List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

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Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Shaun McKernan

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...
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pebblesofsand said:
You need another category Trade/Keep

Ross, Dunstan and Billings - no club is paying $1.5M a year for three "depth" players. If they aren't starting 22, they are Acres.

If they are starting 22, will they be starting 22 the following year?
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Where did you get that amount from?

Dunstan is not, which is why he is leaving.
Billings would absolutely be best 22.
Ross, more likely than not.
 
Beard of Zeus said:
If Stephens and McLean are gettable, if we could somehow get Battle and/or Ross involved with a weaker pick, we'd be flying.

Question is, how good is Stephens? Would you trade out our first and say Battle or Ross for Stephens and McLean and a 2nd?

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On the 3 occasions that I've seen the swans play with Stephens in the side he has been a mix of anonymous and horrendous (when he is near the ball). If he wasn't a pick 5 no one would remotely be having this conversation.
The swans would be lucky to get anything above a 3rd round pick. Avoid.
 

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Beard of Zeus said:
If Stephens and McLean are gettable, if we could somehow get Battle and/or Ross involved with a weaker pick, we'd be flying.

Question is, how good is Stephens? Would you trade out our first and say Battle or Ross for Stephens and McLean and a 2nd?

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There's no way we'd trade out our first for a guy like Stephens.
 
BrutThough said:
Where did you get that amount from?

Dunstan is not, which is why he is leaving.
Billings would absolutely be best 22.
Ross, more likely than not.
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:) Picked it out of my a*** for the sake of the discussion.

The post said those players were "Trade or Depth". Paying anything like the money you'd need to keep those three to be "depth" shouldn't happen because it would be shocking list management. That's why I said he needed a Trade/Keep category.

All three of them will be assessed very carefully in the light of their trade value V's their value to the team V's their contract cost.

I'd add Battle and Long to that list but only if some other club asked the question given they are contracted players.
 
joydivision22 said:
If we extrapolate Sharman’s 5 game sample out to 22 rounds, he would’ve finished on 53 goals for a debut season. Keep working on your tan Binga..
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joydivision22 said:
thanks for showing the working to the class
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Browny2Carlisle said:
4 games. First one was medi sub. I think he’s averaging 2.5 goals a game which is 5th in the comp
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Nah - I think you'll find he's only played 3 1/2 game's because he started as medi sub in his second game as well. So he's played 3 1/2 games (14 qtrs) for 10 goals. So the maths becomes

10 goals -/- 14 (qtrs) X 88 (22 games x 4 qtrs) = 63 goals

Move over Harry we've got a new Coleman Medalist!!!
 
Beard of Zeus said:
If Stephens and McLean are gettable, if we could somehow get Battle and/or Ross involved with a weaker pick, we'd be flying.

Question is, how good is Stephens? Would you trade out our first and say Battle or Ross for Stephens and McLean and a 2nd?

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Stephens was pick 5 in the draft before last, they'll want our first. I'd rather pick our own, it's not like he's ready to play top footy next year.
 
BrutThough said:
Don't think we have a need for Pendlebury.
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Give him 2 seasons back ended 2023 with Hannebery’s money, simple to change your avatar as well if Billings stays. 😏

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MightySaint said:
If the swans genuinely have a salary cap squeeze, I'd be kicking the tires on Ollie Florent. Not a world beater but a good player at the right price.
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Did Dawson sign, he looks a star. He's a half back architect who uses his long precise kicking and can play mid or forward. I'd kill for him, he's due for a huge pay rise and the Swans can't pay it.

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MightySaint said:
If the swans genuinely have a salary cap squeeze, I'd be kicking the tires on Ollie Florent. Not a world beater but a good player at the right price.
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Darren Parkin mentioned that there was some link of us to Florent on last week’s Unpluggered.

I rate Ollie highly… a very good player that’s a bit hidden up in Sin City.


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pebblesofsand said:
Nah - I think you'll find he's only played 3 1/2 game's because he started as medi sub in his second game as well. So he's played 3 1/2 games (14 qtrs) for 10 goals. So the maths becomes

10 goals -/- 14 (qtrs) X 88 (22 games x 4 qtrs) = 63 goals

Move over Harry we've got a new Coleman Medalist!!!
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Now do the equation by Time on Ground and we might get over 70 goals!
 

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PandaG said:
Emotional bull dust reaction.
It would cost no more then two first rnd picks or good senior player and a first rnd pick, this years or next.
Worth every cent
If he wants in, he has a red carpet waiting for him with the number 7 Guernsey ready to go, no chance saints say no.
and we will most definitely sign more members than we lose if Ben is a saint in 2022, regardless of what we give up.
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I find the whole "we must bring Ben to StKilda " thing to be an "Emotional Bulldust reaction". How do you know what he would cost? If Brad Hill was worth close to that, they have a good argument that King is worth a lot more, then there will be contract cost.
 
Winmar2Lockett said:
Darren Parkin mentioned that there was some link of us to Florent on last week’s Unpluggered.

I rate Ollie highly… a very good player that’s a bit hidden up in Sin City.


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I wanted him at the draft but overall he's been very underwhelming. He's nearly 25 and on about 100 games and he's not really dominating. He reminds me of Billings a bit, he's a good player but not outstanding. Every now and then he has a high possession game and gets you sucked in but for what he'd cost I'd rather take it to the draft. Unless he can walk into a midfield spot and play to a more consistent standard he's stepping sideways.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
I find the whole "we must bring Ben to StKilda " thing to be an "Emotional Bulldust reaction". How do you know what he would cost? If Brad Hill was worth close to that, they have a good argument that King is worth a lot more, then there will be contract cost.
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Tim and Gary were suggesting that Collingwood and Essendon could offer him around $1 million pa. That's a crippling cost because his brother would want the same then. I hope Sharman comes on and makes him less of a need.
 
gringo2011 said:
I wanted him at the draft but overall he's been very underwhelming. He's nearly 25 and on about 100 games and he's not really dominating. He reminds me of Billings a bit, he's a good player but not outstanding. Every now and then he has a high possession game and gets you sucked in but for what he'd cost I'd rather take it to the draft. Unless he can walk into a midfield spot and play to a more consistent standard he's stepping sideways.
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I'll quibble here. He's 23 as of July.
I agree that he's been underwhelming given where i thought he'd end up, but as a billings replacement at half forward i think he brings a bit.
 
MightySaint said:
I'll quibble here. He's 23 as of July.
I agree that he's been underwhelming given where i thought he'd end up, but as a billings replacement at half forward i think he brings a bit.
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That's fair, I thought he was older. I looked him up recently and my memory isn't as good as I thought.
 
gringo2011 said:
Tim and Gary were suggesting that Collingwood and Essendon could offer him around $1 million pa. That's a crippling cost because his brother would want the same then. I hope Sharman comes on and makes him less of a need.
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King is destined for that kind of money, arguably the best prospect in the league. If you asked someone to pick who they would build their team around right now, I without a doubt reckon it’s King and Walsh.
 
Never be hasty to dimiss players, remember when Karl Amon wanted to come home and no one wanted him look at him now, if recruiters went by BF posters we would be in a worse position then finishing 10th.
 
gringo2011 said:
I wanted him at the draft but overall he's been very underwhelming. He's nearly 25 and on about 100 games and he's not really dominating. He reminds me of Billings a bit, he's a good player but not outstanding. Every now and then he has a high possession game and gets you sucked in but for what he'd cost I'd rather take it to the draft. Unless he can walk into a midfield spot and play to a more consistent standard he's stepping sideways.
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Disagree with your comments on Florent.

Agree with your comments re the draft.


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