had Red Foo in there but ours was a salt and pepper convention. Mainly salt.

Not sure what you mean, it's clear that prior even to Pyke WCE had begun scouring the country for the brightest young recruiting minds:



god help us

 

[Tugga27]

Genuine mountain out of molehill stuff this..

Pykes making the changes he deems necessary and its obviously going to ruffle some feathers. That's good, the club needs it

Sumas whole gripe (apart from the pick 3 stuff which is jury out at this stage) is how its all being handled rather than whether it should be done or not. Always going to be upset parties when long termers are moved on

Then Vlahos and some nuffies have run with some Chinese whispers version of the exact same thing and it's become "the clubs a mess"

Good points but I'm not sure how splitting pick 3 is up for debate.

 

[flyinghi64]

Hope he wins the Reverse Coleman.

Now he is with a Melbourne club that doesn't play half their games on a Sunday afternoon watch him actually get some Golden Fist votes.

 

[RookiePick]

Let's gooooo Don! Sweeping out the dusty corners, descaling the Nesbitto machine, taking an angle grinder to the rusted on parts of the club. I reckon it's bloody excellent stuff.

We definitely need more Chris Lewis from our recruiters and less crispy private school boy uniforms.

Every mother-lover at the club must feel like the subject of a Stocks article. Under Notice!

I think we are really seeing the return to a high performance environment. Pyke is backing in his people, as evidenced by signing off on trading out of pick 3 but I think it's pretty clear that the time of consequence is also upon us. Great leadership from the Don.

Meanwhile at V(a)FL House, with their media lackeys who have been kicking the bejesus out of us whilst we were down:




(Thanks for the 30 years Mr Woodhouse, you've obviously contributed to getting many decisions right across the journey, as evidenced by the huge number of fantastic players we have had but it's time for a new generation and a new outlook to carry the club forward)

 

[amazingjoshy]

Good points but I'm not sure how splitting pick 3 is up for debate.

Because the draft hasn't even been held yet?

If whoever we get at 12 turns out to be a gun and Baker proves to be integral to a culture turnaround, you won't consider that a win?

We won't know for years

 

[Tugga27]

Because the draft hasn't even been held yet?

If whoever we get at 12 turns out to be a gun and Baker proves to be integral to a culture turnaround, you won't consider that a win?

We won't know for years

Even if pick 12 turns out good, can only really judge on how the top 3 go IMO.

Like others have said, splitting it wasn't the worst thing, it was overpaying for baker.

Having said that, I would rather us just use pick 3.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Even if pick 12 turns out good, can only really judge on how the top 3 go IMO.

Like others have said, splitting it wasn't the worst thing, it was overpaying for baker.

Having said that, I would rather us just use pick 3.

Agree about the overpaying for Baker without doubt. Didnt like the pick split either but its all just opinions at this stage. No one knows how it will turn out ultimately

For comparisons sake (because we know thats going to happen continually over the next few years), Ashcroft and whoever goes before Carltons pick don't matter.

It's basically whoever Carlton picks vs whoever we pick (plus the output of Baker and Owies)

 

[ziad]

That is one way to look at it.

In a decent sized organisation, ceo doesn’t go around firing people personally themself so nothing here is or of ordinary. Irrelevant who knew who and how long. Doesn’t mean they were friends.

Also, if new bloke from Adelaide did it(recruitment manager), then it’s totally appropriate that your own manager does it.

Firing someone is a big deal, very unlikely simply because of airing that you are unhappy. Could be, but maybe he feels he has given too much leeway but you can’t have people not pulling in same direction. When there are alot of changes, some people are just not happy.

Recruiting has been shite and changes are needed.

Not a CEO's role and Woodhouse has been one of the boys for 30 years recruited by mates (many grew up together), certainly not on merit.

 

[happy_eagle]

We definitely need more Chris Lewis from our recruiters and less crispy private school boy uniforms.

Chris Lewis went to Christ Church Grammar

Not entirely sure what you are talking about here?

 

[Big_Birdy]

Agree about the overpaying for Baker without doubt. Didnt like the pick split either but its all just opinions at this stage. No one knows how it will turn out ultimately

For comparisons sake (because we know thats going to happen continually over the next few years), Ashcroft and whoever goes before Carltons pick don't matter.

It's basically whoever Carlton picks vs whoever we pick (plus the output of Baker and Owies)

Excuse me Joshy, but you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

The same types who melted over us not picking up Luke Valente, sprayed urine over the walls when we took Oscar Allen with our second pick and wanted Jake Waterman delisted last year have spoken.

 

[Boohemian]

Chris Lewis went to Christ Church Grammar

Not entirely sure what you are talking about here?

Rookiepick is making a none too nuanced take on the correlation between one's ethnicity and character.

 

[happy_eagle]

Rookiepick is making a none too nuanced take on the correlation between one's ethnicity and character.

That was my concern, but wanted to at least give him the benefit of doubt.

 

[RookiePick]

FFS. Chris played the game hard as nails and Chris and crispy alliterate.

Get a life you lot.

 

[plays tall 1]

Woodhouse made a huge contribution to the club, McGovern one of his gems. It’s hard to gauge the extent to which he can be held responsible for the poor drafting in recent years when O’Brien was the ultimate decision maker. Only those in the inner sanctum would have an informed opinion on that.

Here’s an article on Woodhouse from a few years ago:

https://archive.md/Wzhir