List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

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[StCicatriz]

this is the biggest load of 'first world problems/first round draft pick problems' crap. 'He never had a chance to cement himself'.. the hell he lead their goal kicking and is their number one forward.. he's cemented, we're just watching from the sidelines with a jackhammer is all

Doesn't matter what we think.

I'd suggest upsetting Ben Kings management is not something we should be doing.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Not having a go at Lonie this time but player managers are worse than car salesmen the way the way crap pours out their mouth's


Jack Lonie (St Kilda)

“It’s a bit of a frustrating one. Over the last couple of years this has sort of happened.

“He played 11 games this year. He’s a great player and deserves another chance.






He tries hard but like a few we have , they are just not quiet at the level we need

 

[Dupree73]

Younger, faster, bigger, better kick,stronger, more aggresive and confident with ball,more brutal attack on ball and opponents.

 

[11men1cup]

I don't think we actually tweeted that?

Neither do I, is there a screenshot or actual proof? I'd love to see it to have a laugh tbh

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[StCicatriz]

I don't think we actually tweeted that?

Correct. His manager has the wording wrong.

Was something along the lines of "Ben if you ever want to come home" with some emojis chucked in.

Which pissed off GC and it appears has also pissed off his management.

We deleted the tweet.

The problem is and I suspect this is where the real frustration is coming from. We've been telling people we think we can get him.

So you've had people like Caro and Llloyd openly repeat that on TV and radio which has then extended into print and social media.

It's just stupid. It achieves nothing. It's not beating up hype or confidence in the club. It's not making it more attractive.

You're just gonna look foolish if it backfires and he either re-signs with gold coast or surprise surprise goes to another club like.... essendon.

So then in the last couple of weeks we've had Gags go on radio and try and distance himself from it stating he doesn't even think about Ben King. Which tbh is not a good sign.

You've had the essendon rumours break. A st kilda list manager pour cold water on it and now Ben King management take a swipe at us.

 

[bird_man]

Doesn't matter what we think.

I'd suggest upsetting Ben Kings management is not something we should be doing.

It was 3 years ago. We can't go back in time and change that.

I think we've handled it pretty well this year. Gallagher actually sounded pissed off when he was asked about him.

I haven't listened to the interview but I'm not sure why Ben's managers feels the need to bring it up now?

 

[StCicatriz]

It was 3 years ago. We can't go back in time and change that.

I think we've handled it pretty well this year. Gallagher actually sounded pissed off when he was asked about him.

I haven't listened to the interview but I'm not sure why Ben's managers feels the need to bring it up now?

You do know we have been telling people this year we think we can get him.

Gags sounding pissed off was only recently.

Good question. Why would Ben's Management feel the need to do that. It's not every day you see that happen.

Managers usually only do that when they're pissed off with something that's happened that adversely affects their client.

 

[Fehring]

Which would be fine if we got a bunch of other picks back that basically value it as 2 firsts. Plus, they'll be very late firsts.

There was some chatter on TR the other day about how the recruiters don't just look at round numbers but break down selections into groups within. Obviously, a pick between 6-10 is more valuable than 11-18 but they're still all first rounders.

Bing for 3 x picks between 15-18 is a steal. Get some future seconds or thirds back and it's highway robbery.

This is true, and it can even be more nuanced than that. I was in contact with someone directly involved with the Carlisle trade all those years ago. We had pick 5. We thought that there was a clear top 4 (plus academy picks), so we were happy to part with pick 5, but we would have baulked at trading pick 4 if we had that.

For the record, picks 3 and 4 in that draft were Clayton Oliver and Darcy Parish (they went 4 and 5 on draft night b/c of a bid on Callum Mills). Pick 5 (6 on the night) was Aaron Francis, followed by Ah Chee and Weiderman (with a bid on Hopper in the middle).

So, I think the Saints were spot on with that one.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

You do know we have been telling people this year we think we can get him.

Gags sounding pissed off was only recently.

Who is telling, and where is the proof?

 

[StCicatriz]

Who is telling, and where is the proof?

This has been asked before.

No one will believe a word I say.

So it's a good thing you have footage and audio of caro and Lloyd stating the club thinks they can get Ben King.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

This has been asked before.

No one will believe a word I say.

So why bring it up. Commit, or don't, the fence-sitting toe-dipping is a snooze fest.

 

[D2D3]

Well done saints.

Based on how much of an **** Tony Cochrane comes across as every time he gets on the radio with his tough guy act I have no problem with anyone disrespecting GC at any point. Bloke asks for it.

 

[StCicatriz]

So why bring it up. Commit, or don't, the fence-sitting toe-dipping is a snooze fest.

I dont need to. You literally have two other people state it on TV and radio.

You denying that ever happened?

 

[bird_man]

You do know we have been telling people this year we think we can get him.

Gags sounding pissed off was only recently.

Would love to know exactly where the talk has come from.

We've not been saying anything publicly.

Matthew Lloyd always seems very confident he's going to end up at St Kilda. Is it St Kilda telling him that or could it be that he's very close to the family and that's what he's got from them?

SOS is another very close to the family that has suggested a few times he'll end up at St Kilda.

The media love a trade story, it's a great headline, so anything they get they'll run with.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Lol Hawthorn are going full fire sale. Anyone over the age of 26 is on the table. Like I said before they have no one worth keeping

 

[Sully111]

Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

24

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

's manager acting like a douche.

Other clubs want him to play for them. How dare they.

Extend at the suns if it's a problem or stfu.

 

[StCicatriz]

Based on how much of an **** Tony Cochrane comes across as every time he gets on the radio with his tough guy act I have no problem with anyone disrespecting GC at any point. Bloke asks for it.

I don't care if we piss off GC.

I do care if we piss off Ben's management.

I do care if we come out of this looking over arrogant and foolish.

 

[StCicatriz]

Would love to know exactly where the talk has come from.

We've not been saying anything publicly.

Matthew Lloyd always seems very confident he's going to end up at St Kilda. Is it St Kilda telling him that or could it be that he's very close to the family and that's what he's got from them?

SOS is another very close to the family that has suggested a few times he'll end up at St Kilda.

The media love a trade story, it's a great headline, so anything they get they'll run with.

He didn't day he heard it from the family. He said the club thinks they can get him. Caro said the same thing.

He and Caroline couldn't have been more specific.

Why are we trying to dance around this?

 

[Jade Buddha]

Don’t want B King as we don’t have a need so this is all just fluff.

 

[Klaatu]

You do know we have been telling people this year we think we can get him.

Gags sounding pissed off was only recently.

Good question. Why would Ben's Management feel the need to do that. It's not every day you see that happen.

Managers usually only do that when they're pissed off with something that's happened that adversely affects their client.

His manager should stick to getting Ben to commit to GC as he has a 3 year contract in front of him, that might be the reason he is digging this rubbish up, if Ben was happy & committed he would sign it otherwise he's looking around & waiting to see what develops in 2022 another bad year could mean exit stage left.

The AFL has handed them so many picks they are giving them away, wouldn't look good at city hall.

 

[StCicatriz]

His manager should stick to getting Ben to commit to GC as he has a 3 year contract in front of him, that might be the reason he is digging this rubbish up, if Ben was happy & committed he would sign it otherwise he's looking around & waiting to see what develops in 2022 another bad year could mean exit stage left.

The AFL has handed them so many picks they are giving them away, wouldn't look good at city hall.

He could be going else where and doesn't like the pressure GC are now applying.

Could be a number of reasons.

Either way. His management doesn't sound very happy.

 

[joop]

Well done saints.

Jesus talk about nanny state. Should see the banter between players and teams in many overseas league. It’s hilarious.

 

[Max the great]

Just for the sake of debate, who would consider;

Splitting pick 9 into two picks in the teens.

Taking one to the draft.

Seeing if Hawthorn would bite & send us Mitchell for the other one.

Add Tom Mitchell to the midfield, feeding Steeley & co.

Still get a top 20 midfield talent plus Windy & Mitchito (fingers crossed).

Tom Mitchell now? F no!

 

[Jade Buddha]

There’s a a reason why Hawthorn are bottoming out. Their stars are fading fast.

 

[bird_man]

He didn't day he heard it from the family. He said the club things they can get him. Caro said the same thing.

Why are we trying to dance around this?

I'm not dancing around anything, just discussing the situation.

Do you have the quotes from Lloyd and Caro?