2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[Sarcoidevo]

I was told by a source that is friends with his mum that Hotton was told 6 weeks ago he was on the chopping block.

Unless he drastically turned his form around he was done. Don't think he has.

His parents where pretty annoyed at the club from what I could gather. Not fans of Ross either. They wouldn't be wrapped to see their next son drafted to the Saints.

Yes all RTBs fault .... Hotton would be a superstar if it wasn't for him .... just like his 78 game 2 Club father

 

[akaifu]

I never said he was an early option, and once again you are going off 1 highlight video rather than having watched his games. I love how your opinions are so definitive.

Anderson would be the worst pick in the draft, but yes there will be plenty of options.

Who said I haven't watched his games? I love how you think you're the only one that's researched the draft. No need to get so defensive over someone challenging your opinion

Also, I never said you said he was an early option, I was just sharing my thoughts on his draft range

My opinions are not definitive, that literally contradicts the definition of opinion. No one's opinions are definitive

How would Anderson be the worst pick in the draft?? He had a great start to the year before a LTI

 

[gringo2011]

My read so far would be the following:

Tier 1; O’Sullivan, Smith, Draper, Ashcroft

Tier 2; Langford, Lalor, Reid, Trainor, Smilie

Tier 3; Armstrong, Allen, Travalgia, Hotton, Kako, Lindsay, Berry, Hynes,

Tier 4; J. Whitlock, M. Whitlock, Moraes, Gross etc out to 30

You’ve said yourself you have doubts about even Lalor translating, Reid and Langford both pretty slow for the blue chip mid we’re after. Trainor not for us really, Smilie’s energy/competitiveness looks a little worrying.

Although I wouldn’t be upset with any of these guys (if they slip through), you have to say O’Sullivan looks the best of them with the most translatable traits, Smith’s game is proven at all levels/conditions, Draper the prototype mid we’re looking for with burst pace and link running.

Year on year proves there’s unexpected busts outside the top 5. You said it yourself.. IF we selected the right guys at 7,8. And you’ve expressed doubts about dalrymple’s first round drafting.

There’s a gap as there is every year and like every year, we should do what we can to get into the top 3.

I probably rate that first tier less than you do. FOS is probablty the best of his draft but injury prone and a disappointing champs. I really like Jagga but he's little and not an absolutely certainty in the AFL due to size and his disposal and hurt factor aren't elite. Draper, Trainor, Langford, Reid etc are all going to go to preference rather than having much separating them. The next tier you could even see a few going earlier than expected. It's so even this year. The absolute top end stand outs aren't obvious as most years but it runs super deep.

 

[saintbill]

Yes all RTBs fault .... Hotton would be a superstar if it wasn't for him .... just like his 78 game 2 Club father

It's always hard to hear you are on the chopping block. Not a surprising position for the family to be dirty.

Less than 2 years ago there son was a potential AFL star. Probably hard to stomach he could be off the list so quickly.

 

[gringo2011]

Perceptions differ every year but the stats really don’t.

I previously said what I would do, 7+8 for 2+22 ideally and would probably accept as a worst case 7+8 for 2+40.

Just don't think anyone has separated themselves from the pack enough to be worth moving up. If you move up and get Draper and he's another Paddy Dow?

 

[gringo2011]

Gimme Reid and Langford asap please.

Those guys are the first players I saw this year and thought wow. I'd be happy to go with those two. Bit of a big guy with a left peg and a bit of a slippery finesse touch type. Langford rises to every level he plays at. I rate consistency. It should translate to really low bust factor. Reid is more risky but his game is really pretty. He does those absurdly brilliant pieces of play that make him a joy to watch.

 

[HeavenlySources]

Just don't think anyone has separated themselves from the pack enough to be worth moving up. If you move up and get Draper and he's another Paddy Dow?

Or he could be the next Petracca?

I think if we can upgrade Pick 8 into the top 5 while holding onto 7 I'd be very optimistic about this draft, because could control our own destiny. Right now we will be hoping other clubs pick talls or make a mistake.

 

[gringo2011]

Think Reid is coming with a bullet and will be gone before our first.

1-tigers: O'Sullivan
2-north: trainor
3-wc: smith
4-crows: Draper
5-rich/gc: Reid/langford
6-Melb: Reid/langford

Leaves smilie and lalor left from the "top group"

They are the two I like least.

 

[gringo2011]

Or he could be the next Petracca?

I think if we can upgrade Pick 8 into the top 5 while holding onto 7 I'd be very optimistic about this draft, because could control our own destiny. Right now we will be hoping other clubs pick talls or make a mistake.

Nothing like Petracca in any way but sure.

 

[HeavenlySources]

Nothing like Petracca in any way but sure.

You've done well to take that to mean 'literally the next Petracca'. I'm talking about the concept that as much as Pick 2 could be Paddy Dow or Paddy Mccartin, just as well he could be Andrew Brayshaw or Christian Petracca. 7 and 8 are more likely to miss statistically than 2 is.

I wouldn't want to trade 7 and 8 for 2 personally, but that's because I think that's a bad deal in terms of trade value. If you could even it up a bit more, for example 7/8 and Future First for 2 then I'd be more than happy to trade out 2 first-rounders for 1 and back recruitment to get it done.

Otherwise we just sit back and hope that the right slider gets to us.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Who said I haven't watched his games? I love how you think you're the only one that's researched the draft. No need to get so defensive over someone challenging your opinion

Also, I never said you said he was an early option, I was just sharing my thoughts on his draft range

My opinions are not definitive, that literally contradicts the definition of opinion. No one's opinions are definitive

How would Anderson be the worst pick in the draft?? He had a great start to the year before a LTI

Its not that you disagree its how you go about it, you are arrogant and self entitled. People are bound to see different strengths in players, but you completely dismiss anyone elses thoughts.

We all want the best for the club so try being a little less black or white and we will all get along.

 

[gringo2011]

Someone mentioned that RTB is a fan but if we go Travaglia at 7 or 8 I will spew hard .... no more back flank general defenders that "potentially ... could ... maybe ..... in time ...." become a mid

It really depends on how they rate our current young midfielders. If Windhager is expected to step up and Phillipou is going to be a 10 year dominant mid and throw in Dow who looked alright towards the end of the season as depth and you are running out of spots for the kids with Steele already on ball. Lyon prefers guys who can run as well as win clearance so you need to find spots for them if you have heaps on the list. You prefer not to spend a top 10 pick on depth for Sandy.

 

[gringo2011]

not sure how I feel about langford's last few games, but jeeze his contest and follow up at 5:19 is exactly what you need when it comes to finals. Love his attack on the ball. Huge boot too

He just has what ever "it" is. He puts the ball out to where players should go.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

He just has what ever "it" is. He puts the ball out to where players should go.

I like Langford but a few of those turn and kick quickly/bomb forward without looking is a bit average

 

[ScrappyDo]

They are the two I like least.

Same. You and l tend to align at draft time but this year we're polarised on Reid.
There's a real chance we end up with those two remaining and l struggle to get enthused over it.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I like Langford but a few of those turn and kick quickly/bomb forward without looking is a bit average

Easy to coach out of him.

 

[gringo2011]

Its not that you disagree its how you go about it, you are arrogant and self entitled. People are bound to see different strengths in players, but you completely dismiss anyone elses thoughts.

We all want the best for the club so try being a little less black or white and we will all get along.

I rate his opinions mostly but he has quite an abrasive posting style, I don't think he means to come across as arrogant. Once you realise he's just abrupt he has mostly sensible points and reasonably easy to get along with.

 

[gringo2011]

I like Langford but a few of those turn and kick quickly/bomb forward without looking is a bit average

I think he plays better with better players around him. He looked neater in the champs. He follows up with second and third efforts, runs with the play to provide an option, seems to direct his kicks where players should be running etc. That clip was probably the worst I've seen his disposal. It's usually very neat. To me he looks like a really low bust factor mid who suits how Lyon likes them to play.

 

[akaifu]

Its not that you disagree its how you go about it, you are arrogant and self entitled. People are bound to see different strengths in players, but you completely dismiss anyone elses thoughts.

We all want the best for the club so try being a little less black or white and we will all get along.

I do not "dismiss" people's thoughts, I question them. I've never questioned someone without backing it up with an explanation that they can engage with, just like how I did with your previous message

The people who are of your description are the people that go around saying "Wrong." and "Incorrect.". That's arrogance

If you don't like the way I express myself then please feel free to mute me

 

[ScrappyDo]

Its not that you disagree its how you go about it, you are arrogant and self entitled. People are bound to see different strengths in players, but you completely dismiss anyone elses thoughts.

We all want the best for the club so try being a little less black or white and we will all get along.

I do not "dismiss" people's thoughts, I question them. I've never questioned someone without backing it up with an explanation that they can engage with, just like how I did with your previous message

The people who are of your description are the people that go around saying "Wrong." and "Incorrect.". That's arrogance

If you don't like the way I express myself then please feel free to mute me

You're both complete knobs. Get over it.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Same. You and l tend to align at draft time but this year we're polarised on Reid.
There's a real chance we end up with those two remaining and l struggle to get enthused over it.

They aren't without their positives

Both have shown they can impact on the ball and have power and burst from stoppage ... they can win inside ball and are solid decision makers

Both are good contested marks and can go forward and kick multiple goals

Gringo ... you don't rate Lalor's disposal but most pundits see no issues ... both are powerful kicks and have good technique

Big ??s are on consistency... Lalor has had to deal with some injury problems this year and Smillie has ?? on his work rate ... just looks to be cruising / doing just enough .... can they adapt to higher pressure and a faster game at senior level?

 

[ScrappyDo]

They aren't without their positives

Both have shown they can impact on the ball and have power and burst from stoppage ... they can win inside ball and are solid decision makers

Both are good contested marks and can go forward and kick multiple goals

Gringo ... you don't rate Lalor's disposal but most pundits see no issues ... both are powerful kicks and have good technique

Big ??s are on consistency... Lalor has had to deal with some injury problems this year and Smillie has ?? on his work rate ... just looks to be cruising / doing just enough .... can they adapt to higher pressure and a faster game at senior level

Yes both are quality but as you say it's consistency thats missing. Being hard to gauge is the issue.

 

[akaifu]

You're both complete knobs. Get over it.

Wrong.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Bit of Bont in Langford ... the way he moves onto his left foot

 

[stfan]

From the above posts it would seem that 7/8 will get us two decent players, but 5/6 would have generated players that we would be delighted with.

For 7/8 to delight the majority will require a fair bit of luck of a player or two sliding a little. If teams below us fancy a tall in Trainor that may assist us to get "The Chosen Ones".