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Moyle looks the goods. Is he gettable? What would we need to offer Gold coast?
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Because we’ve recruited a gaping black hole in the midfield, are obsessed with playing young players out of position “to help them develop” (spoiler alert: it doesn’t help), and are an objectively shit football club?
Luke Pedlar is a top 12 pick who barely looks rookie list standard. He was drafted ahead of Max Holmes.
Chayce Jones is a top 10 pick who is one of the most boring players in the entire AFL, and doesn’t belong in our best 18. He was drafted ahead of Zak Butters.
Sam Berry was a top 30 pick who looked very promising in 2022 and looked like he may turn into a Jai Newcombe type quality mid. We’ve somehow turned him into a fat, useless mid who will probably never have another 20 possession AFL game in his life. He was drafted before a bid was placed on Errol Gulden.
Ned McHenry was a top 16 pick, drafted as a midfielder / forward hybrid. I could mount a very strong argument that he’s the worst player to ever play 70 AFL games for the club. He is terrible at literally everything. He was drafted ahead of Bobby Hill, James Rowbottom and Tom Sparrow.
Gallucci ahead of half an All-Australian team is another favourite of mine.
McAsey ahead of Serong, H Young, Day, Flanders and Pickett.
The club does not have a clue how to address midfield needs, and it’s been going on for over a decade.
Never fear though, we’re moving heaven and earth to acquire the likes of Ned Moyle, Jack Lukosius, Harrison Petty and Caleb Daniel - that’ll resolve the midfield mess.
One thing’s for sure, whoever Hamish drafts at pick 4-5 will be under the pump from day 1 to be the saviour.
I can’t quite work out what would he more stupid - leaving this pick in Hamish’s hands when he’s proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be incapable of drafting any decent midfielder in his life with a top 20 pick, OR trading the pick for a non-midfielder. It’s a close call.
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I get the chasing of moyle and would be happy to get him
The others though....why. it literally makes zero sense. They are all either cooked or not that great to begin with. And aren't even close to being our biggest needs. Need midfielders - more than one - and a rebounding half back
Moyle cumming draper welsh and another top 10 mid by trading our future first into this year would be an incredible off season. If we could get rid of the coach too we might even have some hope
Sadly it seems the idiots running the joint don't agree
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They think the midfield is set for 2-3 years.
You’ve got
Dawson Laird Crouch Soligo Rankine
Berry Pedlar Rachelle Harry
Dowling Taylor Edwards
Laird and Crouch will see out their contracts taking midfield spots. Even if a couple others are moved on, it’s too many players, too few spots - according to our selection philosophies.
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I don’t mind Moyle either, but realistically you chase a ruck when everything else is looking rosy. Apart from the odd Max Gawn game, how often do ruckmen actually influence the outcome?
When your starting midfield contains Rory Laird, and Sam Berry is also regularly attending centre bounces, AND you have fans wanting the likes of Luke Pedlar (a monumental bust who can’t even dominate SANFL footy) and Josh Rachele (a horrid clearance / contested player) to be thrown in there, your first 12 priorities at the trade table should all be midfielders. Maybe number 15 or so could be Moyle. Who knows, maybe there’s already 12-14 mids who have laughed in our face before electing not to come here. We know McCluggage and Gulden have. I would too if I was any good and had any interest in achieving team success.
I think people are getting carried away with Draper because he’s South Australian - it’s got a Brad Ebert feel to it. He doesn’t look like the TYPE of midfielder we need to me. At all. Does very little damage by foot and isn’t a goal kicker. Not saying he won’t be a good AFL player, but we need someone with a penetrating kick / goalkicking nous, or a huge body to compete with the likes of Cripps, Bont, Petracca, N Anderson, T Green, it’s pretty obvious.
Give me Jagga Smith (kicks goals), O’Sullivan (penetrating kick) or Smillie (beast in the Tom Green mould) any day. One of them should be there for us as long as a bottom 3 team takes a tall, which usually happens. Early days though, and maybe someone else comes into the mix as a top 4-5 midfielder in this draft.
The problems with trading a future pick into the top 10 this year are as follows:
1) Hamish would be picking the player
2) A team has to agree to the trade - what would really be in that for them when this year’s top 10 is considered very strong?
I’d say we are a far bigger chance of ending up with 0 top 10 picks than 2 of them, based on the noise coming out of the club. If we did somehow end up finishing 15th to get pick 4 AND trading our future 1st to get another pick around 9-10, it’s the second of those picks which I would use on Draper if he was there, not the first, unless he evolves his goalkicking and damaging play this year.
I have no clue why there hasn’t been any links between us and Isaac Cumming. Chayce Jones and Brodie Smith aren’t getting it done on any level, Milera’s career is on the brink, and the likes of Parnell, Hamill, Sholl and Schoenberg have somewhere between 0 and **** all upside as AFL players. A guy who can play on a back flank or a wing, and has one of the smoothest kicks in the league is exactly what we need. And he’s a free agent. Maybe we just haven’t heard about it yet because he’s been injured and out of sight / out of mind, but if he signs with some other club and dominates next year I’ll puke.
Ideal offseason for me:
Re-sign:
Cook (2-3 years)
Berry (1 year only, if he doesn’t sort his shit out, delisting at end of 2025 looks likely)
Walker (1 last year)
Delist:
Bond
Parnell
McHenry
Gollant
Borlase (then re-draft in rookie draft)
Hamill
(If Burgess isn’t contracted for 2025, I would absolutely delist him too)
Retire:
Smith (I can dream)
Depart as FA:
Himmelberg
Trade out:
Sholl (getting a pick 32-39 would be a win)
O’Brien (I just can’t watch him play anymore - would anyone give us pick 25-30?)
Acquire as FA:
I Cumming
Trade in:
AN ESTABLISHED, STAR MIDFIELDER (would trade 2025 1st, plus any draft capital acquired by trading out O’Brien and Sholl, plus throw in another 2024 pick) - If we can convince LDU to come here it’s gonna cost far more than that, but most other remaining targets should be attainable. Liam Baker would be near the top of the list. Zac Bailey. Clayton Oliver anyone - something tells me he’d get along well with Roo. Bailey Smith anyone? Pry someone out with money.
Moyle (NOT as a backup to knackers O’Brien, as a REPLACEMENT)
Draft:
1 of Smillie / O’Sullivan / J Smith (top 5)
Tyler Welsh (match a bid at around 15-25, with a bunch of trash)
Benny Barrett (with a pick 32-39, live trade if we need to - genuine pressure small forward who actually possesses football ability)
All pipe dream stuff. Caleb Daniel come on down. Can’t wait for his 12m kicks and complete inability to defend. What a coup.
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It’s less real mids than any other club in the entire league has.
Laird is a defender who we turned into a mid out of pure desperation due to the black hole recruited in there. He’s fantastic at getting pointless handballs that put others under pressure, and at routinely missing targets by foot with kicks that travel between 10 and 45m. He’s also treacle slow, and a head dropper.
Dawson is a defender / potential wingman who we turned into a stoppage mid out of pure desperation due to the black hole recruited.
Crouch was offered around for 10c on the dollar at the end of 2022 and no club in the league wanted a bar of him. It was delisted FA or nothing type stuff. The fact that he’s now a key part of our best 22 is sad beyond belief.
Rachele was never a midfielder as a junior, and doesn’t look like one now either. He’s currently a terrible stoppage player. I find it baffling when people try to argue otherwise. Long term maybe he could move to a wing or half back flank if you didn’t want to keep wasting him in the dead zone at half forward, but anyone who thinks he’s ever going to be a regular at centre bounces just doesn’t understand the level of intensity required to play that role.
Pedlar is blatantly a monumental bust as a top dozen pick. I’d bet on him never reaching 100 AFL games. Another, like Laird, whose kicking accuracy is barely under 14s standard.
Berry ALSO has 0 kicking ability and is flat out even reaching 20 possessions as a full time mid. Will never be best 22 at any club.
Dowling, Taylor and Edwards have 1 career game between them. Who knows what the hell we have there. The fact that we continue to select some of the trash listed above instead of them is either damning for them, or for the selection panel. We’ll know who within 12-24 months.
If you offered up Schoenberg for trade right now, I’d say the best offer received would be something around pick 40-45. He’s not a long term answer for any AFL club, in any position.
Rankine has played maybe 20 quarters as a midfielder in his entire AFL career. Again, out of desperation we’ve chucked someone else that Hamish didn’t draft in there and he’s actually good. Only problem is that removing him from the forward line means more game time up there for Lachie Murphy, Ned McHenry and whatever other junk we can scrape up.
This club has absolutely no concept of what a quality midfield even means. While it’s kinda fun that we offered Gulden a 10 year deal, let it sink in that we drafted Sam Berry a handful of picks before Errol Gulden (academy) was bid on. Yes that’s right, the genius of Hamish thought Sam Berry was a better midfield prospect than Errol Gulden in 2020 (there was no reason in this draft for us to be doing Sydney any handshake favours and not bidding), and roughly 3.5 years after that selection, our list manager is offering Gulden a 10 year deal (which surely would’ve been at least 1.3 million per season) while simultaneously weighing up whether to delist Berry or sign him as depth for 1 more year.
I realise that development is a factor too, but there’s no amount of development that accounts for disparities like this, and it’s just relentless with our midfield drafting.
Soligo is currently the one exception to the rule of Hamish being incompetent at drafting mids.
Let’s hope that one or more of Taylor, Edwards or Dowling can join him.
Let’s also hope that money talks for some established mids to come and play here, because they certainly won’t be coming with any justifiable confidence of achieving team success.
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AFL midfield is stacked
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In isolation, the misses we had in terms of midfielders in the mcasey draft look awful. Serong, Flanders or Day would add so much to our side right now and for whatever reason Pedlar who by now should be burning it up in the midfield in our AFL side is struggling to get 10 touches at SANFL level.
New people doing the picking at draft time are starting to look mandatory for us now
And Tex.
Throwing a first rounder for Luko is exactly what this stupid club would do instead of accepting we still need to draft young, elite midfield talent.
We’ve put a big offer in front of Luko if the whispers are anything to go by. I’ve also heard we are into Josh Battle and Leek Alir. And petty, of course.
In other words, the club is throwing darts until one sticks and says to itself “we’ll deal with what it costs later”.
There’s no strategy. Good clubs look at our midfield and think, you either go and get a star mid or you use our first pick on an elite mid. we are devaluing our first pick by throwing it around for whoever we can get.
We’ve put a big offer in front of Luko if the whispers are anything to go by. I’ve also heard we are into Josh Battle and Leek Alir. And petty, of course.
In other words, the club is throwing darts until one sticks and says to itself “we’ll deal with what it costs later”.
There’s no strategy. Good clubs look at our midfield and think, you either go and get a star mid or you use our first pick on an elite mid. we are devaluing our first pick by throwing it around for whoever we can get.
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I feel like even if we drafted Jesus H Christ as a midfielder, our development is so sh*t it would'nt even matter.
It's really concerning letting Hamish go to another draft with a top 4 pick so he can select some left field Randy McRandom player who most other teams didn't have in their top 30 because he has good values and comes from a good family.
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If we end up with a top 5 pick in a midfield heavy draft where there really are promising mids at the top end and we have traded that pick on a utility....i am done
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Godden would soon stop his lairising put him on a back flank and only let him turn the water into powerade
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If we are throwing big coin around, how about Sydneys head of recruitment. Make him an offer he can' t refuse
And I’ll join you. I will not bother renewing my membership.
Shouldn't be, our long termers should have all been heavily front loaded. That said, 95% is the floor, so max to play with is only 10%, so about $1.5m of wriggle room. Definitely enough to eff Smith off if the trigger story is true. Not sure we'd need to pay anyone else out though. The contracted players (ROB, Keays Laird and Crouch) we should send packing would find homes if we paid therir contracts. I'd delist and pay out Murphy as well, doubtful another club would bother with him.
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Yeah, of course they are.
Players make decisions for lifestyle - they want to go to strong clubs, but they don't act like fans who follow the game emotionally.
They'd look to the Crows and see a lower midtable team that's been rebuilding; had a bit of a step back this year but has some good talent. Mist players would think they'd improve us, and we'd be around the mark with a few additions and changes.
Players have been going to Carlton and Essendon and others for years - they look beyond last week's win/loss record.
I actually think Tex is the least selfish of them all and he's not in the leadership group, I don't think.
You can actually see him direct and guide the group on ground.
The amount of times I've lost 1st goal kicker on bet365 because he's handballed to someone in the square.
He's the least of our problems imo.
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Is that why we've supposedly made approaches to every available mid in the league?
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What on Hamish's first round picks were unexpected?
He picked players around where they were projected to go.
His unexpected players have been the good ones.
Hi directs so the ball is funnelled to him near 50% of the time. He is selfless with ball in hand though, no doubt about that. But he is also part of the entitled senior cohort, so he needs to go.
Hes not part of the future so we might as we'll plan without him I guess.
Which is what makes me think that our problems are 90% development, rather than talent identification.
Godden's ability to turn U18 guns into AFL nugs is unsurpassed.
Having said that, the balance of our drafting - with a notable failure to select any gun midfielders (other than Soligo) for over a decade - is a massive problem. However, that's not a problem with talent identification, it's a problem with list management making bad decisions about our list/drafting needs.
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