List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[Premium]

I didn't want Lobb but it would have made sense to take a Weed or Schache if that was what they were saying that they'd do.

Weiderman and Schache would fall behind Sharman wouldn't you think and after them if you need a relief ruck , Hayes comes in or anyone that can make a contest in the ruck - Howard , Battle , Wilkie , Lienert / they have all done it.

So to me I think we are right with Campbell waiting in the 2s

We also have a few kids in the 2s that could surprise this year - for instance Alison had look anything but a AFL class type player , but the last game of the season was best of ground I heard and at 20yrs old at 1.95m could shut a lot of us up who wrote him off.

Heath with a full pre-season behind him could also push for selection knowing the guy is 2.04m and showed a bit in a few games before fading out towards the end of the season and being 95+kgs , will only comeback bigger and stronger.

Oscar Adams is another big guy at 1.97m and usually having a kid going through his 2nd season with the conditioning of a tough preseason could see him pushing for a game.

Just these 3 kids who where by no way dart picks and worth value in the draft , could all make a big leap this coming season.
And by the looks our list management must think these kids have a better chance of playing in our 22 than Weed and Shockie.

 

[Saints TV]

 

[Diehard Saint]

Any bets we blew up his phone once we heard pick 7 was attached - hence his comment about wanting to go to a club that was interested in him before pick 7 was linked.

I would say most clubs were more interested in the pick 7 than him…let’s be honest here. Or at the very least, became interested in him BECAUSE of the pick that came with him.

I doubt we were Robinson Crusoe here.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

McKernan and Frawley were taken as free agents in a draft where our first round pick netted Matthew Allison.
There were no young players of note taken in that draft after Highmore.
Collingwood got Ginnivan in the rookie draft, we could have , but it wasn't McKernan or Frawley that stopped us. We could have made a rookie pick.

 

[Premium]

Looks like we are picking up a few good delisted players

 

[sunny3193]

FWIW l agree, but if things don't happened quickly then membership will decline then we can't meet the soft cap again and we'll be back to zero just as King hits his prime years.
Patents is fine but time is short

And FWIW back at you.
I suspect our current troubles lie in a previous attempt to stay relevant.
Pressure from Gil and his “bad debt” statement….
That worked in the sense that our business model improved (and we can see that in all the business metrics you’d like to name) but it really made list management difficult. More difficult by the subsequent underperformance on the field.
gringo2011 is right in a way (he’ll be loving this) and the scenario that I have painted does offer an explanation for the changes in direction and strategy.

Alternatively, I am speaking bollocks and we’re all ruined.

 

[MordySaint]

Not at all . I wasnt a huge fan of any of these, particularly McKernan and Frawley, but every team need, and would have, players of that caliber sitting in the twos as insurance. These players served a purpose and none of them prevented us getting high quality players.

The picks we used for these players would have got us nothing. Having a look back at what we used, all very late picks.

I don't think they served a purpose at all, as they aren't on our list anymore and contributed little or nothing to our success... maybe even sent our list backwards.

How do you know that they prevented us from getting high quality players, that's completely sliding doors stuff. We have no idea of the butterfly effect that one decision can make on an entire scenario.

The top-ups didn't work period.

 

[gringo2011]

Not at all . I wasnt a huge fan of any of these, particularly McKernan and Frawley, but every team need, and would have, players of that caliber sitting in the twos as insurance. These players served a purpose and none of them prevented us getting high quality players.

The picks we used for these players would have got us nothing. Having a look back at what we used, all very late picks.

They all take up list spots and it shows that they overrated where we were at in our list management. You are better to have kids with scope to improve or even a Wilkie out of the state leagues with an upside.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Looks like we are picking up a few good delisted players

Who have we got that we want to delist to make room for delisted players?

 

[SaintyMcSaintface]

Our recruiters were all about Collier-Dawkins in his draft year. I wonder if they'll have a look

 

[Diehard Saint]

Well that’s just way too positive for here!

 

[Mowman]

Weiderman and Schache would fall behind Sharman wouldn't you think and after them if you need a relief ruck , Hayes comes in or anyone that can make a contest in the ruck - Howard , Battle , Wilkie , Lienert / they have all done it.

So to me I think we are right with Campbell waiting in the 2s

We also have a few kids in the 2s that could surprise this year - for instance Alison had look anything but a AFL class type player , but the last game of the season was best of ground I heard and at 20yrs old at 1.95m could shut a lot of us up who wrote him off.

Heath with a full pre-season behind him could also push for selection knowing the guy is 2.04m and showed a bit in a few games before fading out towards the end of the season and being 95+kgs , will only comeback bigger and stronger.

Oscar Adams is another big guy at 1.97m and usually having a kid going through his 2nd season with the conditioning of a tough preseason could see him pushing for a game.

Just these 3 kids who where by no way dart picks and worth value in the draft , could all make a big leap this coming season.
And by the looks our list management must think these kids have a better chance of playing in our 22 than Weed and Shockie.

Alison best on ground when ? Not even close, how many games have you watched him play, I would put money on him not making it

How many games have you watched Heath play ? He is a good size and that is it, at the minute needs to have a big year next year as he hardly got near it at VFL level this year

Oscar Adams missed most of this year with injurie and needs to put at least 10 kg on, he is a long way off thats why we got Cordy

 

[BrutThough]

Not at all . I wasnt a huge fan of any of these, particularly McKernan and Frawley, but every team need, and would have, players of that caliber sitting in the twos as insurance. These players served a purpose and none of them prevented us getting high quality players.

The picks we used for these players would have got us nothing. Having a look back at what we used, all very late picks.

And for as poor as McKernan and Frawley were, the logic behind adding ready to go types in those positions was correct given we had to call upon both of them with the amount of injuries we had. Next time, we just need to pick better mature players.

 

[Premium]

Who have we got that we want to delist to make room for delisted players?

Well with Long gone , Geary retired , Ryder retired , Joyce gone , Kent retired --- I would say 3 spots are filled in the draft - so 2 spots available.

 

[BrutThough]

I don't know anything about Martyn, but Sick and RCD could be worth looking at.

 

[lewdogs]

They all take up list spots and it shows that they overrated where we were at in our list management. You are better to have kids with scope to improve or even a Wilkie out of the state leagues with an upside.

Wouldn't Schache and Weidemann be doing the same thing though? Both look like list cloggers.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Well with Long gone , Geary retired , Ryder retired , Joyce gone , Kent retired --- I would say 3 spots are filled in the draft - so 2 spots available.

If we don't use 4 in the draft i'm going to vent.

Not sure if Joyce was a rookie or not in the end.

 

[gringo2011]

Lucky we didn't trade for Collier-Dawkins. Stack is talented but too much for us to handle and Aarts looks like a shitter Butler.

 

[The Punter]

Collier-Dawkins a big bodied inside mid FWIW.

 

[True Believer]

Non-career ending injuries are no reason to move a player on. Especially when he is skilled.

So how did Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon know all about this deal to include Pick 7 ... yet St Kilda aren't privvy to the same information. Just looks like we have our heads in the sand.

Sun for a steal: Cats pick up mid, No.7 pick in high-priced deal

Jack Bowes has officially made his way to Geelong

www.afl.com.au

Bollocks. Hawthorn and Essendon knew about pick 7 at the same time that we did, and they were months late to the party!! Bowes was never going anywhere but Geelong, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was instructed to meet with both Hawthorn and Essendon for the optics of it, so that it didn't look like a "fait accompli" that he was only ever going to Geelong......

 

[gringo2011]

Alison best on ground when ? Not even close, how many games have you watched him play, I would put money on him not making it

How many games have you watched Heath play ? He is a good size and that is it, at the minute needs to have a big year next year as he hardly got near it at VFL level this year

Oscar Adams missed most of this year with injurie and needs to put at least 10 kg on, he is a long way off thats why we got Cordy

Yeah, Heath is okay for a raw kid ruck, the other two are not even close to playing senior footy.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Aarts, Martyn and RCD are vfl level players.
Stack interesting, talent probably held back by off field issues.
Worth a gamble I think.

 

[bird_man]

I don't know anything about Martyn, but Sick and RCD could be worth looking at.

RCD has been very average over the last couple of years

Stack would be ideal if he wasn't a loose cannon.

 

[gringo2011]

Wouldn't Schache and Weidemann be doing the same thing though? Both look like list cloggers.

I didn't want to do the trade, I was commenting on the article. If we are planning on rebuilding they are probably not the players we want to target. I think Weed has more upside than Schache though.

 

[Saints43]

I'll let Nick Riewoldt do my arguing for me.

Nick Riewoldt slams former club St Kilda for pulling out of Jack Bowes trade race: AFL trade news

“If you are a club that is desperate for picks ... why would you not entertain that?”

www.zerohanger.com

“Unbelievable”: Saints great fumes as club pulls out of key trade race

St Kilda great Nick Riewoldt has smashed his old club.

www.sen.com.au

Don't worry if he was in possession of the facts. He's a television actor now mate.