List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

what do we do?

  • trade back in with a future first and take phillipou

  • trade back in with a future second and take barnett

  • trade back in with a future second for someone else

  • only take MM and keep the other spot for PSD/rookie

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Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson (re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman (re-listed)
 
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Sanders said:
You know nothing of the F***ing sort

We just split a $20 into 2x $10 at the current rate of exchange
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Utter crap. “current rate of exchange” lol. Do you realise the 2022 and 2023 don’t have the same rate of exchange? Aren’t you one of the posters pointing out -correctly - many clubs are not rating this years draft and trading out of it? Please confirm as it will also highlight your hypocrisy here.

We have moved 23 in a weak draft to a probable 19/20 in a much stronger draft. 19 especially (as the smart money suggests) gives even greater leverage to further leverage the first pick on the second night as history has shown.

It’s really not that hard to understand this deal is a clear win for our club.
 
119others said:
Utter crap. “current rate of exchange” lol. Do you realise the 2022 and 2023 don’t have the same rate of exchange? Aren’t you one of the posters pointing out -correctly - many clubs are not rating this years draft and trading out of it? Please confirm as it will also highlight your hypocrisy here.

We have moved 23 in a weak draft to a probable 19/20 in a much stronger draft. 19 especially (as the smart money suggests) gives even greater leverage to further leverage the first pick on the second night as history has shown.

It’s really not that hard to understand this deal is a clear win for our club.
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I'd caution here...we often hear the line next years draft will be much stronger yet by the time it comes around it has lost most of its gloss. All sanders is pointing out is that right now its speculative as we know nothing for certain. Fingers crossed though it does work out well for us
 

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Crow till I die said:
I'd caution here...we often hear the line next years draft will be much stronger yet by the time it comes around it has lost most of its gloss. All sanders is pointing out is that right now its speculative as we know nothing for certain. Fingers crossed though it does work out well for us
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Seriously naive and simplistic view. There are known “super drafts” often years in advance eg 2018.

One of the 2 key decision makers “within the room” (and I have no interest in pi$$ing contests here and don’t purport to receive much inside intel) has confirmed to me the main focus has been retaining a very strong hand in 2023 as a much stronger draft.

The crows deal with Kangas is an absolute no brainer win for us. Hopefully the normal critics can even try and be balanced and acknowledge this.
 
119others said:
Seriously naive and simplistic view. There are known “super drafts” often years in advance eg 2018.

One of the 2 key decision makers “within the room” (and I have no interest in pi$$ing contests here and don’t purport to receive much inside intel) has confirmed to me the main focus has been retaining a very strong hand in 2023 as a much stronger draft.

The crows deal with Kangas is an absolute no brainer win for us. Hopefully the normal critics can even try and be balanced and acknowledge this.
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Yeh I think thats fair and you dont see port scrambling for phillipou either even before they were getting JHF which was an afterthought. The SA sure things are playing SANFL (not U18s) before getting drafted ie, Thilthorpe, Rankine, JHF etc - and luckily another MM falls in our lap for peanuts

There dont seem to be many if any from SA doing playijg SANFL in their draft year this year so they clearly dont rate this pool - rightly or wrongly
 
crow2crow said:
Yeh I think thats fair and you dont see port scrambling for phillipou either even before they were getting JHF which was an afterthought. The SA sure things are playing SANFL (not U18s) before getting drafted ie, Thilthorpe, Rankine, JHF etc - and luckily another MM falls in our lap for peanuts

There dont seem to be many if any from SA doing playijg SANFL in their draft year this year so they clearly dont rate this pool - rightly or wrongly
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Mid/Forward South's Jaiden Magor I think will be the SA draft bolter.
 
Crow till I die said:
I'd caution here...we often hear the line next years draft will be much stronger yet by the time it comes around it has lost most of its gloss. All sanders is pointing out is that right now its speculative as we know nothing for certain. Fingers crossed though it does work out well for us
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If you took the view that it was all speculative and crystal balling the future you'd never trade a future draft pick.

Clubs actually put a fair bit of work into what's available, who they have coming out of contract, and what currency they'll have. It's an inexact science but it's far from guesswork.
 
tinman said:
If you took the view that it was all speculative and crystal balling the future you'd never trade a future draft pick.

Clubs actually put a fair bit of work into what's available, who they have coming out of contract, and what currency they'll have. It's an inexact science but it's far from guesswork.
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Some clubs employ one recruiter to look solely at bottom age pool all year and that person only reports on bottom age players

No eyes on current draft age kids at all

So while it’s not perfect science clubs have a fair idea re talent pool in advance

Do agree ‘the next years pool has more talent ‘ comments do get over played at times …. All drafts produce good players and failures
 
Anyone have access to upcoming free agent lists for 2023? Any serious SA players coming out of contract?


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Tex Milera said:
Anyone have access to upcoming free agent lists for 2023? Any serious SA players coming out of contract?


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AFL Out of Contract Players in 2023

List of AFL players coming out of contract at the end of 2023.
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Redman is the only SA player that sticks out, we could do with some dash off HB. There's also Harry Himmelberg (not SA), but he's not really a pure KPD which we lack depth in (Cox isn't OOC until 2024 and Freo will want a lot for him). Sadly, there's no big-bodied mids that would be worth going after.
 

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Jeffcrowe said:
Some clubs employ one recruiter to look solely at bottom age pool all year and that person only reports on bottom age players

No eyes on current draft age kids at all

So while it’s not perfect science clubs have a fair idea re talent pool in advance

Do agree ‘the next years pool has more talent ‘ comments do get over played at times …. All drafts produce good players and failures
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I thought our reason for favouring next seasons draft is more exposure of the good players to playing on each other, a longer window of data for our recruitment team, less uncertainty etc etc. Less so that next years draft is better than this years (though I think there is a little of that).
 
dplggr47 said:
I think those spots are for rookie upgrades - Butts and Murray
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And who rplaces them on the rookie list
We are allowed 44 on our List. we currently have 41. 42 with MM. that leaves 2 open spots.
38 main, 4 rookies and 2 Cat B rookies.
last year we started with 36 on the main, 6 rookies and 2 cat B rookies,
 
Carmo said:
I thought our reason for favouring next seasons draft is more exposure of the good players to playing on each other, a longer window of data for our recruitment team, less uncertainty etc etc. Less so that next years draft is better than this years (though I think there is a little of that).
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Prob a combo of factors including more of our guys are coming off contract
 
ad victoriam said:
And who rplaces them on the rookie list
We are allowed 44 on our List. we currently have 41. 42 with MM. that leaves 2 open spots.
38 main, 4 rookies and 2 Cat B rookies.
last year we started with 36 on the main, 6 rookies and 2 cat B rookies,
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Suspect we rerookie Turner in front of Poulter and go for new blood with the other pick. Hopefully Verrall as our first rookie pick


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Jeffcrowe said:
Some clubs employ one recruiter to look solely at bottom age pool all year and that person only reports on bottom age players

No eyes on current draft age kids at all

So while it’s not perfect science clubs have a fair idea re talent pool in advance

Do agree ‘the next years pool has more talent ‘ comments do get over played at times …. All drafts produce good players and failures
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AFL needs to mature further when it comes to player movement.

I would like to see the trading of future picks for the next two years, not just one. And a mid-year trade where players and draft picks can be exchanged.
 
Thetrader15 said:
And players being traded without consent - if we are going to be more mature about it.
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It would simply add some significance to the signing of a long-term Contract .....currently, once players like Grundy get their Contract, what is the stimulus to continue working hard, to improve ....the money is guaranteed

This being traded without consent, would ensure players continue to earn their long Contracts, for fear of ending up at GC or WCE
 
PHANTOM DRAFT: EARLY LOOK AT HOW FIRST 25 PICKS COULD FALL
Chris Cavanagh
THE AFL national draft is five weeks away and clubs are beginning to get their draft boards in order and zero in on their targets.

Here’s an early look at how the first 25 picks will fall in our October Phantom Draft – including all the latest mail.

1. GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY

Aaron Cadman

194cm Forward, VIC

It’s no surprise who the Giants are aiming at after trading up the order to secure the No.1 pick in this draft. Most clubs don’t have Cadman in the top-five on their draft boards, but he is the best key forward in this year’s draft pool and that is precisely what Greater Western Sydney needs. Unlike some other top Victorian prospects, the Darley local has also expressed genuine excitement about moving interstate.

2. BRISBANE (MATCH NORTH BID)

Will Ashcroft

183cm Midfielder, VIC

While Cadman might go at No.1 on draft night, you’d struggle to find a club that does not have Ashcroft pegged as the No.1 talent in this year’s pool. The prolific ball-winning onballer, who is the son of three-time Lions premiership player Marcus, has not put a foot wrong this year and has won a swag of awards in the process.

3. NORTH MELBOURNE

George Wardlaw

182cm Midfielder, VIC

Had he not had a season ruined by injury, Wardlaw might have been lauded more. A hard-at-it onballer, he models his game on Melbourne’s Clayton Oliver. He played just three NAB League games for Oakleigh Chargers due to hamstring injuries, a concussion and a bout of Covid-19.

4. NORTH MELBOURNE

Harry Sheezel

183cm Forward, VIC

Opposition clubs believe the Kangaroos are “a lock” to take Wardlaw followed by Sheezel, despite North flagging that it is still open to trading its second pick. Wardlaw’s good mate from the Oakleigh Chargers – Elijah Tsatas – is available to the Kangaroos here but is another midfielder whereas Sheezel is a forward with the most X-Factor of any player.

5. ESSENDON

Elijah Tsatas

188cm Midfielder, VIC

The Bombers are tossing up a few options at their first pick, but Tsatas looks the early favourite. The Oakleigh Chargers product is an obvious choice as a local who will provide Essendon with some muchneeded power, speed and size through the midfield.

6. GOLD COAST

Reuben Ginbey

189cm Mid/Defender, WA

As long as the Bombers don’t strike first, the Suns look set to snap up Ginbey with their first pick. The West Australian is the preferred option for West Coast with its top-10 selection but he is unlikely to get there. A big-bodied mid, Ginbey also has a second string to his bow with his ability to play across half-back. He was WA’s MVP in the national champs, capping a season that has seen his star rise significantly.

7. HAWTHORN

Bailey Humphrey

184cm Mid/Forward, VIC

A late-season bolter, Humphrey missed a chunk of the season with a knee injury but finished the NAB League season in a blaze of glory and had some good moments in Vic Country’s final match. With the departures of Tom Mitchell and Jaeger O’Meara during the trade period, the Hawks need to add some midfielders and Humphrey fits the bill there as well as being able to push forward and have an impact. He interviewed well with clubs at the draft combine, coming across as a good down-to-earth Gippsland boy.

8. GEELONG

Jhye Clark

180cm Midfielder, VIC

If no one makes a surprise play earlier, the Cats look a certainty to snap up Clark with their first pick. A Geelong local who captained the Falcons in the NAB League this year, Clark has drawn comparisons to recently retired Cats great Joel Selwood with the way he goes about it. He’s a brave and incredibly tough onballer who is developing into a stellar leader. Clark trained with Geelong in pre-season before going on to win Vic Country’s MVP award at the national championships.

9. WEST COAST

Jedd Busslinger

196cm Defender, WA

The Eagles are expected to target homegrown talent with their first two picks and with Ginbey expected to be off the table, Busslinger is the early favourite here. The East Perth product looks the best tall defender this year. He reads the play well, backs himself in the air and is a good kick.

10. ST KILDA

Cam Mackenzie

187cm Midfielder, VIC

The Saints need a few different types of players across the field. Busslinger and key forward Matthew Jefferson have been raised as possible options at this pick, but Mackenzie looks the obvious choice. A St Kilda Next Generation Academy member, the Sandringham Dragons midfielder has worked closely with Nick Dal Santo and said he would “be happy to stay at the Saints” after training with the club this year. He won a NAB League premiership with the Dragons this year and another in school football at Brighton Grammar.

11. CARLTON

Oliver Hollands

183cm Midfield, VIC

The Blues are believed to be zeroing in on Hollands with their first draft pick, given they are keen to bolster their stocks of strong-running midfielders. The boy from Wodonga is the brother of Gold Coast’s Elijah Hollands and finished equal-first in the 2km time trial at the draft combine this month. Hollands has spent a lot of time on a wing this year, where he has found plenty of the ball and makes good decisions. Fittingly, Hollands is a Carlton supporter whose great-grandfather Martin Cross played 36 VFL games for the Blues in the 1960s.

12. WESTERN BULLDOGS

Mattaes Phillipou

190cm Fwd/Midfielder, SA

A lot of clubs have Phillipou ranked 10 to 15 on their draft boards, but some consider him to be top-five and say he would be “a steal” if he makes it to pick 12. Born December 27, the Woodville-West Torrens product is likely to be the youngest player drafted and possesses speed, aerial abilities and a good kick. There is also some romance about a potential move to the Dogs. His dad, Sam, played three games for the club.

13. WEST COAST

Ed Allan

194cm Midfielder, WA

The Eagles are believed to be looking very closely at Allan, given he has also attracted interest from Melbourne, which has the next selection. Allan has good size and speed and is a strong runner who was the quickest player over 20m at the combine. The son of former Hawthorn and Fremantle star Ben, he has emerged as a draft bolter in the second half of the season, despite playing limited football this year as a result of a stress fracture in his back. Fellow West Ausatralian product Elijah Hewett is more of a genuine midfielder than Allan but is expected to slide a little further down the order.

14. MELBOURNE

Matthew Jefferson

195cm Forward, VIC

The second-best key forward in the draft behind Cadman, Jefferson is firmly in the sights of the Demons if he is still available. Key forwards are the weak spot in Melbourne’s list. Jefferson’s marking ability is his weapon and he has improved his goal kicking this year. Likened to Essendon’s Harrison Jones, he booted seven goals from eight kicks against WA.

15. SYDNEY

Lachlan Cowan

188cm Defender, TAS

The Swans would be all over Phillipou if he fell as low as pick 15. But with that scenario highly unlikely, Sydney is turning its focus to Cowan who is a speedy, line-breaking defender with a penetrating right boot. The Tasmanian has a host of admirers in the 15 to 25 range, with Collingwood also interested.

16. GWS GIANTS

Lewis Hayes

197cm Defender, VIC

Rival clubs aren’t entirely sure what the Giants are going to do with their three other top-25 picks. But Hayes makes some sense to lend support to Sam Taylor down back. The brother of Port Adelaide ruckman Sam, Hayes is more of a third-tall type defender who reads the play well, is a strong interceptor and likes to run, and he is still growing. His brother stands 205cm tall.

17. BRISBANE (MATCH BID FROM COLLINGWOOD)

Jaspa Fletcher

184cm Midfielder, QLD

Another Brisbane father-son prospect, Fletcher is a first-round talent. The Lions don’t have the draft points to match first-round bids on Ashcroft and Fletcher just yet, but will either find them or go into a points deficit. Fletcher is the son of Adrian, who played 231 games for four clubs including the Brisbane Bears and Lions. More athletically gifted than his dad, he has real class and makes good decisions.

18. COLLINGWOOD

Henry Hustwaite

194cm Midfielder, VIC

No one is saying that Hustwaite will be the next Scott Pendlebury, but he has some similar traits. He is not overly quick but has classy hands to release teammates from stoppages. Collingwood is right across him, especially given his older brother Campbell is a co-captain of the Magpies’ VFL team. Hailing from Dandenong, Hustwaite has also spent some time across half-back.

19. SYDNEY

Olli Hotton

181cm Forward, VIC

The Swans are understood to be fans of Hotton. While some recruiters have said he still has a bit of work to do, he is a good character and finished sixth in the 20m sprint at the combine as well as equal-fourth in the vertical jump. The high half-forward role was new to Hotton this year but one he excelled in for Vic Metro. He logged 24 disposals and kicked three goals against South Australia.

20. GWS GIANTS

Charlie Clarke

182cm Forward, VIC

The Giants are expected to snap up Clarke with one of picks 20 and 21. The forward shot to prominence when he kicked seven goals for Sandringham Dragons in the NAB League in round 4.

AND THE NEXT FIVE

21. GWS GIANTS

Coby Burgiel

183cm Utility, VIC

Darcy Jones

175cm Mid/Forward, WA

23. WESTERN BULLDOGS

Brayden George

185cm Forward, VIC

24. ESSENDON

Josh Weddle

191cm Defender, VIC

25. NORTH MELBOURNE

Max Gruzewski

192cm Def/Forward, VIC

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