List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[diddley1984]

When was the last time someone had 4 years out of the game and made a sucessful come back?

Andrew Krakouer.
4 years out of the AFL system including time in prison.
I think Bennell has a higher ceiling than that (not to mention he never went to prison), plus he hasn’t been out of the system in that time either. So his fitness, skills and general knowledge of the game would be generally up to date.

 

[can coach]

I think we will still look for another ruckmen. Not to exciting but Ryan Gardiner from Geelong and Archie Smith from Brisbane have become available . Both clubs wanna rookie them back but if we jump in earlier should come straight onto our list.

 

[#gosaintas]

I think we will still look for another ruckmen. Not to exciting but Ryan Gardiner from Geelong and Archie Smith from Brisbane have become available . Both clubs wanna rookie them back but if we jump in earlier should come straight onto our list.

The club has already said that this is the case - duh

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Potential payoff is too good to not take a chance on, particularly when he plays in an area where we have a massive need. Our “great character from good stock” approach failed miserably.

No it didn't , it was our trying to choose players who would be good approach that failed.
Picking feral spuds wouldn't have helped us more than picking good character spuds.

 

[George]

Yeah look, I don't want Bennell at all.

We will be going backwards the day we decide to put talent over character.

 

[Yawkey way]

Yeah look, I don't want Bennell at all.

We will be going backwards the day we decide to put talent over character.

I can’t believe a guy who hasn’t been able to get on the park the last 4 years is even been talked about.

It’s a total waste of a list spot, pick a kid who might turn up trumps we’ve done very well lately out of late picks.

Bennell could have been a superstar but those days are long gone imo, if someone else gives him another chance then good luck to him but I hope it’s not us.

I agree with you George we don’t need a team of choirboys but character matters.

 

[Ducky Tie]

Yeah look, I don't want Bennell at all.

We will be going backwards the day we decide to put talent over character.

Not necessarily saying we should get Bennell, but the character over talent mantra is not one that gets backed up via history. Plenty of idiots have been picked up by clubs and played crucial roles in successful teams. Most teams would have an unofficial balancing criteria of balancing talent along with what they can manage. It isn’t a clear cut talent vs character.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Wouldn't make us relevant, just not invisible. I'd rather be bad ass than shit.

So “bad ass or shit”? That’s the choice?

We weren’t invisible during the trade period, and if we play decent footy next season we won’t be invisible then either.

I’m not hanging my hat on a may-be, could-be, barely-played-in-four-years player with a terrible reputation to make us more visible.

Add his issues to the fact that he’s barely played through chronic injury for years and that’s a lose/lose combination for me.

 

[jwikked]

Yeah look, I don't want Bennell at all.

We will be going backwards the day we decide to put talent over character.

I don't want Benell at all, but the character over talent thing is why we've been shit for 7 years.
time to pick up some batboys who can play footy, rather than the goodboys who are ok at footy.

 

[Sir Skid]

Signed with Sydney. 2 year deal.

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[George]

I can’t believe a guy who hasn’t been able to get on the park the last 4 years is even been talked about.

It’s a total waste of a list spot, pick a kid who might turn up trumps we’ve done very well lately out of late picks.

Bennell could have been a superstar but those days are long gone imo, if someone else gives him another chance then good luck to him but I hope it’s not us.

I agree with you George we don’t need a team of choirboys but character matters.

Hasn't played in four years either. Yes there are degrees of how average someone's character is but seriously Bennell has done more than enough damage to his reputation to tell me clubs shouldn't go near him.

Not necessarily saying we should get Bennell, but the character over talent mantra is not one that gets backed up via history. Plenty of idiots have been picked up by clubs and played crucial roles in successful teams. Most teams would have an unofficial balancing criteria of balancing talent along with what they can manage. It isn’t a clear cut talent vs character.

I never said it was.

I don't want Benell at all, but the character over talent thing is why we've been shit for 7 years.
time to pick up some batboys who can play footy, rather than the goodboys who are ok at footy.

Do you really think that if we picked dropkicks instead that we would somehow be a better team? You don't really think that. Surely.

And why can't we go for both. Why can't we have talented players with good character.

 

[jwikked]

And why can't we go for both. Why can't we have talented players with good character.

Of course we could go for both, but when there's a "no dickheads" policy, and the team targeted goodboys while overlooking others in the last 5 or 6 years, it becomes a problem. Thankfully, it seems that policy is dead.

You want talent first. Available talent.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

We might find another player in Saints colours from tomorrow.

 

[tomjoad]

i actually reckon it carries more risk now. he aint getting another contract after this one. so if he fu**s up, he doesn't lose anything at all.

all he needs is to sell his way into another gig, the rest doesnt matter at all.

Fair point. I'd imagine the contract would have to be heavily incentives and conditions based...IF it happens at all.

 

[George]

Of course we could go for both, but when there's a "no dickheads" policy, and the team targeted goodboys while overlooking others in the last 5 or 6 years, it becomes a problem. Thankfully, it seems that policy is dead.

You want talent first. Available talent.

Who were the dickheads that we overlooked that would've given us a better chance in the last 5-6 years?

 

[OxSaint]

We might find another player in Saints colours from tomorrow.

And you aren’t going to tell us who?

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

Not necessarily saying we should get Bennell, but the character over talent mantra is not one that gets backed up via history. Plenty of idiots have been picked up by clubs and played crucial roles in successful teams. Most teams would have an unofficial balancing criteria of balancing talent along with what they can manage. It isn’t a clear cut talent vs character.

Martin Pike As an example

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

Who were the dickheads that we overlooked that would've given us a better chance in the last 5-6 years?

Gherig aside,I am struggling to think of 2 players over the last 20 years that have come from another clubs main list and made a meaningful contribution on field .
yes Hamill ,but not long enough .

 

[Diehard Saint]

Gherig aside,I am struggling to think of 2 players over the last 20 years that have come from another clubs main list and made a meaningful contribution on field .
yes Hamill ,but not long enough .

Dempster and Schneids were pretty handy.

 

[George]

Gherig aside,I am struggling to think of 2 players over the last 20 years that have come from another clubs main list and made a meaningful contribution on field .
yes Hamill ,but not long enough .

Dempster and Schneids were pretty handy.

All four not dickheads unless I've missed something.

 

[StCicatriz]

What kind of language?
You are the one typing swear words.

You do live in a dream bro if you think everyone is as straight laced as you claim to be.
How's the view from up on that high horse?

The boys been a rascal.
He's now 27 and a father, deserves another chance to make a career out of his talent.

multiple counts of illegal activity is not "being a rascal". tell that to the family of the father who had his head stomped in by his mates that he tried to defend.

i doubt freo and GC see it as him being a "rascal" doubt anyone else does either.

two clubs have now booted him. he's 27. not 14.

 

[DGontheQT]

I hope someone picks Bennell up.
I just hope it isn't us.
The Dockers didn't lose faith in his character. They lost faith in his body.
I'm still getting over Freemans hamstring.

 

[StCicatriz]

Andrew Krakouer.
4 years out of the AFL system including time in prison.
I think Bennell has a higher ceiling than that (not to mention he never went to prison), plus he hasn’t been out of the system in that time either. So his fitness, skills and general knowledge of the game would be generally up to date.

Kraks also didn't have long running issues like Bennell does

kraks issue was a long running family feud that goes back literally decades, well before he was born. he got involved in it and paid the price.

also Kraks didnt see out another contract from memory, he did his two years and was gone. so probs not a good example here in defencive of bennell.

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

Dempster and Schneids were pretty handy.

Fair Enough

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

Who were the dickheads that we overlooked that would've given us a better chance in the last 5-6 years?

dustin martin goes alright