List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Peter Doherty]

Anyone know how many picks GWS are expected to use on draft night?

Pick 31 is interesting to me.

 

[Crow till I die]

Just a pause to celebrate the wonderful page number

 

[Mostyn]

Or we don't upgrade Strachan, he goes off the rookie list and we draft Verrall or another developing ruck.

I don't think we have the capspace to cut another player we've already contracted for next year, and I don't think we'd do it just for a longshot ruck prospect.

Strachan would be the best local league mature aged ruck - we would have traded him if we were off him.

 

[Mostyn]

two unknown picks
we can all crystal ball they are good picks but that devalues them

tactically this has been done to stop an early bid by gws at 16 is what I have heard. could be bs I don't know.

Of course that's bullshit.

 

[Mostyn]

You know nothing of the F***ing sort

We just split a $20 into 2x $10 at the current rate of exchange

No we didn't.

North is one of the very few clubs that wanted more picks this year, for reasons that are obvious.

If we put 23 or NM F1 on the table to the entire league, we would get better offers for the NM pick because there's more demand to leave this draft that there is to stay in it.

 

[Mostyn]

Why are we re drafting Turner in the rookie draft? We don't need him? He's a good SANFL player but that's it. Another wasted list spot.

He actually looked excellent late in the year - but I think with Crouch staying we'll look to do something different with our last two list spots.

 

[Mostyn]

Essendon F/S Davey junior will likely get bid on well before our pick as well.

True, but his math doesn't work.

There will still be Brisbane picks before ours that are used to match the FS bids - our picks may even slightly come up in the draft.

 

[Mostyn]

AFL needs to mature further when it comes to player movement.

I would like to see the trading of future picks for the next two years, not just one. And a mid-year trade where players and draft picks can be exchanged.

I agree.

I actually think there needs to be a line above which more movement kicks in.

For example, at $450k:

• Your salary becomes public
• You can be traded during your contract
• You have different FA rights

(Regarding the salary thing, I've worked for non profits and mamber based organisations where senior staff had their salaries makde public in annual reports. I think it's reasonable to expect that at a certain level).

 

[Bearded Clam]

AFL needs to mature further when it comes to player movement.

I would like to see the trading of future picks for the next two years, not just one. And a mid-year trade where players and draft picks can be exchanged.

Id rather no picks.. no drafts… none of this manufactured nonsense thats all engineered for the AFL and their flog journo’s to spin a whole heap of nonsense and generate clicks.

Rather they go the NRL route.. have a salary cap and players can play for whoever they want as long as the club can get them in their cap..

Players can move at anytime up until say about round 8..

 

[crow2crow]

Id rather no picks.. no drafts… none of this manufactured nonsense thats all engineered for the AFL and their flog journo’s to spin a whole heap of nonsense and generate clicks.

Rather they go the NRL route.. have a salary cap and players can play for whoever they want as long as the club can get them in their cap..

Players can move at anytime up until say about round 8..

why not what you said but only change between seasons?

 

[Thetrader15]

I don't think we have the capspace to cut another player we've already contracted for next year, and I don't think we'd do it just for a longshot ruck prospect.

Strachan would be the best local league mature aged ruck - we would have traded him if we were off him.

I don't think you can trade rookies.
Cap space isn't a problem for us surely?
He's mature, but not a long term replacement for ROB since he's the same age

 

[Sanders]

No we didn't.

North is one of the very few clubs that wanted more picks this year, for reasons that are obvious.

If we put 23 or NM F1 on the table to the entire league, we would get better offers for the NM pick because there's more demand to leave this draft that there is to stay in it.

Why would you believe we instantly increased the worth of picks by just by doing a swap?

Did we forge North’s signatures on documents to create such magical added value

 

[crow2crow]

I don't think we have the capspace to cut another player we've already contracted for next year, and I don't think we'd do it just for a longshot ruck prospect.

Strachan would be the best local league mature aged ruck - we would have traded him if we were off him.

Yes we do their salary is their salary eg mcpherson is the obvious one. even a backended mcpherson cant be much...

youre only adding the min chips of the draftee if we are talking about payong out one year. we cant be that close to the wire

 

[BRL121]

We’re looking good for taking a player we have shown zero interest in?

What does bad look like?

No. He said that Poulter was looking good: I think he meant the mullet.

 

[beagle2]

Yes we do their salary is their salary eg mcpherson is the obvious one. even a backended mcpherson cant be much...

youre only adding the min chips of the draftee if we are talking about payong out one year. we cant be that close to the wire

Rubbish

 

[LoBu]

Interesting that Elijah Hewett has slid out of the top 25, was highly touted at the beginning of the season.

 

[Mutineer]

Interesting that Elijah Hewett has slid out of the top 25, was highly touted at the beginning of the season.

Won't on draft night.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Won't on draft night.

I reckon he’s a potential slider

But still think he gets picked up in early 20s

 

[crows dude]

I don't think you can trade rookies.
Cap space isn't a problem for us surely?
He's mature, but not a long term replacement for ROB since he's the same age

Essendon trades us Jenkins when he was a rookie.

 

[rabidcrow]

Essendon trades us Jenkins when he was a rookie.

You can trade Rookies but the team trading in has to put them on the main list - you can’t trade a rookie in and keep them as a rookie


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[WaynesWorld19]

Interesting that Elijah Hewett has slid out of the top 25, was highly touted at the beginning of the season.

That has to be an oversight ......IMO still a top 15 player

 

[119others]

He actually looked excellent late in the year - but I think with Crouch staying we'll look to do something different with our last two list spots.

Not sure why we don’t move Crouch or Seed to Rookie list - and hope like hell Crouch gets picked up. I agree Turner showed enough for another year on our rookie list.

One point that I am confused by Vaders (normally excellent detailed analysis of the relevant rules) is the following. Let’s assume Crouch is on 350k / year (would be pretty close I reckon). Now if we move him to the Rookie list (and he stays with our club) we still have to pay him the 350k but IF another club picks him up in the transition (if this is possible) surely the acquiring club needs to pick up his contracted salary. i believe Vader was saying Crows are responsible for picking up the salary differential between acquiring club and current contract. If that’s the case, why wouldn’t another club pick up Crouch on absolute minimum chips (whatever that is - say 100k), meaning the Crows are forced to pay the other 250k.

Assuming this is Vaders interpretation it doesn’t make rational commercial sense to me..

 

[Danger_zone]

Let's all take a moment to appreciate pg 119.

 

[50BC]

Not sure why we don’t move Crouch or Seed to Rookie list - and hope like hell Crouch gets picked up. I agree Turner showed enough for another year on our rookie list.

One point that I am confused by Vaders (normally excellent detailed analysis of the relevant rules) is the following. Let’s assume Crouch is on 350k / year (would be pretty close I reckon). Now if we move him to the Rookie list (and he stays with our club) we still have to pay him the 350k but IF another club picks him up in the transition (if this is possible) surely the acquiring club needs to pick up his contracted salary. i believe Vader was saying Crows are responsible for picking up the salary differential between acquiring club and current contract. If that’s the case, why wouldn’t another club pick up Crouch on absolute minimum chips (whatever that is - say 100k), meaning the Crows are forced to pay the other 250k.

Assuming this is Vaders interpretation it doesn’t make rational commercial sense to me..

Players in that circumstance can nominate a minimum salary when nominating for a draft. If the player nominates his current contract then there is no problem, but if he doesn't and a club signs him up on standard minimum, the original club would be required to pay out the remainder.

 

[119others]

Why would you believe we instantly increased the worth of picks by just by doing a swap?

Did we forge North’s signatures on documents to create such magical added value

Firstly, you are very good at hiding from answering self-incriminating questions

Are you saying pick swaps can’t favour one team? This is getting better all the time haha

Gold Coast explain baffling pick swap with Geelong​

The Suns gave up a future first-round pick (11) to only receive pick No.27 in Thursday night's draft in return.