List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Philgood]

Hi all. I'm new to the forum but have been reading a fair few threads this off-season and thought I'd get involved. Just thought I would post this little piece of info I got this week. Was chatting to a member of the Crows coaching staff and they outlined that we went very hard at Tim English and we weren't too far off either but it came down to staying in Melbourne where he's comfortable or going home to WA. The club was very aggressive though and they certainly turned his head. The other thing I was told was that the club isn't overly keen on drafting a ruckman as they take too long to develop and it doesn't fit the club's timeline, so it sounds like there's not much chance of us drafting a ruckman this year. The club is more keen to bring in an established ruck when they can.

 

[Mutineer]

Hi all. I'm new to the forum but have been reading a fair few threads this off-season and thought I'd get involved. Just thought I would post this little piece of info I got this week. Was chatting to a member of the Crows coaching staff and they outlined that we went very hard at Tim English and we weren't too far off either but it came down to staying in Melbourne where he's comfortable or going home to WA. The club was very aggressive though and they certainly turned his head. The other thing I was told was that the club isn't overly keen on drafting a ruckman as they take too long to develop and it doesn't fit the club's timeline, so it sounds like there's not much chance of us drafting a ruckman this year. The club is more keen to bring in an established ruck when they can.

Thank god English wanted to stay in Melbourne then, gone from an AA ruck to not making the Dogs B&F top 10.

I just hope when we do bring in another ruck aggression at the contest is top of the requisites.

 

[Philgood]

Thank god English wanted to stay in Melbourne then, gone from an AA ruck to not making the Dogs B&F top 10.

I just hope when we do bring in another ruck aggression at the contest is top of the requisites.

Yeah he seemed pretty comfortable after getting the deal he wanted that's for sure. I am also not sure how much members of the coaching staff would know about specific list management strategies though so who knows if the information I got pans out the way he suggested. Might just have been his opinion and maybe Reid and Hamish will surprise us at the draft. Does seem that we want a ready made player to take over from ROB though. Seems to line-up with all the media noise around Draper also.

 

[George Kramer]

Thank god English wanted to stay in Melbourne then, gone from an AA ruck to not making the Dogs B&F top 10.

I just hope when we do bring in another ruck aggression at the contest is top of the requisites.

lol so not making the 10 top of a B&F is a measure of a ruck, meanwhile ROB hasn’t made it for 3 years, been dropped 2 years running and you defend him at any opportunity

 

[DJ75]

Hi all. I'm new to the forum but have been reading a fair few threads this off-season and thought I'd get involved. Just thought I would post this little piece of info I got this week. Was chatting to a member of the Crows coaching staff and they outlined that we went very hard at Tim English and we weren't too far off either but it came down to staying in Melbourne where he's comfortable or going home to WA. The club was very aggressive though and they certainly turned his head. The other thing I was told was that the club isn't overly keen on drafting a ruckman as they take too long to develop and it doesn't fit the club's timeline, so it sounds like there's not much chance of us drafting a ruckman this year. The club is more keen to bring in an established ruck when they can.

F@#$ me!
Doesn't fit the clubs timeline? Do they really think we are winning a flag in the next 3 years? How deluded are they?

 

[George Kramer]

Hi all. I'm new to the forum but have been reading a fair few threads this off-season and thought I'd get involved. Just thought I would post this little piece of info I got this week. Was chatting to a member of the Crows coaching staff and they outlined that we went very hard at Tim English and we weren't too far off either but it came down to staying in Melbourne where he's comfortable or going home to WA. The club was very aggressive though and they certainly turned his head. The other thing I was told was that the club isn't overly keen on drafting a ruckman as they take too long to develop and it doesn't fit the club's timeline, so it sounds like there's not much chance of us drafting a ruckman this year. The club is more keen to bring in an established ruck when they can.

Thanks for the info and I hope you told them their strategy is stupid. Had they drafted a ruck since ROB or Strachan, they would be ready now and trading in a ruck is easier than it sounds and that’s why we’re are stuck with a dud ruck combination that the coaches don’t rate.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

lol so not making the 10 top of a B&F is a measure of a ruck, meanwhile ROB hasn’t made it for 3 years, been dropped 2 years running and you defend him at any opportunity

ROB is really, really lucky we have not had a decent backup ruckman option as he has been allowed to cruise at times knowing he is unlikely to be dropped (for long).

Unbelievable he was in our top-4 paid players at the club when he re-signed.

 

[Philgood]

Thanks for the info and I hope you told them their strategy is stupid. Had they drafted a ruck since ROB or Strachan, they would be ready now and trading in a ruck is easier than it sounds and that’s why we’re are stuck with a dud ruck combination that the coaches don’t rate.

I don't think they are against drafting a ruckman I just gathered that the club's preference would be to bring someone in that isn't so raw. It seems to be their preference. I did ask what the plan was with ROB moving forward and he didn't give me anything haha.

 

[Philgood]

Thanks for the info and I hope you told them their strategy is stupid. Had they drafted a ruck since ROB or Strachan, they would be ready now and trading in a ruck is easier than it sounds and that’s why we’re are stuck with a dud ruck combination that the coaches don’t rate.

I don't think they are against drafting a ruckman I just gathered that the club's preference would be to bring someone in that isn't so raw. It seems to be their preference. I did ask what the plan was with ROB moving forward and he didn't give me anything haha.

 

[FR0GGY]

There’s zero issue developing a ruckman, it’s 1 spot on the list after all.
What you pay for one is the issue.

 

[George Kramer]

I don't think they are against drafting a ruckman I just gathered that the club's preference would be to bring someone in that isn't so raw. It seems to be their preference. I did ask what the plan was with ROB moving forward and he didn't give me anything haha.

They haven’t drafted a ruckman since ROB and Strachan and they were rookies. Jacobs before them was a trade. Yeah they’re against drafting a ruck

 

[Mutineer]

ROB is really, really lucky we have not had a decent backup ruckman option as he has been allowed to cruise at times knowing he is unlikely to be dropped (for long).

Unbelievable he was in our top-4 paid players at the club when he re-signed.

One things for sure English would be on a lot more coin than ROB is currently and the numbers re what he wanted both in terms of years and $$$$s wise to shift club's backs that up. He'd want to be exceptional around the ground because he's not a great tap ruck by any stretch.

 

[cmndstab]

No chance of that. I think he will retire.

Why would he retire? He's getting paid six figures a year to train and play football, and he will have just turned 30.

If we're silly enough to offer him another contract, he'll snap it up.

 

[conVINCEd]

I’m still filthy at overlooking Ned Moyle for Parnell.

Other clubs are raining with ruck options at different stages of development (Freo being exhibit A).

We’re really trying to outsmart the rest of the comp.

 

[32year crow]

Hi all. I'm new to the forum but have been reading a fair few threads this off-season and thought I'd get involved. Just thought I would post this little piece of info I got this week. Was chatting to a member of the Crows coaching staff and they outlined that we went very hard at Tim English and we weren't too far off either but it came down to staying in Melbourne where he's comfortable or going home to WA. The club was very aggressive though and they certainly turned his head. The other thing I was told was that the club isn't overly keen on drafting a ruckman as they take too long to develop and it doesn't fit the club's timeline, so it sounds like there's not much chance of us drafting a ruckman this year. The club is more keen to bring in an established ruck when they can.

Had a long message I was typing with this boards infatuation on Dodson and that it did not really fit tour time line. I compared him to last years darling of this forum Taylor Goad whom had a difficult first year in the VFL. Thanks for confirming.

 

[crow2crow]

I’m still filthy at overlooking Ned Moyle for Parnell.

Other clubs are raining with ruck options at different stages of development (Freo being exhibit A).

We’re really trying to outsmart the rest of the comp.

yet again too focussed on tassie

 

[hugecannon]

F@#$ me!
Doesn't fit the clubs timeline? Do they really think we are winning a flag in the next 3 years? How deluded are they?

Also you can have both, you can have a senior backup ruckman who’ll hopefully challenge the incumbent, while also having a young ruck to develop over 3-4 years.

 

[TBM]

Hi all. I'm new to the forum but have been reading a fair few threads this off-season and thought I'd get involved. Just thought I would post this little piece of info I got this week. Was chatting to a member of the Crows coaching staff and they outlined that we went very hard at Tim English and we weren't too far off either but it came down to staying in Melbourne where he's comfortable or going home to WA. The club was very aggressive though and they certainly turned his head. The other thing I was told was that the club isn't overly keen on drafting a ruckman as they take too long to develop and it doesn't fit the club's timeline, so it sounds like there's not much chance of us drafting a ruckman this year. The club is more keen to bring in an established ruck when they can.

Thanks for the info. Would also support the theory we're apparently big on Sam Draper.

I think what's abundantly clear is that the club have never bought-in to the method of drafting and developing rucks - opting to trade and draft mature-agers rather than 18 year-olds (Strachan, Hunter, Graham, Osborn, Lowden, Jacobs, etc). Ironically, the one ruck we've actually drafted as an 18yo in a blue moon was ROB, coming up 10 years ago.

It's also why we've got Sam Baulderstone as a part-time ruck development coach... bare-bones on Ruck coaching investment, instead of a full-timer or a ruck coach with any semblence of AFL experience.

Like others have said, a big injury to ROB could derail our season. It's poor list management to kick the can down the road with ROB/Strachan only. If we have a rookie list or SSP spot beyond Pick 4/Welsh, we should be taking another ruck.

 

[George Kramer]

Thanks for the info. Would also support the theory we're apparently big on Sam Draper.

I think what's abundantly clear is that the club have never bought-in to the method of drafting and developing rucks - opting to trade and draft mature-agers rather than 18 year-olds (Strachan, Hunter, Graham, Osborn, Lowden, Jacobs, etc). Ironically, the one ruck we've actually drafted as an 18yo in a blue moon was ROB, coming up 10 years ago.

It's also why we've got Sam Baulderstone as a part-time ruck development coach... bare-bones on Ruck coaching investment, instead of a full-timer or a ruck coach with any semblence of AFL experience.

Like others have said, a big injury to ROB could derail our season. It's poor list management to kick the can down the road with ROB/Strachan only. If we have a rookie list or SSP spot beyond Pick 4/Welsh, we should be taking another ruck.

Not wishing a serious injury on anyone, but if ROB did go down, the club will cop what it deserves. Any gains we’ve made will be wiped away if we don’t have a ruck at all and Strachan clearly isn’t an AFL ruck

 

[fuic08]

I’m still filthy at overlooking Ned Moyle for Parnell.

Other clubs are raining with ruck options at different stages of development (Freo being exhibit A).

We’re really trying to outsmart the rest of the comp.

I was stoked he fell to our pick, only for us to then **** it up.

 

[TBM]

Not wishing a serious injury on anyone, but if ROB did go down, the club will cop what it deserves. Any gains we’ve made will be wiped away if we don’t have a ruck at all and Strachan clearly isn’t an AFL ruck

Yep, we are playing with fire big time and have been for the best part of 5 years.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Thanks for the info. Would also support the theory we're apparently big on Sam Draper.

I think what's abundantly clear is that the club have never bought-in to the method of drafting and developing rucks - opting to trade and draft mature-agers rather than 18 year-olds (Strachan, Hunter, Graham, Osborn, Lowden, Jacobs, etc). Ironically, the one ruck we've actually drafted as an 18yo in a blue moon was ROB, coming up 10 years ago.

It's also why we've got Sam Baulderstone as a part-time ruck development coach... bare-bones on Ruck coaching investment, instead of a full-timer or a ruck coach with any semblence of AFL experience.

Like others have said, a big injury to ROB could derail our season. It's poor list management to kick the can down the road with ROB/Strachan only. If we have a rookie list or SSP spot beyond Pick 4/Welsh, we should be taking another ruck.

People say that every year about ROB, he barely ever gets injured. Strachan barely misses either. It appears the club would prefer to trade for an established ruck, which isn't that uncommon these days. I would have certainly preferred to upgrade Strachan well before now though, that's the main issue I have. Not a massive fan of Sam Draper, I hope the club is at least looking into Liam Reidy from Freo. Would be cheaper and has more upside imo.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Yep, we are playing with fire big time and have been for the best part of 5 years.

Most clubs do though. If Gawn goes down for Melbourne (he never does though), they are playing Tom Campbell. I think the biggest mistake has not been upgrading Strachan.

 

[Mostyn]

Yep, we are playing with fire big time and have been for the best part of 5 years.

If ROB goes down, he'll go on the LTI list and we'll grab someone in the midseason draft.

If it happens later in the list, we'd probably run with Toby Murray and Thilthorpe, and have a more mobile setup.

I find it hard to get stressed about rucks, considering how little influence they seem to have on whether your club is a success or not.

I would have rather we had someone maybe three or four years younger than Rob as his backup, but I'm not in love with drafting rucks. It takes six years til they start contributing, you might as well go buy one.

 

[George Kramer]

People say that every year about ROB, he barely ever gets injured. Strachan barely misses either. It appears the club would prefer to trade for an established ruck, which isn't that uncommon these days. I would have certainly preferred to upgrade Strachan well before now though, that's the main issue I have. Not a massive fan of Sam Draper, I hope the club is at least looking into Liam Reidy from Freo. Would be cheaper and has more upside imo.

Hmm we’ve dropped ROB 2 years running, forget about injuries.

And given he’s our main ruck, we carry him for games when in bad form, we aren’t just dropping him after 1-2 bad weeks. Don’t agree? He hasn’t made the top 10 of our B&F for 3 years and this year despite playing a majority of games.

How we’ve continued to accept having a poor ruck is insane given we’ve tried to improve all other areas of the list and club.