List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part III

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

 

[Mat Mann]

I think it

still is a first rounder though. BrutThough just replying to your post as well.

i'm pretty sure that's what our Richmond poster is suggesting is a swap of FR picks and we get Higgins - that is ridiculously in our favour. Just goes to show how much more reasonable Richmond are to deal with than say Essendon.

or Adelaide

 

[Premium]

I get the outrage by the Crows about Crouch , but really the team needs change and getting rid of a player that just got busted for coke who wanted out last year you couldn't expect to get the best compensation for him.
Last year we lost Steven , even if there was question marks on him no one was to know he couldn't get back to his best form and we copped a raw deal with him , paying some of his salary and getting really nothing draft wise, yet we never turned on the club the same way the Crows have on there management.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Greetings, I come in peace.
We've been having a discussion over on our board about a potential trade for Higgins, and I'm not sure if my rose tinted glasses are impairing my vision on this one, but let me know what you think.

Richmond gives: Higgins and Pick 21 (was 19)
St Kilda gives: Pick 17 (was 15)

The consensus on our board that it wasn't fair for us, for only a four spot upgrade. I believe its fair because those four spots could be crucial depending on who is available.

Don't flame me please lol

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That's a bit unfair to your lot, but it depends on how Higgins is valued and if the club want to look after him like they did with Butts..

IMO the Saints aught get a hold of the Dog's first and use that in the same trade that you've nominated.

There are 2-3 NGA bids projected to fall between 15 and 21, and with the 2 bids projected before 15 the final picks will likely end up at 17(Dogs) and 24(Tigs) which provides you a bit better value.

Jack carries a bit of risk now, so I think that will be reflected in the offering and you won't get what you might have thought based on his past form.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Just a bit of a visual indicator of our depth chart

Legend:
START 18 EXTENDED I/C DEPTH LIST CLOGGER

Small / Medium Defenders	Coffield	Wilkie	Paton	Long	Geary	Savage	Roberton	Webster
Key Defenders	Howard	Carlisle	Clavarino	Joyce
Rucks	Ryder	Marshall	Alabakis
Inside Mids	Steele	Crouch	Dunstan	Bytel
General Mids	Treloar	Clark	Jones	Hannebery	Ross	Philips
Wings	Hill	Sinclair
Small / Medium Forwards	Butler	Gresham	Billings	Higgins	Lonie	Kent	Parker	Hind
Key Forwards	King	Membrey	McKernan
Utilities	Battle	Marsh	McKenzie

For all the talk about trading Ross away, I still believe he is an important part of our rotations. I would still have him in our best 22, but it is almost certain that one of Crouch / Hannebery / Treloar would be unavailable on any given week. As such, I would want to keep Ross.

Dunstan only comes in for when at least one, and probably both of Steele and Crouch are unavailable. In those very rare games, I believe we would value getting gametime into Bytel over the slight edge Dunstan may currently have.

I believe the list sizes are going down to 38 and assuming we still need to take 3 picks (1 of them can be used upgrading Wilkie), we probably need to get rid of 5 players from the above.

I would be looking to get any draft value we can get out of Webster / Lonie / Dunstan / Hind (get rid of at least 2)

Delist and rookie Roberton / McKenzie

Delist Philips

A bit harsh on a few..
I can't see how Clav and Parker are depth but Marsh/Kent/Hind are rolled in with Dmac as cloggers..
I get it's by position, but if your spreadsheet produces incorrect results, then the input criteria are faulty...

 

[gringo2011]

I’m sure Dunkley will cost 2 first rounders..
Now for those concerned about the disposal of crouch or treloar I raise you 1 Dunkley.
Absolutely hacks it.
In terms of disposal I’d say,
Crouch>treloar>Dunkley.
Dunno what the bummers are thinking going all out for Dunkley when treloar is available and crouch was.
Set aside by Sydney.
Depth mid at doggies.

He's a gun still, people shouldn't expect perfect disposal from inside mids. Dogs seem to have really good luck finding elite mids but not many have a point of difference except for Bailey Smith

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[gringo2011]

Spanner for the dogs.... Essendon can’t trade a future pick if they move one out for Caldwell I believe.

dogs have fu** all interest in first rounders this year.

you probably need another 2 clubs to get involved.

The Dogs don't need more midfielders any way. It would be a weird move for them to chase Treloar on huge money.. They need another good tall back and a ruck. Perhaps some smaller forwards as well. They look a bit predictable with their forward line to me. If I was the Dogs I'd demand Draper and Ridley plus a FRDP or **** off.

 

[marcus1232]

I get the outrage by the Crows about Crouch , but really the team needs change and getting rid of a player that just got busted for coke who wanted out last year you couldn't expect to get the best compensation for him.
Last year we lost Steven , even if there was question marks on him no one was to know he couldn't get back to his best form and we copped a raw deal with him , paying some of his salary and getting really nothing draft wise, yet we never turned on the club the same way the Crows have on there management.

Deep down the outrage isn’t against us.
It’s at there own club and the way they completely mis managed the whole situation from the outset.
It was embarrassing really

 

[bergholt]

Just a bit of a visual indicator of our depth chart

Legend:
START 18 EXTENDED I/C DEPTH LIST CLOGGER

Small / Medium Defenders	Coffield	Wilkie	Paton	Long	Geary	Savage	Roberton	Webster
Key Defenders	Howard	Carlisle	Clavarino	Joyce
Rucks	Ryder	Marshall	Alabakis
Inside Mids	Steele	Crouch	Dunstan	Bytel
General Mids	Treloar	Clark	Jones	Hannebery	Ross	Philips
Wings	Hill	Sinclair
Small / Medium Forwards	Butler	Gresham	Billings	Higgins	Lonie	Kent	Parker	Hind
Key Forwards	King	Membrey	McKernan
Utilities	Battle	Marsh	McKenzie

For all the talk about trading Ross away, I still believe he is an important part of our rotations. I would still have him in our best 22, but it is almost certain that one of Crouch / Hannebery / Treloar would be unavailable on any given week. As such, I would want to keep Ross.

Dunstan only comes in for when at least one, and probably both of Steele and Crouch are unavailable. In those very rare games, I believe we would value getting gametime into Bytel over the slight edge Dunstan may currently have.

I believe the list sizes are going down to 38 and assuming we still need to take 3 picks (1 of them can be used upgrading Wilkie), we probably need to get rid of 5 players from the above.

I would be looking to get any draft value we can get out of Webster / Lonie / Dunstan / Hind (get rid of at least 2)

Delist and rookie Roberton / McKenzie

Delist Philips

Very nice work. I'd probably try to put the utilities in their positions, and McKernan. So add McKernan to ruck depth; Marsh and Battle to key back and key forward depth. And I'd put McKenzie in small/medium def, don't think he's realistically anything else at AFL level.

 

[Tigerssaints]

lets , lets Go

Finally we are a DESTINATION CLUB
thanks too the early pick up of Dan Hannebery
cost irrelevant,


(has been going the other way for years )

 

[bergholt]

Given our Higgins is a maybe to come to you, I was looking at your team and I just don't see what the point would be.

Tend to agree mate, though Gresh pushes up through midfield, and Sinclair might or might not be best 22 next year.

 

[Remboy]

The Dogs don't need more midfielders any way. It would be a weird move for them to chase Treloar on huge money.. They need another good tall back and a ruck. Perhaps some smaller forwards as well. They look a bit predictable with their forward line to me. If I was the Dogs I'd demand Draper and Ridley plus a FRDP or fu** off.

The Dogs could do with a key forward to make up for the bloke who did stuff all this year and is contracted for three more years.

 

[RobbieMuir]

Relevant to the alleged conversation between Treloar and Buckley about AT being hard to coach, I have a workmate that suffers from OCD.

He is a terrific bloke with a great work ethic, and his work is of the highest quality. He can, however, be very frustrating at times, as we work in a team environment with twenty others and he tends to get bogged down.

Likewise, Treloar sounds like a decent guy, but one who might frustrate his team mates due to his compulsion for professionalism.

I don’t think Treloar would be an unpopular player among our playing group if he were to come to us. The players may even benefit from observing the way he meticulously prepares himself for games.

I hope (and doubt) that rumours of his behaviour have any bearing on whether we make a play for him.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

The Dogs could do with a key forward to make up for the bloke who did stuff all this year and is contracted for three more years.

Bloke just needs to get himself fit again

 

[LiterallyNobody]

The Dogs could do with a key forward to make up for the bloke who did stuff all this year and is contracted for three more years.

What kind of stupid team would trade in a bloke like that?!!

 

[Cleanupsoup]

Saints have a review of the 2020 season on its website and it mentioned an oval called Alpaca Park.
Where is that please

Just looked into it, apparently Alpacca Paddock was the name of an Albert Park field in the late 1800s

The 7 footy grounds you’ve probably never heard of

“OUR banners fly on high, from dawn to dark, down at Argyle Paddock.” It doesn’t have the same ring to it. Probably because the song was penned specifically for Kardinia Park and …

www.google.com

 

[snails13]

Just looked into it, apparently Alpacca Paddock was the name of an Albert Park field in the late 1800s

The 7 footy grounds you’ve probably never heard of

“OUR banners fly on high, from dawn to dark, down at Argyle Paddock.” It doesn’t have the same ring to it. Probably because the song was penned specifically for Kardinia Park and …

www.google.com

Cheers

 

[Armoooo]

A bit harsh on a few..
I can't see how Clav and Parker are depth but Marsh/Kent/Hind are rolled in with Dmac as cloggers..
I get it's by position, but if your spreadsheet produces incorrect results, then the input criteria are faulty...

Clav is based purely on reports coming out of the club and scratch matches that he seemed to be next in line for the key back spot. Hind is a more senior-ready player, but if Howard and Carlisle both went down, Clav comes in. At this stage, guys like Hind / Kent / Marsh are going to need a good 5 or 6 players unavailable to be able to crack the side.

Parker was a purely discretional call. He and Bytel, both probably didn't fit into the criteria of depth as I meant it, they should probably be in a group with Byrnes and Connolly who I am now just realise I overlooked altogether as "Developing".

But essentially, if you're outside the best 22 and there are 2 or more players in front of you for your position, I think you're clogging the list. It's more about their value to our team.

 

[scotteydog]

I can't understand why leathlen is stating our salary cap is now too tight, after stating in the later part of last season that we had a fair bit of room still. Crouch cost us 600k, not astronomical a price. Offload Dunstan, Lonie & Ross & surely we could pick up Higgins or a Constable at least. Is he bluffing again? Hope so.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I can't understand why leathlen is stating our salary cap is now too tight, after stating in the later part of last season that we had a fair bit of room still. Crouch cost us 600k, not astronomical a price. Offload Dunstan, Lonie & Ross & surely we could pick up Higgins or a Constable at least. Is he bluffing again? Hope so.

Just playing the game. Amazing that Collingwood have such little hand that that’s the game.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I can't understand why leathlen is stating our salary cap is now too tight, after stating in the later part of last season that we had a fair bit of room still. Crouch cost us 600k, not astronomical a price. Offload Dunstan, Lonie & Ross & surely we could pick up Higgins or a Constable at least. Is he bluffing again? Hope so.

Satan just playing the game...

 

[The_Steadier]

I can't understand why leathlen is stating our salary cap is now too tight,

Because he was talking about treloar.

He wasn't saying our cap is too tight.

He was saying it was to tight to entertain paying treloar 700x1 and then 900k x4.

That is a big difference.

Plus what you can afford is highly dependant on the player you are talking about.
For instance our cap is too tight to fit 4.5mil for treloar in... but I'm sure if we were talking ben king

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and not treloar- we'd find all that 4.5mil and more to make it happen.

It's basically just his nice way of saying 'we don't want treloar at the current asking price'.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Clav is based purely on reports coming out of the club and scratch matches that he seemed to be next in line for the key back spot. Hind is a more senior-ready player, but if Howard and Carlisle both went down, Clav comes in. At this stage, guys like Hind / Kent / Marsh are going to need a good 5 or 6 players unavailable to be able to crack the side.

Parker was a purely discretional call. He and Bytel, both probably didn't fit into the criteria of depth as I meant it, they should probably be in a group with Byrnes and Connolly who I am now just realise I overlooked altogether as "Developing".

But essentially, if you're outside the best 22 and there are 2 or more players in front of you for your position, I think you're clogging the list. It's more about their value to our team.

Observers seem the think Marsh is way in front of Clav for the same roll.
Those same people have politely suggested the club is full of s*** in regard to Clav's reviews..
Anyway, what you've done tells a tale. Mostly that our 22 is looking much much better...

 

[Armoooo]

Observers seem the think Marsh is way in front of Clav for the same roll.
Those same people have politely suggested the club is full of s*** in regard to Clav's reviews..
Anyway, what you've done tells a tale. Mostly that our 22 is looking much much better...

Honestly, the coded rating is always going to be subjective, the rankings by position should be pretty close. Some people would argue Gresh should be in the inside mids as well as Treloar etc. Always going to be an inexact science.

The thing that it highlights for me however is that we really can afford to bring in Treloar without the balance being thrown off. I also wouldn't be as keen for Witherden as I once was.

Another thing that it points out for me with our lack of quality big man depth coming through is that we have a massive, Ben King

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sized hole in our squad. If he is seriously still a chance, then our list seems to be tailor made for him.

 

[L_W_P]

I rekon we are into Treloar big time.

Satan and the Banker just waiting for trade window to start closing and the Pies to get a little desperate...