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all it proves it that he was prepared to work with Nix to a similar level as Ken. He had 2 options, Nix being our coach didn't rule us out but that's absolutely not the same as Nix being coach improved our chances.
if TT is going to be first ruck then it's fine. I do think it's way early to rule a line through TT as a key forward though. He's tall, but our favoured deep bomb strategy doesn't utilise his key attributes. I decent coach with a fast and direct strategy that isn't obsessed with long entries will result in a huge improvement. But I'd ruck I'd his go and ROB is moved on then I'd go with that structure.
I would move ROB on no matter what we are doing with TT. one or two good games a year is not enough.
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I'm putting this here so people have it for their reference.
We currently are 37/6 (2) as our list.
We ultimately can be any combination of 38/4 to 36/6, as long as we don't go over 42 (your CAT Bs don't count against this number)
MAIN LIST
1. Chayce Jones
2. Ben Keays
3. Fischer McAsey
4. Lachlan Murphy
5. Matt Crouch
6. Jackson Hately
7. Riley Thilthorpe
8. Josh Rachele
9. Rory Sloane
10. Luke Pedlar
11. Paul Seedsman
12. Jordan Dawson
13. Taylor Walker
14. Jake Soligo
15. Brayden Cook
16. Luke Brown
17. Will Hamill
19. Zac Taylor
20. Mitch Hinge
21. Sam Berry
22. Billy Frampton
23. Shane McAdam
24. Joshua Worrell
25. Ned McHenry
26. Harry Schoenberg
27. Luke Nankervis
29. Rory Laird
30. Wayne Milera
31. James Rowe
32. Darcy Fogarty
33. Brodie Smith
34. Elliott Himmelberg
36. Andrew McPherson
38. Lachlan Sholl
39. Tom Doedee
43. Reilly O'Brien
44. Lachlan Gollant
CAT A ROOKIES
28. Nick Murray
37. Patrick Parnell
40. Ben Davis
41. Jordon Butts (final year as rookie)
45. Kieran Strachan (final year as rookie)
46. Brett Turner
CAT B ROOKIES
35. James Borlase
42. Tariek Newchurch
We currently are 37/6 (2) as our list.
We ultimately can be any combination of 38/4 to 36/6, as long as we don't go over 42 (your CAT Bs don't count against this number)
MAIN LIST
1. Chayce Jones
2. Ben Keays
3. Fischer McAsey
4. Lachlan Murphy
5. Matt Crouch
6. Jackson Hately
7. Riley Thilthorpe
8. Josh Rachele
9. Rory Sloane
10. Luke Pedlar
11. Paul Seedsman
12. Jordan Dawson
13. Taylor Walker
14. Jake Soligo
15. Brayden Cook
16. Luke Brown
17. Will Hamill
19. Zac Taylor
20. Mitch Hinge
21. Sam Berry
22. Billy Frampton
23. Shane McAdam
24. Joshua Worrell
25. Ned McHenry
26. Harry Schoenberg
27. Luke Nankervis
29. Rory Laird
30. Wayne Milera
31. James Rowe
32. Darcy Fogarty
33. Brodie Smith
34. Elliott Himmelberg
36. Andrew McPherson
38. Lachlan Sholl
39. Tom Doedee
43. Reilly O'Brien
44. Lachlan Gollant
CAT A ROOKIES
28. Nick Murray
37. Patrick Parnell
40. Ben Davis
41. Jordon Butts (final year as rookie)
45. Kieran Strachan (final year as rookie)
46. Brett Turner
CAT B ROOKIES
35. James Borlase
42. Tariek Newchurch
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- Aug 6, 2021
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I disagree, if you listen to his actual words rather than choosing to believe what you want to that’s not the implication.
We’ve had so far in this rebuild, all of our key young talent re-sign, have attracted two very highly rated players to our club, and were able to sign one of the most sought after high performance people in the country. But yeah, Nicks, as the head coach had and probably the most important person in the football department had absolutely nothing to do with it…
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Great post, might be worth adding that Butts and Strachan have spent their three years on the rookie list and must be promoted to the senior list this off season.
if we had a selection philosophy that held senior players as accountable for output as we do developing KIDS, then he'd play a lot more than one or two good games a year.
As the talent evolves your predict we’d become less dour
Only time will tell though , maybe he’s just a coach for stage 1 of rebuild , maybe not
No way to be sure either way at this point
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3. Fischer McAsey (traded with 2023 3rd Round for pick 28)
5. Matt Crouch (traded for 2023 3rd round)
11. Paul Seedsman (retired)
22. Billy Frampton (traded for pick 45)
31. James Rowe (traded for pick 65)
40. Ben Davis (delisted)
32/5 (2)
Picks 5, 23, 28, 45, 65, 77
IN
Rankine for future 1st
23 and 28 for 13.
Strachan and Butts to Main List
Draft at 5, 13 and Michalanney
Seedsman to Cat A Rookie
38/6. Possibly cut Turner if we want another rookie pick.
3. Fischer McAsey (traded with 2023 3rd Round for pick 28)
5. Matt Crouch (traded for 2023 3rd round)
11. Paul Seedsman (retired)
22. Billy Frampton (traded for pick 45)
31. James Rowe (traded for pick 65)
40. Ben Davis (delisted)
32/5 (2)
Picks 5, 23, 28, 45, 65, 77
IN
Rankine for future 1st
23 and 28 for 13.
Strachan and Butts to Main List
Draft at 5, 13 and Michalanney
Seedsman to Cat A Rookie
38/6. Possibly cut Turner if we want another rookie pick.
When we see us being chosen by a non-SA person returning home, you'll have a much better argument. What we've got at the moment compared to the our competitor is a lot more available $. Bit on and off field because Port already had a HP Mgr, so they'd have to pay them out. You can believe the fantasy that a guy with Nix coaching record is the sole reason behind 2 players and a HP mgr chose the crows if it helps you. But the first decision made by all 3 was that they wanted to return home. Nix over Ken would be a minor factor at best, no factor most likely.
But he didn’t play 1-2 good games did he
He’s probably middle of the road ruck , but he’s played more than 1-2 good games for year
I do like Thilthorpe as a long term ruck that goes forward
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65 is the last pick WB have. They have to pass on that pick to take Rowe as a DFA, so it's exactly the same from their perspective to give it away.
A future third is pretty close to meaningless. IF a club wants Crouch, that's about the least a club could give.
is Seedsman retired or a Cat A rookie?
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I’m not suggesting that Nicks is some kind of messiah who’s bringing all these great people in.
My point is that Nicks was brought in because they saw him as someone who could build a positive club culture. Us becoming a club that players are eager to re-sign for, and valuable personnel are willing to sign with, is IMO evidence that he has achieved this. Can you admit that?
This is true. Lots of positives around our club culture. The problem is that a good club culture is a balancing act. Nicks rebuilt something from the ground up and he deserves all the credit. But...unless he drastically improves his game day performance, I can see our culture going backwards quickly. We exist to win premierships and a winning culture is a good culture. We have the base for it, but we need to take the next step.
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- Sep 3, 2018
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You didn’t really answer the question. I am not debating whether we should look for an upgrade of ROB - just saying we barely have a half a dozen players who deserve over the average wage at the start of 2022
Walker Laird Dawson Seedsman Sloane and probably ROB as a B&F winner. The only others in the ball park would be Crouch, Smith, Doedee, Brown and Milera (to earn over average wage contracted before the season started)
So ROB is pretty obvious one to be on those sort of dollars
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not certain that raw stats tell the story there though. Posters will look at our contested numbers in isolation as if it's meaningful. Not saying arguments can't be progressed on raw stats, but deeper analysis is generally required. As an example, we were 3rd in the league for clearances per game. 3rd best clearance team some would say. But they'd be totally wrong. That stat ignores the key metric which is number of available clearances. Add that in and we're 12th for clearances per game differential. Then when you take that into account and factor in our shallow midfield rotation compared to almost all clubs, the individual stats are likely to be skewed due to availability as well.
Another interesting one, not as sexy as clearances, is that we rank 4th for least marks conceded to opp per game. But we rank 16th for marks per game differential. Our game style reduces the number available to opponents but we're still being heavily beaten in that stat.
Gut feel is that good team and individual contest/clearance stats may very well be fools gold. And that's before we even bother with quality differential which we know we're at or near the bottom of.
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Great work .....your numbers show we currently have 43 on the list, combined Rookie / Main list
Is it just one player on the LTI list .....I thought both Seedsman and Sloane were ?
Note that we currently have 43 on our list (plus Cat B rookies), with a maximum of 42. This is the result of adding Turner in the MSD, replacing Seedsman who was on the LTI list. Turner doesn't technically "own" a position on our list.
It's not the last pick they have. They have as many picks as they require, to fill the vacancies on their list. It's just that most people don't bother listing picks after the 4th round - but those later round picks still exist.
His game day performance is just fine, given the age & inexperience of the players he's working with. If anything, he has the team over-performing relative to expectations.
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Nah .....makes our FWD line too Fog focussed (after Tex retires) ....we need two genuine marking talls min, unless you think Himmelberg steps up "consistently"
COLL showed this year, they can manage & flourish with a 2nd string Ruckman over a $1M Grundy
Sloane was placed on the LTI list as well, but we only made one selection in the MSD (Turner) - hence why we have 43 players, when the maximum list size is 42 (excluding Cat B rookies).
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