List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part I

[PostmanBish]

So idk who’d we actually target in the trade period. A Key defender would mean one of Battle or Howard goes out of the best 22 and I don’t see that happening. Maybe another forward - but I don’t see us wanting them more then other teams who need forwards badly. More mids then I guess. Ideally this years Cerra equivalent or this years Lipinski equivalent.

I reckon we might be a lot quieter on the trade front this year, unless it's an absolute A-grader who nominates us and we think they're worth the price. If we have a good season, it might shake a disgruntled A-grader loose, but we need to make sure we don't lock into ludicrous contracts. I only want to sign mercenary guns if they are 100% committed to getting their name on the list of "Saints players to win a flag".

Based on 5 rounds, it's looking likely that a number of our players are pushing for breakout years (Higgins, Gresh, Sinclair, King, DMac, maybe even Long), so that internal growth we've been craving seems to be there. Ross has rediscovered his form and fitness (a real bonus), while Paton is going to need another 5-6 games just to get back to his baseline, Crouch is consistently solid without absolutely dominating, Steele is going to grow into the captaincy, etc.

A lot will also depend on how the club see Heath/Adams developing at Sandy, being positional players, as well as the development of our existing mids, it might be sufficient for us to hit the draft again, and pick up another mid in the 1st round, as well as another development KPD a bit later. If we see Heath as being our next No.1 ruck based on his development in 2022, we certainly don't need to spend all our capital on a No.1 Ruck if/when Paddy decides to hang them up (I would love for us to talk him into a Mumford style role where he is on the list, but effectively a coach, let him have trips home regularly, and be a break-glass option for the next couple of years - the man knows how to stay fit without needing to burn him at Sandy every single week)

 

[_Maximus_12]

Ross would like be in the top half a dozen in our best and fairest right now. No way he comes out for anyone.

 

[PostmanBish]

Problem with this is it leads to decent players asking to be traded, which isn't something we've really had to deal with much for 10 years lol

Agreed - it will be a new challenge ... hopefully Satan will veto any blatant low-ball offers, avoid selling too much depth, and we can build up a little stockpile of worthwhile future picks.

I think Steele setting the example by taking a reasonable contract will help us as we move to contention - if we're able to keep those players reasonably happy contract-wise, knowing they're an injury-away from playing finals in a contending team, we won't have too much to worry about in our top-28 or so.

Hopefully we don't lose a developing superstar along the way ...

 

[plugger66]

Ross would like be in the top half a dozen in our best and fairest right now. No way he comes out for anyone.

No one is suggesting he is anytime soon.

 

[gringo2011]

I’m a Ross fan but if Clark is a better mid he pushes him out. He won’t start as a mid but will play 10 or so minutes in there initially. He will just rotate from the backline. Lienart is going to stop him playing there. There are still plenty of players who can come out for Clark to play half back and have the occasional run in the midfield. Once fit enough and if in form then maybe it’s Ross.

Ross is playing career best footy. He'd be hard to push out on current form. Hunts would have to really step up.

 

[gringo2011]

Jones and Billings probably offer more because they’re more senior players, but I actually think Clark is the one who would fit into our team the best despite not having an obvious position.

It’s a bit of a weird call, but his style of play (silk, evasion, more grit then meets the eye) would really just add more class to our team.

Jones would heighten our run and gun, and Billings is a cherry on top who could get off the leash if he’s not a focal point of the team, but Clark actually provides something which we don’t really have any of in the side. He’s a bit like a Sinclair. Except if Sinclairs power is to speed things up, Clark’s is to slow time down (in a good way). Essentially, he’d add another weapon to our ball movement.

Ideally all 3 plus Ryder are in the side in 2 weeks time and if they’re match fit. And that is a really really good team on paper and potential. Would love to keep a kid in as well, namely NVM, as I think it does wonders for the team as a whole.

Tough as to who comes out but that’ll probably be dependent on whose in/out of form when those 4 players return. You want that though, you want our depth to be best 22 quality because that really amps up the selection pressure.

Coffield in for Lienert next year means we get that intercepting defender. Plus hit the draft again you’d think.

So idk who’d we actually target in the trade period. A Key defender would mean one of Battle or Howard goes out of the best 22 and I don’t see that happening. Maybe another forward - but I don’t see us wanting them more then other teams who need forwards badly. More mids then I guess. Ideally this years Cerra equivalent or this years Lipinski equivalent.

I'd look at chasing a player like Rankine or even see if we could get Stephenson out of North. Stephenson is a big game player and looks bored in a shit side. Both could be small forward/mid types so add to the adaptability and rotation stuff.

 

[Strahany]

Hunter was getting gifted some midfield minutes earlier than he would have otherwise earned them, in my opinion. This was absolutely justifiable, given his undeniable talent and the desire to give him exposure. However, with the current midfielders in great form and the youth more than pulling their weight, I do not see any need to rush Clark back in. As the team improves, the threshold of form over which players must be to justify selection raises in turn.

We need to maintain integrity in the selection process as spots in the 22 on game day are being less assigned to development opportunities and more to winning on the day.

 

[HunterClarksHeadband]

Hunter slots back into the half back line with Sincs on the other side. Maybe replaces Benny Pato? JWeb held down what I considered Pato’s “2020” roll very nicely.

Plus having NWM, Clark and Sinclair all in the same line up is actually f*cked exciting. Candy ball movement and skill

 

[plugger66]

Ross is playing career best footy. He'd be hard to push out on current form. Hunts would have to really step up.

And that’s pretty much what I said. I still the midfield lacks a player like Clark. Let’s not get carried away yet. I think I’ve stuck up for Ross nearly more than anyone here but if the coach thinks Clark can be another point of difference in the midfield then Ross is the first out. That doesn’t mean dropped. They may find another position for him. Anyway by the time Clark is fit enough to be a proper mid we will certainly know if the midfield is good enough without him.

 

[Minga]

I'd look at chasing a player like Rankine or even see if we could get Stephenson out of North. Stephenson is a big game player and looks bored in a shit side. Both could be small forward/mid types so add to the adaptability and rotation stuff.

Wow, both would be contentious but I don’t mind how left field that call is.

Rankine would cost too much and have an
Adelaide bias no?

Stephenson is a big game player but IDK, he’s got some bad off-field history, not sure if he’s pass our no dickheads rule. Plus you’d think after North picked him up for nothing they wouldn’t be so keen to let him go for nothing.

I do like your train of thought though. Despite us having really good small forward depth I wouldn’t have said no if we drafted Rachele last year for example, and if there were some players like that bubbling around or out of favour it could be a savvy pick up. Like Tyson Stengle for Geelong last off-season. It’d be pure luxury though, far from our greatest need.

 

[#gosaintas]

Wow, both would be contentious but I don’t mind how left field that call is.

Rankine would cost too much and have an
Adelaide bias no?

Stephenson is a big game player but IDK, he’s got some bad off-field history, not sure if he’s pass our no dickheads rule. Plus you’d think after North picked him up for nothing they wouldn’t be so keen to let him go for nothing.

I do like your train of thought though. Despite us having really good small forward depth I wouldn’t have said no if we drafted Rachele last year for example, and if there were some players like that bubbling around or out of favour it could be a savvy pick up. Like Tyson Stengle for Geelong last off-season. It’d be pure luxury though, far from our greatest need.

Surely we need a proper KPD first, mids second and third. Don't think Battle will cut it. He tries but he's not much chop IMO. I'd happily trade him.

 

[plugger66]

I'd look at chasing a player like Rankine or even see if we could get Stephenson out of North. Stephenson is a big game player and looks bored in a shit side. Both could be small forward/mid types so add to the adaptability and rotation stuff.

Couldn’t have less interest in Stephenson and we would pay a fortune for rankine who seems a small forward. That would be a huge waste of money. Neither for me please.

 

[Minga]

Surely we need a proper KPD first, mids second and third. Don't think Battle will cut it. He tries but he's not much chop IMO. I'd happily trade him.

Battle against Gold Coast:

21 disposals
7 marks
5 tackles

I hope we don’t trade him. Battle is on the younger side and has shown a lot IMO. Let him settle into staying in one position. He’s unlikely to get outed for pace where he is, and can be physical whilst also taking intercept marks. I also cant think of anyone we could replace him with who would be better.

At his best, he should work well with Howard as they complement each other well. Howard’s got the 200cm frame, leadership and golden fist. Battle has the sticky mitts, physicality and nice kick. Plus we have one of the best defences in the league atm, so until we come up against a top 4 side (apart from Freo) I wouldn’t be selling Battle short yet.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Surely we need a proper KPD first, mids second and third. Don't think Battle will cut it. He tries but he's not much chop IMO. I'd happily trade him.

Describe “not much chop”, back it up.
This should be good.

 

[#gosaintas]

Describe “not much chop”, back it up.
This should be good.

Pretty simple I would have thought. I don't think he's very good. Not good enough. Not much chop.
Too small. Too slow. Poor agility. Not a particularly good intercept mark.
His attitude is terrific and courage unquestionable. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I doubt it. Not such a big call I would have thought.

 

[stavro#4]

Giants

Taranto - still uncontracted. Would cost a lot but would be a huge addition to our midfield and can rest forward

Briggs - if we are looking for a ready made Ryder replacement. He's been good in the VFL and even in the AFL when he gets am opportunity. Looks to be behind Preuss and Flynn

O'Hallaron - a good clearance player with a burst of speed that just can't break into their midfield and plays out of position. Not sure he'd be able to break into ours though so may have the same issues. I think there are probably better suitors for him out there

Bruhn - very promising young mid that can also go forward and kick a goal. Could be a Steele type of trade where you can get him at a good price before he explodes. Will be hard to bea tr Geelong to his signature though.

Port

Outside of Amon most players we'd want are contracted, but if shit really hits the fan you might be able to target a contracted player.

Unless his name is Zak Butters - I wouldn’t even look at port.

 

[plugger66]

Pretty simple I would have thought. I don't think he's very good. Not good enough. Not much chop.
Too small. Too slow. Poor agility. Not a particularly good intercept mark.
His attitude is terrific and courage unquestionable. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I doubt it. Not such a big call I would have thought.

Geary is still playing.

 

[DGontheQT]

We should treat GWS + Gold Coast like Coles and Woolworths , and check out their midfielder specials , lol.
At GWS a future star in Finn Callaghan is worth having a crack at , every 12 months. Tom Greene would be good too , but may take up Hanners former full financial allotment. Anderson at Gold Coast and there are others.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Pretty simple I would have thought. I don't think he's very good. Not good enough. Not much chop.
Too small. Too slow. Poor agility. Not a particularly good intercept mark.
His attitude is terrific and courage unquestionable. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I doubt it. Not such a big call I would have thought.

What is simple is he’s “above average” in disposals, effective disposals, contested possessions, intercept possessions, pressure acts and meters gained. He’s “elite” in marks, tackles and inside 50’s.

So yeah, it’s a pretty big call.

 

[plugger66]

What is simple is he’s “above average” in disposals, effective disposals, contested possessions, intercept possessions, pressure acts and meters gained. He’s “elite” in marks, tackles and inside 50’s.

So yeah, it’s a pretty big call.

He is having a great year and the game he seemed to be given the role to intercept mark he took 9 of them. Because of our lack of talls down back he can’t do that role to often.

 

[#gosaintas]

What is simple is he’s “above average” in disposals, effective disposals, contested possessions, intercept possessions, pressure acts and meters gained. He’s “elite” in marks, tackles and inside 50’s.

So yeah, it’s a pretty big call.

yeah - but apart from that, what did the Romans ever do for us??

 

[#gosaintas]

Geary is still playing.

I'm fine with him knocking himself out at Sandy

 

[plugger66]

I'm fine with him knocking himself out at Sandy

It’s taken 7 years and he still at the club. Battle will be happy to know he has a good 7 years left at the saints.

 

[#gosaintas]

It’s taken 7 years and he still at the club. Battle will be happy to know he has a good 7 years left at the saints.

has been a while

 

[PetWussy]

If Highmore came in and was having the season Battle is, we would all be jumping and raving..let's not forget Battle is younger than Tommy too