List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[Crow till I die]

My bet is they don't. Or they would have dropped McHenry or ROB already and made Murphy actually play a game of SANFL after getting dropped.

Is that the way the club rolls when criticised by the masses though? I mean if they really did listen to us AND act on it, many things would be different. They don't listen and they don't have to and won't until bums on seats have evaporated and memberships have not been renewed. Putting out stuff like this that they have is just a slap in the face to us

 

[Crow till I die]

Less than that.

you thinking both are on AFL minimum contracts?

Edit, unless I have misread your comment and you meant McGovern was on less than 600K with us

 

[Scorpus]

My bet is they (the club) read these boards and might be in damage control

I don't think they care about BigFooty, but they definitely do read social media comments

 

[AFC979810]

Correct our backline has all become 'dour' - look at our possession count amongst the back 6 most are lucky to break 10 disposals each week rarely does one of them crack 15 - this is in a side that has lost 13 games. Hamill is showing signs of being creative but Smith, Dodee have gone backwards as far as starting play from the back half.

We create very little from defense and in fact our players don't get anywhere near enough of the ball when the opposition attack.

Agree 100%. Our backline balance has been off since we dropped Big Bad Billy. Think Smith has been a little maligned, don't think he has been as terrible as many on here are saying. He at least takes the game on and moves the ball forward.

At this stage - Hamill doesn't get enough of it unfortunately and when he does he isn't as damaging as he should be. 3 of his last 5 games he failed to get more than 7 touches. In his 11 games he averages less than 150 meters gained.

Here is our backline against Sydney and their possession / meters gained:

Doedee - 10 (136)
Butts - 11 (119)
Murray - 15 (218)
Parnell - 9 (42)
Hamill - 7 (92)

5 of our defenders combined for 607 meters gained.

Smith - 20 (600)

Compare that with Sydney who had the following meters gained: Blakely (618), Fox (335), Lloyd (346) , McInerney (336) all in the backline.

 

[Soggy2112]

Could anyone else see us trading Mcadam out? He is 27 (28 next may) & has some currency you would think. Won't play in our next premiership you wouldn't think

What would his currency be though?

Keep in mind he’s very valuable to us in the short term and in footy terms he’s probably closer to 25/26, if we push for a flag in 4-5 years I wouldn’t rule out him being a part of it.

Last year probably the closest comparison in terms of trades would be SPS or Finlayson, who both got third rounders which wouldn’t be worth it IMO. Maybe if we got an early second I’d consider it but I’d doubt that happens.

Realistically, we could trade Crouch for similar value and I’d much rather do that.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Correct our backline has all become 'dour' - look at our possession count amongst the back 6 most are lucky to break 10 disposals each week rarely does one of them crack 15 - this is in a side that has lost 13 games. Hamill is showing signs of being creative but Smith, Dodee have gone backwards as far as starting play from the back half.

We create very little from defense and in fact our players don't get anywhere near enough of the ball when the opposition attack.

Can't play out from the back with any intensity or speed at the moment. Partially to do with the fact we have decided to stop attempting to mark the ball, and partly to do with our running defenders are still learning their trade. Murray is like a bull in a china shop when he attempts to mark, so they've clearly given him the directive to spoil, and Doedee is devoid of any sort of confidence at the moment. Butts is still fairly consistent with his shut down roles, but has regressed with some decision-making this year.

We seem to be persisting with Murray/Butts, but Doedee seems in no-mans land in terms of what's expected of him. We have Frampton in the 2's racking up more marks and intercepts than most of our defenders combined in the seniors, and more M gained than most of our running HB's

You won't find it much of an issue on this board though, most of our posters LOVE a dour, spoiling, unimaginative KPD. More the merrier in having THREE of them.

Combine that we having an extremely slow FWD line, we're stuck with either being unable to play it out from the back with any urgency or effect, and the ball just re-entering our D50 constantly, or opposition teams being able to easily waltz out from our F50 and put constant pressure on us defensively further up the ground.

No wonder we're putting all our efforts into tackling around the contest so the ball doesn't get to outside where we are exposed far too easily.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Agree 100%. Our backline balance has been off since we dropped Big Bad Billy. Think Smith has been a little maligned, don't think he has been as terrible as many on here are saying. He at least takes the game on and moves the ball forward.

At this stage - Hamill doesn't get enough of it unfortunately and when he does he isn't as damaging as he should be. 3 of his last 5 games he failed to get more than 7 touches. In his 11 games he averages less than 150 meters gained.

Here is our backline against Sydney and their possession / meters gained:

Doedee - 10 (136)
Butts - 11 (119)
Murray - 15 (218)
Parnell - 9 (42)
Hamill - 7 (92)

5 of our defenders combined for 607 meters gained.

Smith - 20 (600)

Compare that with Sydney who had the following meters gained: Blakely (618), Fox (335), Lloyd (346) , McInerney (336) all in the backline.

Great post.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Just musing, if we really want hopper, could we downgrade our 1st by a pick or 2 with GWS and throw in a 2nd rounder to get the deal done?. I am assuming we have pick 3 and theirs is 4 or 5 so we dont drop too far but enough for tgem to take their pick of the players

We may end up above GWS, they may not win another game and we'll beat Norf. So your suggestion is void unfortunately.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Is it just me or does it feel like our players are constantly falling over

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Staying on your feet is a skill!

 

[Mego Red]

I that's exactly what's happening.

The club wouldn't give two shits about this board. There's maybe 40 people who regularly post.

They can see what fans are thinking (as embarassing as it is) through a bunch of other means.

 

[Mego Red]

Less than that.

Pretty widely known to be more.

Why McGovern’s “last ditch” switch to save his career can be a success

“I think it will be the last opportunity.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[incorrectdisposal]

Could anyone else see us trading Mcadam out? He is 27 (28 next may) & has some currency you would think. Won't play in our next premiership you wouldn't think

In recent years we've developed and then traded away Charlie Cameron, Eddie Betts and Tyson Stengle... so yes it seems logical that the recruiting team might trade our only in-form small forward, yep.

I do see the logic in your thinking though Bazz. He's 27yo... so probably won't be around for the next premiership in 2032. Would argue McAdam's stocks have risen significantly this year and might be worth a bit on the trade table for a team wanting a ready-made 3rd forward. I'm pleased he's had a good year, 12 months ago I was his biggest critic but he's obviously got the body right over the summer and is one of the first forwards picked each week now.

Originally hailing from Halls Creek in WA, I wonder where he wants to call home? West Coast starting a rebuild probably wouldn't take a 27yo although they could definitely do with another forward, Fremantle already have Walters but are always looking to improve on their goalkicking, especially if Lobb goes at the end of this year and Taberner's form is still down.

 

[Betts are off]

The club wouldn't give two shits about this board. There's maybe 40 people who regularly post.

They can see what fans are thinking (as embarassing as it is) through a bunch of other means.

I think they engage the twitter and facebook pages more frequently as its a direct line to the club's media department. But they have quite clearly shown they've now become super reactive to supporter outrage, especially in the last month. Particularly with the Newchurch non selection. I mean Nicks came out and said it at the weird press conference they called to defend the selection (which is evidence enough as it is).

Do they have people skulking around in BF, maybe, maybe not. TBH i'm not losing sleep about where they are getting their feedback. I just think its pretty crystal clear that the club's media department is in rebuild image damage control.

 

[Betts are off]

In recent years we've developed and then traded away Charlie Cameron, Eddie Betts and Tyson Stengle... so yes it seems logical that the recruiting team might trade our only in-form small forward, yep.

I do see the logic in your thinking though Bazz. He's 27yo... so probably won't be around for the next premiership in 2032. Would argue McAdam's stocks have risen significantly this year and might be worth a bit on the trade table for a team wanting a ready-made 3rd forward. I'm pleased he's had a good year, 12 months ago I was his biggest critic but he's obviously got the body right over the summer and is one of the first forwards picked each week now.

Originally hailing from Halls Creek in WA, I wonder where he wants to call home? West Coast starting a rebuild probably wouldn't take a 27yo although they could definitely do with another forward, Fremantle already have Walters but are always looking to improve on their goalkicking, especially if Lobb goes at the end of this year and Taberner's form is still down.

There was a Freo rumor that floated around the Henley Beach Cafe a few years ago. Might have been made up, i'm not sure, but I could actually see him flourishing in that side.

 

[LeftyLuke]

Correct our backline has all become 'dour' - look at our possession count amongst the back 6 most are lucky to break 10 disposals each week rarely does one of them crack 15 - this is in a side that has lost 13 games. Hamill is showing signs of being creative but Smith, Dodee have gone backwards as far as starting play from the back half.

We create very little from defense and in fact our players don't get anywhere near enough of the ball when the opposition attack.

What I learnt from watching the swans quarter 1 debacle is that we don't have many ball getters in the backline. Lots of players standing around waiting for receives. Unless the mids got down there to win the ball we were completely stuffed. Jones was pretty much clueless as to what he should be doing. It was painful to watch, he isn't a footballer.

In regards to the overall backline our current structure is wrong and we need better personnel in some spots. I agree Frampton made us look better as it helped Smith and Doedee. End of the year we need a better KPD such as Brennan Cox. I have concerns with Butts. He has no offence to his game and his kicking isn't good enough. Murray has a lot more upside imo. We also need another running halfback from our list or trade/draft to replace smith shortly.

 

[incorrectdisposal]

There was a Freo rumor that floated around the Henley Beach Cafe a few years ago. Might have been made up, i'm not sure, but I could actually see him flourishing in that side.

A straight swap of Shane McAdam for Brennan Cox (ex Woodville West Torrens boy) - wouldn't be bad for either side.
Adelaide needs to keep strengthening defence and Cox would certainly assist the young guys in Murray, Butts and co.
Fremantle would certainly look better in front of goal with McAdam in their forward line.

(Only concern here... the commentators would have to choose their words carefully having Butts and Cox in the same part of the ground).

 

[LeftyLuke]

A straight swap of Shane McAdam for Brennan Cox (ex Woodville West Torrens boy) - wouldn't be bad for either side.
Adelaide needs to keep strengthening defence and Cox would certainly assist the young guys in Murray, Butts and co.
Fremantle would certainly look better in front of goal with McAdam in their forward line.

(Only concern here... the commentators would have to choose their words carefully having Butts and Cox in the same part of the ground).

The only problem is that Cox has really been lighting it up lately so Freo really won't want to lose him. He's in contract as well. We will have to offer something or someone decent.

 

[Danger in Texas]

A straight swap of Shane McAdam for Brennan Cox (ex Woodville West Torrens boy) - wouldn't be bad for either side.
Adelaide needs to keep strengthening defence and Cox would certainly assist the young guys in Murray, Butts and co.
Fremantle would certainly look better in front of goal with McAdam in their forward line.

(Only concern here... the commentators would have to choose their words carefully having Butts and Cox in the same part of the ground).

As much as I’m a fan of Shane, Freo laughs and hangs up the phone on us there

 

[1990crow]

Agree 100%. Our backline balance has been off since we dropped Big Bad Billy. Think Smith has been a little maligned, don't think he has been as terrible as many on here are saying. He at least takes the game on and moves the ball forward.

At this stage - Hamill doesn't get enough of it unfortunately and when he does he isn't as damaging as he should be. 3 of his last 5 games he failed to get more than 7 touches. In his 11 games he averages less than 150 meters gained.

Here is our backline against Sydney and their possession / meters gained:

Doedee - 10 (136)
Butts - 11 (119)
Murray - 15 (218)
Parnell - 9 (42)
Hamill - 7 (92)

5 of our defenders combined for 607 meters gained.

Smith - 20 (600)

Compare that with Sydney who had the following meters gained: Blakely (618), Fox (335), Lloyd (346) , McInerney (336) all in the backline.

These numbers are quite damning.
Send Milera back to half back, he's a good metres gained player back there.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

In regards to the overall backline our current structure is wrong and we need better personnel in some spots. I agree Frampton made us look better as it helped Smith and Doedee.

Why do you think Frampton was dropped .....and why he's been left to rot in the SANFL ?

It has to do with 2 bits of play in his last game

 

[Scorpus]

Agree 100%. Our backline balance has been off since we dropped Big Bad Billy. Think Smith has been a little maligned, don't think he has been as terrible as many on here are saying. He at least takes the game on and moves the ball forward.

At this stage - Hamill doesn't get enough of it unfortunately and when he does he isn't as damaging as he should be. 3 of his last 5 games he failed to get more than 7 touches. In his 11 games he averages less than 150 meters gained.

Here is our backline against Sydney and their possession / meters gained:

Doedee - 10 (136)
Butts - 11 (119)
Murray - 15 (218)
Parnell - 9 (42)
Hamill - 7 (92)

5 of our defenders combined for 607 meters gained.

Smith - 20 (600)

Compare that with Sydney who had the following meters gained: Blakely (618), Fox (335), Lloyd (346) , McInerney (336) all in the backline.

Nicks is not an attacking coach. I wouldn't be surprised if this is how he wants to play

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Nicks is not an attacking coach. I wouldn't be surprised if this is how he wants to play

On the contrary, he is .....in his first year, some of the crows play was compared to the orange tsunami .....he had a more experienced team at that stage

He said in pressers early, he wanted to play an attacking, attractive style of footy .....he was also credited heavily with adding a harder edge to the GWS team, which got them to a Grand Final in 2019

You can have all the skill in your team, but without a Finals edge .....you end up with the Crows circa 2017

You rebuild the team in components of your play ......you can't train it all at once with kids
Some clubs teach offense first, some build off defense .....we're building off a contested style, a Finals style of play

Exactly how Paul Roos built SYD to a flag !!!

As the list gains more experience & fitness .....remembering with so many under 20-30 games, they're not all AFL fit yet ......a more offensive style of play will be next

This is year 3 of the rebuild .....on target

 

[Mutineer]

In recent years we've developed and then traded away Charlie Cameron, Eddie Betts and Tyson Stengle... so yes it seems logical that the recruiting team might trade our only in-form small forward, yep.

I do see the logic in your thinking though Bazz. He's 27yo... so probably won't be around for the next premiership in 2032. Would argue McAdam's stocks have risen significantly this year and might be worth a bit on the trade table for a team wanting a ready-made 3rd forward. I'm pleased he's had a good year, 12 months ago I was his biggest critic but he's obviously got the body right over the summer and is one of the first forwards picked each week now.

Originally hailing from Halls Creek in WA, I wonder where he wants to call home? West Coast starting a rebuild probably wouldn't take a 27yo although they could definitely do with another forward, Fremantle already have Walters but are always looking to improve on their goalkicking, especially if Lobb goes at the end of this year and Taberner's form is still down.

Traded yes but Cameron wasn't staying past the next season, Eddie was past his use by date and Stengle didn't fit in with the culture the club is developing..

You might not have noticed in more recent times there hasn't been any reluctance by our recent draftees to ink an extension/contract.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Traded yes but Cameron wasn't staying past the next season, Eddie was past his use by date and Stengle didn't fit in with the culture the club is developing..

You might not have noticed in more recent times there hasn't been any reluctance by our recent draftees to ink an extension/contract.

Remember when every supporter was very happy to dump Stengle ..... I mean, he was never going to amount to anything, other than being another failed Crows small forward ......that's the All-Australian Stengle I'm referring too

 

[LeftyLuke]