List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[relapse]

Heard where?

I don't watch too much of the Under 18s so I haven't seen anything personally, but someone I work with watches a fair bit of Under 18s and has mentioned to me that he doesn't have an elite leg.

I've also found it mentioned here as well

AFL Draft 2022: Top 30 Power Rankings

A powerful midfielder who loves the contest then goes forward and hits the scoreboard, Phillipou is one of the big risers in 2022. He uses his height to advantage with aerial exploits and doubles up at ground level as a contested beast. The South Australian isn’t prolific on the outside and isn’t the most reliable ball user in the draft by foot, but there’s best-in-class upside about what he can be at the next level.

Ultimately what the Crows need is a mid who has a genuine hurt factor to the opposition. I see people mentioning him in the same sentence as Bont, is this legit or is just overhype like when people were trying to compare Lukosious to Nick Riewoldt?

 

[LoBu]

Nicks doesn’t draft the players, Hamish does and he’s still there.

Nicks doesn’t draft the players, Hamish does and he’s still there.

Look you are 100% correct that we missed crucial picks and that it's the same recruitment team now.

I don't mean to argue with you for the sake of it, I just believe that Pyke had a lot to do with those recruits you named, that he was trying to 'finish' a team with Gulluci, McHenry and Jones (and was desperate for pace having been flogged in '17 by the mosquito fleet).

The change in strategy from Nicks onwards has seen the same recruitment team do much better.

Compare Poholke vs Soligo, similar pick, worlds' apart. Perhaps Taylor will be the better comparison, so a wait and see - both have dominated SANFL but vastly different players.

I just think Pyke should shoulder the responsibility a lot more than he apparently does.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Gees Phillipou's highlights in that game on that youtube vid look damn good. Ill forgive some of his kicking on a sh**ty wet day down Geelong.

Looks exactly the size of player we need.... Big body, Footy IQ, enough pace for a mid and a contest brute.

 

[George Kramer]

Look you are 100% correct that we missed crucial picks and that it's the same recruitment team now.

I don't mean to argue with you for the sake of it, I just believe that Pyke had a lot to do with those recruits you named, that he was trying to 'finish' a team with Gulluci, McHenry and Jones (and was desperate for pace having been flogged in '17 by the mosquito fleet).

The change in strategy from Nicks onwards has seen the same recruitment team do much better.

Compare Poholke vs Soligo, similar pick, worlds' apart. Perhaps Taylor will be the better comparison, so a wait and see - both have dominated SANFL but vastly different players.

I just think Pyke should shoulder the responsibility a lot more than he apparently does.

I think you are being generous to Hamish there. We've continued to draft small players, it just seems we have drafted some better ones. Hamish has also had better picks under Nicks to account for TT and Rachelle. Mind you he did blow one on McAsey.

 

[LoBu]

I think you are being generous to Hamish there. We've continued to draft small players, it just seems we have drafted some better ones. Hamish has also had better picks under Nicks to account for TT and Rachelle. Mind you he did blow one on McAsey.

Yep, but with Nicks only in the job 1 month I don't think we can fairly put McAsey on him. That is debatable I understand, that just my opinion.

Small players yes, but to be fair the tall players just weren't there. Callaghan was gone last year, we didn't really have options for talls any other year.

We did pick up Cook (late late first round), and Nankervis (project player), we recruited Hately, and drafted and delisted Ronin (ROC). So we have been actively looking across a range of picks (first round, late rounds, PSD, etc).

Don't forget we had Dangerfield until 2017. We also recruited CEY - but not a player of note.

The reality is that small players (180-185) are the bread and butter of any midfield. Look at Sydney - no talls (any more) of note. Brisbane not much either (Berry).

Over the years, perhaps Berry is the only player we have missed, and we had Dangerfield leave only a month or 2 before he was drafted - we all know what happened that draft (going for speed).

Have we actually missed a tall other than J Berry?

 

[Crows I Am]

That was Bickley on 5AA.

One thing he didn't touch on is that those guys were pretty much all playing in the AFL side from day dot. None of this leaving them in the two's for three years until they are ready mentality that we've traditionally embraced.

I think we are slowly turning the corner in this regard, we have given plenty of games to some of our newer kids in the last 2 seasons. Thilthorpe, Rachelle, Soligo, Cook, Parnell, Berry, Schoenberg have all played a fair amount of football in their first or 2nd year in the system. Obviously some could have been given more game time and there are still some we need to get into the side to have a look at them - Newchurch, Taylor, Pedlar and Worell probably the main ones I would like to see.

 

[George Kramer]

Yep, but with Nicks only in the job 1 month I don't think we can fairly put McAsey on him. That is debatable I understand, that just my opinion.

Small players yes, but to be fair the tall players just weren't there. Callaghan was gone last year, we didn't really have options for talls any other year.

We did pick up Cook (late late first round), and Nankervis (project player), we recruited Hately, and drafted and delisted Ronin (ROC). So we have been actively looking across a range of picks (first round, late rounds, PSD, etc).

Don't forget we had Dangerfield until 2017. We also recruited CEY - but not a player of note.

The reality is that small players (180-185) are the bread and butter of any midfield. Look at Sydney - no talls (any more) of note. Brisbane not much either (Berry).

Over the years, perhaps Berry is the only player we have missed, and we had Dangerfield leave only a month or 2 before he was drafted - we all know what happened that draft (going for speed).

Have we actually missed a tall other than J Berry?

I’m not putting McAsey on Nicks, I’m putting McAsey on Hamish. As I have for the misses and he gets credit for the good ones, that’s his job. It’s not Nicks job to draft players so I don’t know why you are crediting any picks to him.

 

[LoBu]

I heard one of the radio stations the other day discussing Melbourne's rebuild, and how their premierships side was put together.

Their premiership team started forming back in the 2013 draft and then each year they continued to add to it each year.
2013 - Christian Salem, Harmes, Hunt (Emerg)
2014 - Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen
2015 - Oliver
2016 - No premiership players drafted
2017 - Spargo, Fritsch, Petty
2018 - Sparrow, Jordon (Emerg)
2019 - Jackson, Pickett, Rivers
2020 - Bowey

Then they traded in Melksham, Hibberd, Lever, May, Langdon and Brown over this same period.

So over a 7 year period, they drafted or traded in 19 of their 22 players in their premiership side. The only 2 players that came in to the club outside of this period were Gawn and Viney. And every year they nailed the draft, except for 2016. They didn't miss with their first selection in any of those seasons, and they constantly added quality players through the trade period.

To build a side capable of winning the flag, you can't have too many misses in the draft, especially with your early picks. The fact that we have had plenty of misses over the last few years, just means we keep delaying the goal of putting together a team capable of challenging for a flag.

Looking back at our draft history over the last 5 years, it wasn't really until 3 years ago where we started to add some players who could potentially be part of that side, 2019 wasn't too bad with Schoenberg, Gollant and Keays all possibilities. 2020 we brought in Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Cook and Berry and then 2021 we brought in Rachelle, Soligo, Taylor, Nankervis and Parnell. So 2019 draft is probably the point at where our premiership team is starting to be formed, if we manage to bring in quality players every year through the draft and via trading, we should be looking like we can challenge by about 2026.

Melbourne missed a couple, don't forget
pick 2 Hogan
Pick 4 Toumpas
Pick 9 Weideman

Same as Brisbane
pick 8 Mayes
pick 7 Aish
Pick 1 Schache

The equivalent of
Pick 15 Gallucci
Pick 9 Jones
Pick 16 McHenry
pick 6 McAsey

I agree with the timing though, should be 2026 when we get a shot at the GF, which is not that far away.

Melbourne was in the Prelim final 6 years after drafting Hogan, Toumpas and Viney.

So we should be six years after 2018 or 2019.

 

[Thetrader15]

I think we are slowly turning the corner in this regard, we have given plenty of games to some of our newer kids in the last 2 seasons. Thilthorpe, Rachelle, Soligo, Cook, Parnell, Berry, Schoenberg have all played a fair amount of football in their first or 2nd year in the system. Obviously some could have been given more game time and there are still some we need to get into the side to have a look at them - Newchurch, Taylor, Pedlar and Worell probably the main ones I would like to see.

Agree, and we have seen more established players dropped too.

Crouch, Brown, Milera, McAdam, Himmelberg and Murphy for example.

 

[LoBu]

I’m not putting McAsey on Nicks, I’m putting McAsey on Hamish. As I have for the misses and he gets credit for the good ones, that’s his job. It’s not Nicks job to draft players so I don’t know why you are crediting any picks to him.

It's his strategy and he is on the committee. I don't believe the separation between recruiters and coach. It's ridiculous to have them separate. It's not Kevin Costner.

Edit: If I'm wrong, I'll cop that, but for now I just don't believe it. Also heard Rahilly yesterday saying he loves the draft, will be looking closely.

 

[GreyCrow]

I don't watch too much of the Under 18s so I haven't seen anything personally, but someone I work with watches a fair bit of Under 18s and has mentioned to me that he doesn't have an elite leg.

I've also found it mentioned here as well

AFL Draft 2022: Top 30 Power Rankings

A powerful midfielder who loves the contest then goes forward and hits the scoreboard, Phillipou is one of the big risers in 2022. He uses his height to advantage with aerial exploits and doubles up at ground level as a contested beast. The South Australian isn’t prolific on the outside and isn’t the most reliable ball user in the draft by foot, but there’s best-in-class upside about what he can be at the next level.

Ultimately what the Crows need is a mid who has a genuine hurt factor to the opposition. I see people mentioning him in the same sentence as Bont, is this legit or is just overhype like when people were trying to compare Lukosious to Nick Riewoldt?

Funny thing is if anybody watched that 1st quarter highlight they would have seen some good kicks and some bad ones

He either felt a twinge or he tried to be too clever but it looked like he chipped rather than kick at times

Some other footage I have seen he has a solid kick - so not sure what happened

 

[GreyCrow]

This is not a hit piece but a long term ie 3 months study of how all these ''experts'' will coalesce into having the same names in the same spots as time goes on

 

[PMBangers]

This is not a hit piece but a long term ie 3 months study of how all these ''experts'' will coalesce into having the same names in the same spots as time goes on

oh =(

 

[GreyCrow]

oh =(

You arent listed?

 

[PMBangers]

You arent listed?

That is the source of my disappointment, at least I'm not excluded for Knightmare here

 

[Mutineer]

Ultimately what the Crows need is a mid who has a genuine hurt factor to the opposition. I see people mentioning him in the same sentence as Bont, is this legit or is just overhype like when people were trying to compare Lukosious to Nick Riewoldt?

Went at 86% DE in his 2 SANFL Reserves games recently so handled the upgrade to the higher level well and looks to be a genuine 2 sided player.

Bar for the back injury late in the 1st quarter against VM he was heading for B.O.G. honours along with Will Ashcroft.

Personally I think he's earned much of the hype on performance not the similarities to Bontompelli.

His rise up the ratings are also very Bontompelli like in his draft year.

 

[eDPS]

oh =(

Sucked in

 

[budget]

I heard one of the radio stations the other day discussing Melbourne's rebuild, and how their premierships side was put together.

Their premiership team started forming back in the 2013 draft and then each year they continued to add to it each year.
2013 - Christian Salem, Harmes, Hunt (Emerg)
2014 - Petracca, Brayshaw, Neal-Bullen
2015 - Oliver
2016 - No premiership players drafted
2017 - Spargo, Fritsch, Petty
2018 - Sparrow, Jordon (Emerg)
2019 - Jackson, Pickett, Rivers
2020 - Bowey

Then they traded in Melksham, Hibberd, Lever, May, Langdon and Brown over this same period.

So over a 7 year period, they drafted or traded in 19 of their 22 players in their premiership side. The only 2 players that came in to the club outside of this period were Gawn and Viney. And every year they nailed the draft, except for 2016. They didn't miss with their first selection in any of those seasons, and they constantly added quality players through the trade period.

To build a side capable of winning the flag, you can't have too many misses in the draft, especially with your early picks. The fact that we have had plenty of misses over the last few years, just means we keep delaying the goal of putting together a team capable of challenging for a flag.

Looking back at our draft history over the last 5 years, it wasn't really until 3 years ago where we started to add some players who could potentially be part of that side, 2019 wasn't too bad with Schoenberg, Gollant and Keays all possibilities. 2020 we brought in Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Cook and Berry and then 2021 we brought in Rachelle, Soligo, Taylor, Nankervis and Parnell. So 2019 draft is probably the point at where our premiership team is starting to be formed, if we manage to bring in quality players every year through the draft and via trading, we should be looking like we can challenge by about 2026.

you seem to forget the most important part of their rebuild is their impressive tanking, very impressive bit of cheating and then to take it to another level we hired Dean Biley and we got penalised, so that's how you do it!

 

[Mutineer]

I reckon he has one of the highest ceilings in the draft

So do I.

I'd settle for:

1st pick - Mattaes Phillipou WWT/SA - 192cm 83kg goalkicking midfielder/forward with decent foot skills, great hands in tight, vice like hands overhead, footy smarts and a turn of pace.







2nd pick - Charlie Clarke Sandringham Dragons/VM - 182cm 75kg high impact goalkicking small forward/midfielder with great acceleration and speed, top end pressure, strong tackler capable of midfield minutes.



Pick 3 - Max Michalanney Norwood/SA - 3rd Tall intercepting defender with good hands overhead, good agility, good foot skills, plenty of upside to come physically.

 

[Mutineer]

Funny thing is if anybody watched that 1st quarter highlight they would have seen some good kicks and some bad ones

He either felt a twinge or he tried to be too clever but it looked like he chipped rather than kick at times

Some other footage I have seen he has a solid kick - so not sure what happened

It pissed down with rain prior to and during the 1st quarter in that game, the weather was absolutely putrid until it cleared up somewhat after the 1st quarter but still rained off and on after that.

Anyone that wants to watch the replay...

Here : 2022 NAB AFL National Championships - U18

 

[Dangerousfield]

Yep, but with Nicks only in the job 1 month I don't think we can fairly put McAsey on him. That is debatable I understand, that just my opinion.

Small players yes, but to be fair the tall players just weren't there. Callaghan was gone last year, we didn't really have options for talls any other year.

We did pick up Cook (late late first round), and Nankervis (project player), we recruited Hately, and drafted and delisted Ronin (ROC). So we have been actively looking across a range of picks (first round, late rounds, PSD, etc).

Don't forget we had Dangerfield until 2017. We also recruited CEY - but not a player of note.

The reality is that small players (180-185) are the bread and butter of any midfield. Look at Sydney - no talls (any more) of note. Brisbane not much either (Berry).

Over the years, perhaps Berry is the only player we have missed, and we had Dangerfield leave only a month or 2 before he was drafted - we all know what happened that draft (going for speed).

Have we actually missed a tall other than J Berry?

Not quite correct. We had Dangerfield until 2015. He was B&F at Geelong 2016. We used the pick we got from Geelong on Milera

 

[Dangerousfield]

So do I.

I'd settle for:

1st pick - Mattaes Phillipou WWT/SA - 192cm 83kg goalkicking midfielder/forward with decent foot skills, great hands in tight, vice like hands overhead, footy smarts and a turn of pace.

2nd pick - Charlie Clarke Sandringham Dragons/VM - 182cm 75kg high impact goalkicking small forward/midfielder with great acceleration and speed, top end pressure, strong tackler capable of midfield minutes.

Pick 3 - Max Michalanney Norwood/SA - 3rd Tall intercepting defender with good hands overhead, good agility, good foot skills, plenty of upside to come physically.

This is the same Clarke rated 4, 5, 7 by those sample ratings lists? How do you propose we can get Clarke with pick 22/23?

 

[Mutineer]

This is the same Clarke rated 4, 5, 7 by those sample ratings lists? How do you propose we can get Clarke with pick 22/23?

Try Jhye Clark

 

[Bob Neil]

I love the look of Elijah Hewett, but I imagine that West Coast will be all over him with Pick 2

The only concern with Pillipou from what I have heard is that his disposal by foot isn't apparently great.

Personally I think we need a pacey midfielder with an elite leg who can hurt sides on the outside, rather than another inside mid who's a contested ball specialist.

After having watched that two minute clip I’d have my doubts on his disposal. Not only were there quite a few errors in there (even the best kicks can make mistakes) but I reckon the technique looked a bit dodgy.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Phillipou's highlights against Vic Metro. Looks like he had a blinder of a 1st quarter

Yeah, not for us. I saw him collect the ball from a contest, whilst under pressure he looked down field and kicked it to a contest that gave the sa forward a chance to compete. That’s a hard no for AFC. blind bombs only thanks.