2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[Saint believer]

Allan returned for WA's match against South Australia in a 67-point victory over the Croweaters, recording 19 disposals, six tackles and five clearances in a role through midfield.

He would hold his place in the centre for the rest of the carnival to average 20.0 disposals, 3.7 clearances, 6.3 score involvements and 6.0 tackles from his trio of appearances, proving to be a viable midfield option for scouts to consider.

Flexing his power, speed and defensive traits in the engine room, Allan would soon return to Peel Thunder's side in the club's journey to the WAFL premiership, with the teenager playing 11 games at the state league level to cap off a stellar year with a flag.


Rotating through the middle, defence and on the wing, Allan was able to prove himself against experienced opposition while bringing the traits of a leader that saw him earn the respect of his teammates.

Local clubs West Coast and Fremantle will both have their eyes on Allan with draft selections in the teens, while Richmond's array of selections and Port Adelaide's place in the queue at 13th overall could see Allan land at either club.


He earns comparisons to the likes of AFL stars Hayden Young, Elliot Yeo and Josh Weddle, giving his ability to be a midfield-backline dual threat, offering run, power and aerial prowess.

From my view I don’t like his decision making/execution with the ball in hand. Last thing modern footy needs is someone who wins the ball only to turn it over.



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[stavro#4]

Not splitting hairs when his kicking - one of the most important skills/attributes in the sport - is well below par of the other guys especially since its not something you can just fix over one pre-season

Meanwhile the likely pick 1 and 2 barely played all year and are still getting taken above the rest.

Smillie has fallen and could fall further and a bloke who was nearer pick 20 is touted as a pick 5 with 2-3 good games to his name.

And you hate the bloke averaging 26 touches who’s game has been as sound as anyone’s.

 

[akaifu]

I see Allan playing a defensive mid role, similar to Rowbottom for Sydney. Just get in and stop the opposition mids from having space allowing our other mids to be more attacking.

Why would you do that to him when he has the athletic attributes to be Patrick Dangerfield?

Rowbottom, Drew, Dunkley, Hewett etc are all guys that have good contest ability but extreme limitations in their athleticism. All taken later in the draft bc of it. You don't waste a top 10 pick on a kid that you project to play this role

Just because he plays half back, doesn't mean he should be a defensive mid. See Jack Sinclair/Hayden Young/Ed Richards

 

[John2010362340]

Doesn't matter since they target players not picks. They take the next player on their list or might chance trading down if they think they can still get him at a profit. Or, they think they can get two of the next best.

This logic backfires consistently. Top 10 picks usually locked in by most recruiters and phantom drafts, it's just the order that sometimes changes. The percentage play is to keep the 2 picks inside the 10 and unless something better is on the table i.e. top 3 pick for either 7 or 8 and a F1. Just take the 2 best midfielders that are left.

 

[WhiskySaint]

Why would you do that to him when he has the athletic attributes to be Patrick Dangerfield?

Rowbottom, Drew, Dunkley, Hewett etc are all guys that have good contest ability but extreme limitations in their athleticism. All taken later in the draft bc of it. You don't waste a top 10 pick on a kid that you project to play this role

Just because he plays half back, doesn't mean he should be a defensive mid. See Jack Sinclair/Hayden Young/Ed Richards

I just see a player in his highlights who shuts down opposing mids with ease, seems to close ground on them and is strong through the tackle. Think he’d excel at the role.

Why would I do it…. Because I know bugger all about footy maybe…?

 

[akaifu]

Meanwhile the likely pick 1 and 2 barely played all year and are still getting taken above the rest.

Smillie has fallen and could fall further and a bloke who was nearer pick 20 is touted as a pick 5 with 2-3 good games to his name.

And you hate the bloke averaging 26 touches who’s game has been as sound as anyone’s.

Pick 2 showed his quality in the VFL, pick 1 draws comparisons to arguably the greatest of all time. As if you are comparing them to a bloke who hasn't come close to top 6 considerations until literally today

Tauru's 2-3 good games is all you need when you have a bloke of his natural ability with limited major shortfalls to his game. Drafted on potential to be a genuine superstar

Don't pretend you didn't hate Reid as well before you started coping that he might be our only option

All about projecting into the future. Limited weighting to his 26 touches per game

 

[akaifu]

I just see a player in his highlights who shuts down opposing mids with ease, seems to close ground on them and is strong through the tackle. Think he’d excel at the role.

Why would I do it…. Because I know bugger all about footy maybe…?

He would excel in that role because he is excessively 'overqualified' for it. It'd be Richardson-like development to stick this guy with all this athleticism to be a bit-part role player

 

[stavro#4]

Pick 2 showed his quality in the VFL, pick 1 draws comparisons to arguably the greatest of all time. As if you are comparing them to a bloke who hasn't come close to top 6 considerations until literally today

Tauru's 2-3 good games is all you need when you have a bloke of his natural ability with limited major shortfalls to his game. Drafted on potential to be a genuine superstar

Don't pretend you didn't hate Reid as well before you started coping that he might be our only option

All about projecting into the future. Limited weighting to his 26 touches per game

My point was that this entire top end is flawed.

Don’t give me crap about comparisons. The Wa talent manager likened Allan to Bont and Chad Warner.

It’s all bullshit and they need to get on the park and deliver.

But if you can get excited over Taurus 14 disposals and some nice marking - whilst ignoring he doesn’t have a set position.

The fact Jagga can have the ball on a string and there is a small possibility he slides down to us at 7

Smillie could be Cripps or he could be RCD.

The list goes on. They are all flawed.

As you should know better than anyone else. There isn’t a Harley Reid a Naicos or a Sheezel in this class.

EVERYONE of these kids needs work. Lalor hasn’t don’t a full pre season ever and hasn’t even come close to delivering a strong consistent u17/18 season.

And you despise Murphy Reid for us. Bo Allan is everything he isn’t attribute wise.

None of these kids are sure fire stars.

 

[crawfords cat]

Allan's speed and strength exciting for sure but his skills and judgement seem way too raw to risk a top 10 pick?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I see Allan playing a defensive mid role, similar to Rowbottom for Sydney. Just get in and stop the opposition mids from having space allowing our other mids to be more attacking.

We’ll use that power and capability of using his pace out the front of clearance (if we take him and whether or not he gets to where we want). If not, he’s a tall Hugo

 

[SteeleSaints]

My point was that this entire top end is flawed.

Don’t give me crap about comparisons. The Wa talent manager likened Allan to Bont and Chad Warner.

It’s all bullshit and they need to get on the park and deliver.

But if you can get excited over Taurus 14 disposals and some nice marking - whilst ignoring he doesn’t have a set position.

The fact Jagga can have the ball on a string and there is a small possibility he slides down to us at 7

Smillie could be Cripps or he could be RCD.

The list goes on. They are all flawed.

As you should know better than anyone else. There isn’t a Harley Reid a Naicos or a Sheezel in this class.

EVERYONE of these kids needs work. Lalor hasn’t don’t a full pre season ever and hasn’t even come close to delivering a strong consistent u17/18 season.

And you despise Murphy Reid for us. Bo Allan is everything he isn’t attribute wise.

None of these kids are sure fire stars.

Exactly the only garuanteed star in this draft is Ashcroft and he isnt available. The players who will be available to us all have parts of their game they need to improve. They are however high level players who with the right development and environment will become very good AFL players, possibly stars.

I understand people see different strenghts and weaknesses in players, plus I can also understand peoples fears we are going to mess this up - we have too many times in the past. BUT our recruiting has improved considerably in recent years, so I think now we can safely have faith the club will get things right.

Im confident whoever we take they will be very good players, as we finally have the right people making the calls.

Go Sainters!

 

[Tommy Wigs]

What’s happened to the “we like Travaglia”? Might be time to discuss him for 10 pages. Then back to Lindsay. Tauru and Armstrong follow, then Reid and back to Big Bo and Allan.

 

[akaifu]

My point was that this entire top end is flawed.

Don’t give me crap about comparisons. The Wa talent manager likened Allan to Bont and Chad Warner.

It’s all bullshit and they need to get on the park and deliver.

But if you can get excited over Taurus 14 disposals and some nice marking - whilst ignoring he doesn’t have a set position.

The fact Jagga can have the ball on a string and there is a small possibility he slides down to us at 7

Smillie could be Cripps or he could be RCD.

The list goes on. They are all flawed.

As you should know better than anyone else. There isn’t a Harley Reid a Naicos or a Sheezel in this class.

EVERYONE of these kids needs work. Lalor hasn’t don’t a full pre season ever and hasn’t even come close to delivering a strong consistent u17/18 season.

And you despise Murphy Reid for us. Bo Allan is everything he isn’t attribute wise.

None of these kids are sure fire stars.

I never implied it wasn't flawed. All I said was that Allan, with his terrible kicking, does not have the same likelihood of reaching an elite ceiling as the others who have flaws that are more fixable at the elite level

Bo Allan is very different to Reid which is why I have said countless times I would be ok with Allan at 8, just not overly excited. More a 'best of the rest' pick feeling

Ofc the talent manager is going to talk Allan up. Hes the only one thats said any of that. Lalor being compared to Dusty is a common belief whether you agree or not

FOS' flaw is contact injuries. A joke if anyone thinks that carries into AFL level
Lalor's flaw is soft tissue. Sure, a worry. But the ceiling he has imo outweighs it especially for a club that has a stack of top-end picks. This one is completely subjective so I understand people's opinions on Lalor whichever way it is
Draper's flaw is also his kicking which is why I'm not very keen on him either
Langford's flaw is his athleticism but he knows how to play around these weaknesses already and showed glimpses at VFL level. His floor as a Mason Wood winger makes it justifiable for a team with 2 top 10 picks
Jagga's flaw is his size and hurt factor, but his IQ and lateral movement is beyond elite as demonstrated in VFL. For a team like us that lacks this type of player, he's a good fit. Other teams already have a version of him
Smillie is a question mark but I like him more just because I lean on the fact he was ill through champs and reminds me of Pou with how he presents himself. Also just solves our need for clearance winning instantly if he succeeds

As I have emphasised multiple times, no one cares about stats when you have a player that has all the attributes to succeed at AFL level. Tauru is a freak athlete and it shows on the field. Has proven he can play everywhere and has proven he can play in a set position in defence. Versatility is not a weakness if a club knows how to utilise it properly

 

[austinnn]

Another hypothetical- I feel like a few will like this one.

Retain 7

Trade 8+F1+32 for 15+16+21

Draft 1 of: Smillie Allan Tauru

Draft 3 of: Lindsay Trainor Reid Whitlock x 2 Shanahan Dodson Travaglia Faull Hannaford etc

I'll take Smilie Reid Lindsay and whichever Whitlock is the backman thanks

 

[maanco]

Would it be wrong to compare Bo Allan to a poor mans Blake Acres

13

Blake Acres

Age

29

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

.

 

[Mstr Strokesman]

We can go back and forward on flaws but the real flaw is the club itself .
Anyone in the top 7-30 are fine for any other club .
Our problem is we have an addded pressure that we desperately need A graders.
Not A minus, not B plus, genuine A graders, with potential for A plus.
We cannot afford another Coffield like pick where imbociles say he will transition to midfield.
The pressure is on 2 picks inside top 10 doesn’t come along often .
This is the time to deliver,and deliver big time to set us up ,not for a premiership( because we are a long way off that) but just to keep us competitive.
For the record,considering our picks, Smillie and Reid, but the closer we get the more looks like Reid and some one else.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Unless you are the Melbourne recruitment team it’s just an opinion. From my perspective, Melbourne don’t have a decent key forward prospect and this Armstrong kid appears to be elite.

I’d love him to slip to the Saints.

Armstrong is ridiculously overrated. He is pretty much a Sam Weideman clone from his junior days.

There are other forwards in the draft I'd much rather then Armatrong. Shanahan is the best tall forward in the draft for starters.

 

[bakes10]

We could do worse than getting X Lindsay with pick 7 or 8. Starred in the Champs GF. Put him under the wing of Macrae for the next 3 years. He’s a sure bet, you can’t go wrong with him.

But not sure what to do with our other pick. Probably just take whatever scraps are left from the supposed top mids.

 

[crawfords cat]

I didn’t want Nas because of his poor stats and inability to win much contested footy but RTB has used his attributes and strengths to suit his playing style resulting in improving our team.

I reckon Allan excels in the ‘splitter’ role. RTB wants speed on the ball.

What's a ‘splitter’ role?

 

[The Jack]

5&6 would be nice. We’d have 2 by now if we had them.

 

[ScrappyDo]

This logic backfires consistently. Top 10 picks usually locked in by most recruiters and phantom drafts, it's just the order that sometimes changes. The percentage play is to keep the 2 picks inside the 10 and unless something better is on the table i.e. top 3 pick for either 7 or 8 and a F1. Just take the 2 best midfielders that are left.

Both can work or fail. There are no rules.
FWIW in our case this year, l would probably agree with you.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Allan with just average skills is pick 1 in this draft. But his kicking is far worse than byrnes and jones per your example.
I'm also interested to understand how he'd go in the backline at afl level where it's pretty important to have great skills unless you are a lock down back. I assume a lot would be predicated on breaking lines and handing the ball off.
He's either a superstar or half this forum will absolutely despise Dalrymple. Btw, if anyone mentioned Allan at pick 7/8 a month ago, people would have lost their minds.

Probs have a look at a few vids of him playing in defence, his kicking there is just fine and l suspect its a composure thing of maybe coz hes so quick he can't hit targets at speed.
As another poster said, he's got a unicorn athletic profile so its a question of weather he can be developed.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Warming to Allen.

Kicking is a worry though hope he isn’t another Dunstan

If Dunstan was 191cm and could run like that then he wouldn't be Dunstan.

 

[ScrappyDo]

My point was that this entire top end is flawed.

Don’t give me crap about comparisons. The Wa talent manager likened Allan to Bont and Chad Warner.

It’s all bullshit and they need to get on the park and deliver.

But if you can get excited over Taurus 14 disposals and some nice marking - whilst ignoring he doesn’t have a set position.

The fact Jagga can have the ball on a string and there is a small possibility he slides down to us at 7

Smillie could be Cripps or he could be RCD.

The list goes on. They are all flawed.

As you should know better than anyone else. There isn’t a Harley Reid a Naicos or a Sheezel in this class.

EVERYONE of these kids needs work. Lalor hasn’t don’t a full pre season ever and hasn’t even come close to delivering a strong consistent u17/18 season.

And you despise Murphy Reid for us. Bo Allan is everything he isn’t attribute wise.

None of these kids are sure fire stars.

Sorry but this just isn’t right. I'm the one who despises Murphy Reid. akaifu is just an astute observer and I'll not have you usurping him into my role. Thank you.

 

[Browny2Carlisle]

I like the look of gerreyn and stumpf could be a good late pick.