2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[ScrappyDo]

Would you do this

Pick 7 for 11+20?

That deal would not be unappealing, though there would need to be an understanding about whose being selected. With that in place, any variation of 7/8 for 10/11 becomes tempting.

 

[BrutThough]

You will get the same player at Pick8 as you would for Pick 7.

Pick 7 goes to Nth for Tauru

It all hinges on whether you want more early picks in this draft

I do not know if we would offer 11+20 or GWS would offer 15+16

Interesting.

A deal where Richmond get pick 2 and keep 6 isnt in St Kilda's best interest so I dont know why you think we'd be desperate to help facilitate that for you.

 

[_Maximus_12]

If we are able to get Smilie, Jagger or Langford then I’m not opposed to risking 8 on Allan, however there is a real misconception amongst this board that teaching him midfield craft will be a simple as sitting him next to Lenny for a few years and he’ll be good as good.

Players who are athletes first and footballers second very rarely translate to gun mids. Why? Because many of these young mids have already had 6+ years of developing the fundamentals in that role that by the time they reach AFL level they only need to understand structure and stoppage craft. They’ve been accumulating, and learning the nuances of a mid for a long time already.

Bo Allan might make it as a mid, but it’ll be against the grain of similar types in the past and should we take him I’ll be expecting him to be a high end HBF more than a midfielder.

He screams Sam Gilbert

Sam Gilbert

Age

38

Ht

194cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.1

5star

MG

227.1

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

to me which is okay, provided we can build a top 4 midfield through other means.

 

[Joffaboy]

Straight off the top of my head Billings was taken with an eye to become a full time mid.

True.

As I said I really want two pure mids; or a slider from the top 6 and Tauru, at least we know where Tuaru plays.

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[Mangus]

Yes his attributes are fantastic.

But a great white midfield/star hope who lacks midfield craft as he is seen as a half back/third tall isn’t a great prospect to sell to a fanbase begging for a midfield star

I think who the fanbase want is irrelevant or at least I hope it is. Most supporters 90% have at most read the Herald Sun or Age write ups at most. Even on Bigfooty the draft is for a special few super nerds. We will all find reasons to love who ever it is we select like we did with NAS even though the post draft analysis on here was flat as a tack.

I think you have two types of mids to choose from those with the runs on the board Jagga Reid Langford Draper and to a lesser extent Smillie and lesser again Lindsay - Then those with the athletic profile that project to be mids Lalor FOS Allan Travaglia but no consistent runs on the board. Of those Allan probably has the best case averaged 20 possessions as a full time mid in the Champs for WA.

It is similar to the KPP prospects Tarau projects but he is hardly proven and he really has question marks on his disposal and decision making.

I prefer we pick the guy with the big upside like the Dogs did with Bont at 7&8 that is our best chance for finding a star. Smillie and Allan I think are big upside choices. Smillie because if he learns to impose himself physically he will be an unstoppable beast in contests and Allan because if he builds his midfield ball winning smarts will be a 190 cm explosive line breaking wrecking ball. One of those with Reid or Jagga would do me. Both would be really rolling the dice but a fun experiment with a midfield of giants Smillie Allan and Pou.

 

[stavro#4]

I think who the fanbase want is irrelevant or at least I hope it is. Most supporters 90% have at most read the Herald Sun or Age write ups at most. Even on Bigfooty the draft is for a special few super nerds. We will all find reasons to love who ever it is we select like we did with NAS even though the post draft analysis on here was flat as a tack.

I think you have two types of mids to choose from those with the runs on the board Jagga Reid Langford Draper and to a lesser extent Smillie and lesser again Lindsay - Then those with the athletic profile that project to be mids Lalor FOS Allan Travaglia but no consistent runs on the board. Of those Allan probably has the best case averaged 20 possessions as a full time mid in the Champs for WA.

It is similar to the KPP prospects Tarau projects but he is hardly proven and he really has question marks on his disposal and decision making.

I prefer we pick the guy with the big upside like the Dogs did with Bont at 7&8 that is our best chance for finding a star. Smillie and Allan I think are big upside choices. Smillie because if he learns to impose himself physically he will be an unstoppable beast in contests and Allan because if he builds his midfield ball winning smarts will be a 190 cm explosive line breaking wrecking ball. One of those with Reid or Jagga would do me. Both would be really rolling the dice but a fun experiment with a midfield of giants Smillie Allan and Pou.

No fan has a say over a selection.

But you only have to spend 15 minutes to find very good information about draftees these days and taking the big home run swing on the first ball of the first innings might not be the best choice.

Now if one of those midfield six gets through to 7 and we take Allan at 8 it’s an entirely different sell.

It affords Allan the time he needs at half back early doors whilst a genuine midfielder can hop in and work with Steele Macrae Pou Windy etc

 

[Tommy Wigs]

A deal where Richmond get pick 2 and keep 6 isnt in St Kilda's best interest so I dont know why you think we'd be desperate to help facilitate that for you.

Yep, that’s the worry. North trade back, but to 10 and after our picks. A pick 6 swap would be perfect or even the 50/50 that they take Tauru at 2.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I think who the fanbase want is irrelevant or at least I hope it is. Most supporters 90% have at most read the Herald Sun or Age write ups at most. Even on Bigfooty the draft is for a special few super nerds. We will all find reasons to love who ever it is we select like we did with NAS even though the post draft analysis on here was flat as a tack.

I think you have two types of mids to choose from those with the runs on the board Jagga Reid Langford Draper and to a lesser extent Smillie and lesser again Lindsay - Then those with the athletic profile that project to be mids Lalor FOS Allan Travaglia but no consistent runs on the board. Of those Allan probably has the best case averaged 20 possessions as a full time mid in the Champs for WA.

It is similar to the KPP prospects Tarau projects but he is hardly proven and he really has question marks on his disposal and decision making.

I prefer we pick the guy with the big upside like the Dogs did with Bont at 7&8 that is our best chance for finding a star. Smillie and Allan I think are big upside choices. Smillie because if he learns to impose himself physically he will be an unstoppable beast in contests and Allan because if he builds his midfield ball winning smarts will be a 190 cm explosive line breaking wrecking ball. One of those with Reid or Jagga would do me. Both would be really rolling the dice but a fun experiment with a midfield of giants Smillie Allan and Pou.

Froff

 

[ScrappyDo]

If we are able to get Smilie, Jagger or Langford then I’m not opposed to risking 8 on Allan, however there is a real misconception amongst this board that teaching him midfield craft will be a simple as sitting him next to Lenny for a few years and he’ll be good as good.

I feel like there's a rough consensus on this opinion, but what about not having access to Smillie, Jagga or Langford? Does that mean we then don't take Allan?
To me that's not logical, as it means we must already accept a tall, small forward or one of the lesser guaranteed mids anyway.
In that next group is:

Armstrong
Tauru,
Reid
Allan
Lindsay
Hotton
Berry
Travaglia

So why wouldn't we select Allan from this group if those were the options?

 

[stavro#4]

Yep, that’s the worry. North trade back, but to 10 and after our picks. A pick 6 swap would be perfect or even the 50/50 that they take Tauru at 2.

If north are that stupid then that’s on them.

You get quality at 2 you can’t get at 10 and you get the player you want at 6-7 that you don’t get at 10

 

[ScrappyDo]

I think who the fanbase want is irrelevant or at least I hope it is. Most supporters 90% have at most read the Herald Sun or Age write ups at most. Even on Bigfooty the draft is for a special few super nerds. We will all find reasons to love who ever it is we select like we did with NAS even though the post draft analysis on here was flat as a tack.

I think you have two types of mids to choose from those with the runs on the board Jagga Reid Langford Draper and to a lesser extent Smillie and lesser again Lindsay - Then those with the athletic profile that project to be mids Lalor FOS Allan Travaglia but no consistent runs on the board. Of those Allan probably has the best case averaged 20 possessions as a full time mid in the Champs for WA.

It is similar to the KPP prospects Tarau projects but he is hardly proven and he really has question marks on his disposal and decision making.

I prefer we pick the guy with the big upside like the Dogs did with Bont at 7&8 that is our best chance for finding a star. Smillie and Allan I think are big upside choices. Smillie because if he learns to impose himself physically he will be an unstoppable beast in contests and Allan because if he builds his midfield ball winning smarts will be a 190 cm explosive line breaking wrecking ball. One of those with Reid or Jagga would do me. Both would be really rolling the dice but a fun experiment with a midfield of giants Smillie Allan and Pou.

Great post. Probably the best one this thread is gonna have.

 

[_Maximus_12]

I feel like there's a rough consensus on this opinion, but what about not having access to Smillie, Jagga or Langford? Does that mean we then don't take Allan?
To me that's not logical, as it means we must already accept a tall, small forward or one of the lesser guaranteed mids anyway.
In that next group is:

Armstrong
Tauru,
Reid
Allan
Lindsay
Hotton
Berry
Travaglia

So why wouldn't we select Allan from this group if those were the options?

In the event they’re off the board I’d prefer to take Reid who I think is likely to be a better mid and Tauru who could be the best player of the draft class.

I don’t like the rationale for overlooking Reid.

 

[Joffaboy]

Would you do this

Pick 7 for 11+20?

We don't need to trade from a bad deal. Only North a bit stuck with 2 and 62.

Richmond in a good position, Saints in a good position. Can dictate terms. If nothing good comes up Saints take 7 & 8 to the draft.
7 for 11 and 20 is not dictating terms.

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[goodie23]

You will get the same player at Pick8 as you would for Pick 7.

Pick 7 goes to Nth for Tauru

It all hinges on whether you want more early picks in this draft

I do not know if we would offer 11+20 or GWS would offer 15+16

Interesting.

Then it'd be no problem to trade 8 instead of 7

 

[_Maximus_12]

I think for those who are concerned about Allan are so because he seems to one rated on what he could be, rather than what he is right now.

I don’t think he’s proven himself to be a top 15-20 footballer in this draft but i think if everything goes right he could end up a top 5 player.

 

[blaisee]

A deal where Richmond get pick 2 and keep 6 isnt in St Kilda's best interest so I dont know why you think we'd be desperate to help facilitate that for you.

I do not follow ?

Nth Picks Tauru at 7, there is no difference in the player available at Pick 8

 

[Darkhour]

What I find interesting is that the top 10 or so are generally set, but in what order to be drafted. Reid and Allan are anomolies though, as they are either in that pack or back in the next, depending on which power/phantom draft you look at.

I would think that Levi, FOS, Lalor, Jagga and Draper are the locks to be taken before our picks, which leaves us with Langford, Smillie, Reid and Allan as mids and Tauru and Armstrong as KPs. Not convinced on Allan at 8.

Personally, I think we try for the following order:

1. Langford and Smillie
If both are not available, then
2. Langford/Smillie and Tauru, if available.
If Tauru isnt available then
3. Langford/Smillie and Reid
If we cant take any of these combinations, I think we strongly think about trading 8 back down the draft.

 

[stavro#4]

I do not follow ?

Nth Picks Tauru at 7, there is no difference in the player available at Pick 8

Great so then 8 is perfectly acceptable

 

[Armoooo]

I do not follow ?

Nth Picks Tauru at 7, there is no difference in the player available at Pick 8

We are hoping to use pick 7 with Tauru off the board already. Meaning only 6 mids (including Ashcroft have been taken).

Any deal where we give up pick 7 for North to use on Tauru means that there will be 7 mids (including Ashcroft) off the board before we get our first pick.

 

[ScrappyDo]

In the event they’re off the board I’d prefer to take Reid who I think is likely to be a better mid and Tauru who could be the best player of the draft class.

I don’t like the rationale for overlooking Reid.

Ok l can understand that but personally I'd put those selections as maximising our risk.
Once the top 6 mids are off the board it starts to get messy as all those left have much bigger questions marks over them, and preferences become subjective to what each of us nuffies have gleaned from a few highlight videos.
I would probably want Allan and Lindsay by comparison, either because I'm more risk adverse or simply see different things in each player than you do.
There's a reasonable consensus that we all hope one of the top 6 slip through, and in that case taking a punt on Allan is much more palatable for all. In this case there's a solid chance it can happen and we should rejoice the common ground.

 

[gringo2011]

If we are able to get Smilie, Jagger or Langford then I’m not opposed to risking 8 on Allan, however there is a real misconception amongst this board that teaching him midfield craft will be a simple as sitting him next to Lenny for a few years and he’ll be good as good.

Players who are athletes first and footballers second very rarely translate to gun mids. Why? Because many of these young mids have already had 6+ years of developing the fundamentals in that role that by the time they reach AFL level they only need to understand structure and stoppage craft. They’ve been accumulating, and learning the nuances of a mid for a long time already.

Bo Allan might make it as a mid, but it’ll be against the grain of similar types in the past and should we take him I’ll be expecting him to be a high end HBF more than a midfielder.

He screams Sam Gilbert to me which is okay, provided we can build a top 4 midfield through other means.

A lot of people assume that Lyon wants inside accumulators. He's never been a coach that rates them as highly as others. He loves runners who play multiple roles or limited taggers who stifle ahead of them even.

If they rack up numbers but won't play defensive footy or move to provide options for others he doesn't want them. He does rate X factor game breakers though. If you narrow the lens to cover that I think you could knock out a few players we all like.

Allan looks pretty Ross Lyon to me. He moves well and is naturally defensive. I can see him as a Lyon favourite. I'm not overly attached to him but see his charm.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I think for those who are concerned about Allan are so because he seems to one rated on what he could be, rather than what he is right now.

I don’t think he’s proven himself to be a top 15-20 footballer in this draft but i think if everything goes right he could end up a top 5 player.

Probs a bit harsh. He's been consensus rated around 10 for a long time and has a WAFL premiership to his name already playing mid and HB and was state captain (IIRC). Thems pretty good accolades.

 

[gringo2011]

No fan has a say over a selection.

But you only have to spend 15 minutes to find very good information about draftees these days and taking the big home run swing on the first ball of the first innings might not be the best choice.

Now if one of those midfield six gets through to 7 and we take Allan at 8 it’s an entirely different sell.

It affords Allan the time he needs at half back early doors whilst a genuine midfielder can hop in and work with Steele Macrae Pou Windy etc

Access to the draftees is incredible now. 5 years ago it was mates filming champs or TAC games on their phone and seeing as much footage of old guys scratching their arses as you did of kids. Now you can access everything.

We still have zero control and still need to hope that we don't get the selections wrong though.

 

[Mr_R0b0t]

Would you do this

Pick 7 for 11+20?

The question would be, why would we want too

 

[Remboy]

It affords Allan the time he needs at half back early doors whilst a genuine midfielder can hop in and work with Steele Macrae Pou Windy etc

The other option would be to start Allen in a tagging role which would free up Windhager to be more attacking.