List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Mutineer]

Did I hear right that he was about to say Scully was the best of the west Adelaide talls but half way thru started choking on a fly ??!!

He did but he he was talking well into the future I took it..

 

[skittlebrew]

If you try yourself you can get a few more. Admit we're in a bit of a lull now, but I think that was a bit of bad selection for 2-3 years there 2-4 years ago and now with the team being so young, it'll take longer for them to shine than going in to a in contention team.

Taylor hasn't even played a game in the first yet so can hardly be included. Sog, I don't want us to get too ahead of ourselves, but sure I will pay that.

I think there was certainly enough evidence in the past to say we're good at picking late/rookie picks. Been too much of a drought since imo.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Brenton Phillips on the SA lads drafted good wraps on Max and Billy. Biggest wraps on Kyle Marshall

Interesting comments on Keeler..

INTERVIEW: Brenton Phillips - 30 November 2022 - The FIVEAA Sports Show

omny.fm

Could you elaborate on the Keeler comments? Don't have time to listen right now, more of the same kind of concerns or something different?

 

[Mutineer]

Could you elaborate on the Keeler comments? Don't have time to listen right now, more of the same kind of concerns or something different?

Laconic nature...nice way of saying he doesn't go hard enough..

 

[Jeffcrowe]

He did but he he was talking well into the future I took it..

Still a huge call … and I sort of agree

 

[Danger in Texas]

Laconic nature...nice way of saying he doesn't go hard enough..

AFC probably has similar concerns

Reckon the Saints did well to grab him late in the piece, though, low risk for IMO potentially high reward

 

[Sanders]

If you try yourself you can get a few more. Admit we're in a bit of a lull now, but I think that was a bit of bad selection for 2-3 years there 2-4 years ago and now with the team being so young, it'll take longer for them to shine than going in to a in contention team.

The really bizarre thing, utterly inexplicable is that we’ve been down the bottom long enough now for even the most thirsty bath water guzzlers to realise that maybe we’re not the greatest thing since sliced bread

And yet, some persist even now

 

[Sanders]

Taylor hasn't even played a game in the first yet so can hardly be included. Sog, I don't want us to get too ahead of ourselves, but sure I will pay that.

I think there was certainly enough evidence in the past to say we're good at picking late/rookie picks. Been too much of a drought since imo.

Don’t get sucked into Carmo’s world.

When someone references players from a decade+ ago, and a player who has played zero games, you can get a feel for their intuitive perspectives

 

[ad victoriam]

I’m confused, since when does a rebuilding side draft for next year? Actually which clubs do that period?

A rebuilding Team with two established rucks that are capable of continuing for the next 3-4 years along with a Young Ruck who will be around for 7 plus years, But has some glaring issues with their Midfield which unless they start acting will struggle in 2-3 years,
Does not need to get Project Tall players, who would be lucky to get a game in the next 2 years, possibly next 4 years.
By that time there will be a lot of Project ruckmen with 3-4 years of AFL really available.

We need a Midfield and without top picks, we need to multiple kids to trial, not a handful along with Project Talls.

 

[tinman]

Are you watching Newchuch's trajectory tho.
Two seasons ago he look like he'd be lucky to even get above SANFL reserves level.

This season just gone he made a hell of a jump to being serviceable SANFL and borderline AFL at his upper level. Its strange too, because a lot of his poor performance seemed attitude related, but he came out day one of this season and looked way better from the get go. I doubt that was an attitude thing, I reckon it was more a confidence and strength thing. At least strength is very controllable, so too is attitude (work rate) (if that was the issue but I doubt it) so its likely he keeps improving.
If he improves again even half or qtr as much as he did in the last season, with his attributes of speed, speed of hand to foot and snap goal kicking proficiency, he potentially makes a deadly little forward.

Newchurch is a "boom or bust". He has x-factor and some real weapons that could make him a handful at AFL level.

I agree with everything you've said, and also think that for the last half of the season he wasn't quite right - probably carrying an injury of some type. He's fortunate that he's a Cat B (like Borlase) which affords him more time to show something as he's not taking up a list spot, but even so I think that it's crunch time for Newchurch and Borlase this season.

We now have a tough team to break into for small forwards. He needs to be banging the door down, and if he gets a chance, seize it. Otherwise, I think he'll be one of quite a few players moved on at the end of next season.

 

[Banjo90]

Laconic nature...nice way of saying he doesn't go hard enough..

Brenton Phillips just said his laconic nature might have turned some clubs off, not really that "interesting".
He also said he loves the kid, has a beautiful nature and he really enjoys his company. Has been tracking him since he was 15 and has improved every single year, they also said paddy ryder was laconic when he was young and that the penny eventually drops for those type of kids once they realise whats required at the next level. He said once the penny drops he's going to become "very very damaging".

I feel we didn't take him because we didn't want another developing key forward. Already have Fogarty, Thilthorpe, Himmelberg, Gollant who theyre commited to. We didn't draft Lemmey or Scully either, who went after Keeler. Obviously thats the last of our list needs.

I really hope he succeeds at the saints and proves all the doubters wrong. Our recruiters didnt pick him, I don't know why were still bringing him up just to rubbish him.

 

[Banjo90]

Time will tell, Almost all clubs passed on him when he was available to them so Adelaide wasn't the only club that must have had some doubts whatever their reasons. Paddy Ryder waent at Pick 7 in his draft year so clubs probably didn't have the same doubts.

There is also the chance we didn't rate any of the talls that late in the draft, we most certainly rated Harry Barnett but the early bid by Sydney for Michalanney made that too difficult.

Every club also passed on Billy Dowling and Hugh Bond aswell. It doesn’t mean they aren’t going to be good footballers in a professional environment , but other clubs mustn’t have rated them and they must also have deficiencies to their game. Nobody else rubbishes them the way Keeler strangely gets rubbished by people on here though.
Ryder was a pick 7 that’s true but Adam Goodes was a pick 43. What were his knocks? Because it wasn’t natural talent.

Keelers talent is undeniable, Tony Bamford has stated that he believes he’s the most naturally talented footballer in his entire age group. He obviously has deficiencies in his work rate and intensity, but most players outside the top 10-15 in a draft have deficiencies of some sort. Time will tell like you said, and I hope all the young SA prospects succeed.

 

[UcantCme]

Every club also passed on Billy Dowling and Hugh Bond aswell. It doesn’t mean they aren’t going to be good footballers in a professional environment , but other clubs mustn’t have rated them and they must also have deficiencies to their game. Nobody else rubbishes them the way Keeler strangely gets rubbished by people on here though.
Ryder was a pick 7 that’s true but Adam Goodes was a pick 43. What were his knocks? Because it wasn’t natural talent.

Keelers talent is undeniable, Tony Bamford has stated that he believes he’s the most naturally talented footballer in his entire age group. He obviously has deficiencies in his work rate and intensity, but most players outside the top 10-15 in a draft have deficiencies of some sort. Time will tell like you said, and I hope all the young SA prospects succeed.

Keelers is soft, lacks genuine competitive instinct

iMO will struggle at AFL level


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[crow2crow]

Was surprised and disappointed Collier-Dawkins never even got Rookied

spud

dont give it a second thought

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Did D’Aloia get taken in the rookie draft.

 

[latinoheat]

Did D’Aloia get taken in the rookie draft.

No he didn’t

 

[Sanders]

Every club also passed on Billy Dowling and Hugh Bond aswell. It doesn’t mean they aren’t going to be good footballers in a professional environment , but other clubs mustn’t have rated them and they must also have deficiencies to their game. Nobody else rubbishes them the way Keeler strangely gets rubbished by people on here though.
Ryder was a pick 7 that’s true but Adam Goodes was a pick 43. What were his knocks? Because it wasn’t natural talent.

Keelers talent is undeniable, Tony Bamford has stated that he believes he’s the most naturally talented footballer in his entire age group. He obviously has deficiencies in his work rate and intensity, but most players outside the top 10-15 in a draft have deficiencies of some sort. Time will tell like you said, and I hope all the young SA prospects succeed.

Adam Goodes was in the year where teams could only take one 17yr old.

 

[Danger Zone]

Any guesses as to potential train-on players?

 

[craig crowing]

When do you imagine a project ruckman selected in the 2023 draft will be ready to contribute and make a real difference in game day?

2029? 2030?

One year earlier than if they would be picked next year . I would have thought.

 

[craig crowing]

Brenton Phillips on the SA lads drafted good wraps on Max and Billy. Biggest wraps on Kyle Marshall

Interesting comments on Keeler..

INTERVIEW: Brenton Phillips - 30 November 2022 - The FIVEAA Sports Show

omny.fm

Just don't understand why Crows didn't select Marshall as exactly looks the ideal selection to cover our weakest area in team KPD . Especially where Borlase will be very lucky to get another year.

 

[Mutineer]

Every club also passed on Billy Dowling and Hugh Bond aswell. It doesn’t mean they aren’t going to be good footballers in a professional environment , but other clubs mustn’t have rated them and they must also have deficiencies to their game. Nobody else rubbishes them the way Keeler strangely gets rubbished by people on here though.
Ryder was a pick 7 that’s true but Adam Goodes was a pick 43. What were his knocks? Because it wasn’t natural talent.

Keelers talent is undeniable, Tony Bamford has stated that he believes he’s the most naturally talented footballer in his entire age group. He obviously has deficiencies in his work rate and intensity, but most players outside the top 10-15 in a draft have deficiencies of some sort. Time will tell like you said, and I hope all the young SA prospects succeed.

Hang on, Dowling and Bond were never spoken about as being top end draft prospects like Keeler definitely was.

You seem to be taking this very personally for some reason, nobody has questioned the lad's natural talents, he has those in spades but club's don't pass on that without looking thoroughly at the whole package. We also had the advantage of spending a whole lot more time with Isaac than other clubs so if they've got it very wrong it will come back to bite them big time and they would be acutely aware of that.

Anyway that's it for me I hope the lad gets his act together and has a long and successful AFL career even if it's not with us.

 

[Mostyn]

I'm not sure I understand how Sydney's bid impacted on our ability to get Barnett?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm not sure I understand how Sydney's bid impacted on our ability to get Barnett?

If GWS get to use later Draft Picks to get Rowsten ....then they use #16 on another player, thus allowing them to trade pick #22, potentially to us, B4 Barnett is drafted

Having to match a bid on Rowsten at #16, mean't those plans were shelved

 

[cmndstab]

I have to say, it's pretty bloody cheeky of the AFC website to have an article entitled "Crows sign Perth superstar" in the wake of the draft, only for it to be a sponsorship announcement.

Crows sign Perth superstar

 

[baaaallllll]

No he didn’t

I can’t believe he didn’t get picked up by someone


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