Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 2

[Scorpus]

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Rumors from September 30

• FiveAA claims we are after Scott Borlace, current Head of Development at Brisbane (link)
• Claims of Rory Sloane
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  heading to Melbourne Demons as a development coach, but maybe not before asking for a job at the Crows first?
• Inside Trading suggests we are interested in Gold Coast's pick 12 (link)
• Inside Trading also suggests Clayton Oliver
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  is possibly back on the trade table, but doesn't link him to any specific clubs

Rumors from October 1

• We have offered Darcy Fogarty
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  a five year contract extension early ahead of free agency (link)
• We are attempting to lure Graham Wright to our football department (link)

Rumors from October 2-3

• Graham Wright, who we are chasing as a head of football, is also being chased by Carlton for a CEO position (link)

Rumors from October 4-5

• Gettable claiming pick 25 for Neal-Bullen and a future 2nd for Peatling (link)

Rumors from October 6

• Tom Morris claims we are open to splitting pick 4 (link)

Rumor summary October 8

• Jon Ralph claims we are not prepared to use a future 2nd on Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 9

• Graham Wright will not join Adelaide, instead taking up the Carlton CEO role (link)
• Tom Morris claims the Peatling trade will involve future 2nd and 3rd round picks, and we have offered him a four year deal at about $600k per season (link)
• Riley Beveridge claims we asked GWS if they were interested in one of our players in the Peatling trade (link)

Rumor summary October 10

• Collingwood are interested in Justin Reid as their new head of football (link)
• GWS want our future 2nd and pick 46 for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 11

• Poster claims we are attempting to lure Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, maybe in 2025 (link)
• Tom Morris claims we will do the Peatling deal for pick 46 and a future 2nd provided there are other late pick swaps (link)

Rumor summary October 13

• Tom Morris suggests we have offered a trade involving a swap of future 2nds for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 15

• After West Coast got absolutely rogered, Cal Twomey claims we have offered either two future 3rds for Peatling, or a swap of 2nds and a future 3rd (link)
• We have interest in Sam Davidson from Richmond VFL (link)
• Mitch Cleary claims some GWS players are facing suspensions from the AFL due to behaviour at an end of season event (link)
• Brett Montgomery is staying at GWS, meaning we were unsuccessful at luring him (link)

Rumor summary October 16

• Stalemate on the Peatling trade as of 4pm, with us threatening to send him to the PSD (link)

 

[Mostyn]

I think people blame shit game plans on players.

“We’d win a flag with this genius game plan, we just dont have the players.”

I think people overrate the impact of coaches, and underestimate how much success is the quality of the playing list.

 

[George Kramer]

I think people overrate the impact of coaches, and underestimate how much success is the quality of the playing list.

I think clappers try to defend the coach because the club employed him and ignore the obvious.

 

[Samcro24]

I think people overrate the impact of coaches, and underestimate how much success is the quality of the playing list.

Neil Craig had a handful of our all time greats and couldn’t convert a flag.

 

[relapse]

Yeah - spot on! What can anyone know about coaches like Leppa, Buckley and Rutten?

Tell me again how you know so much about Mathew Nicks as a brilliant coach and master tactician.

The crazy thing is that he calls Buckley boring and one dimensional, yet thinks Nicks who coaches a poor man's mid 2000s Sydney style of game is a great coach.

 

[AFC979810]

Suggesting we didnt change our gameplan at the beginning of the season is pure madness.

There were multi reports all preseason about how we were looking to go more defensive and then boom we go from being the highest scoring team in the AFL to averaging 55 points a game in the first four rounds. We then let the shackles off and averaged 88 points per game for the next 19 games.

Would love to hear the personal changes that were responsible for this sudden shift?!!? I mean was it as simple as dropping Parnell and Chris Burgess

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for Will Hamill

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and Lachlan Gollant in RD 5 that changed our gameplan so much?!?!?!

To me what was most frustrating is that Nicks had actually tried this stupidity before with equally disastrous results.

He tried it in 2022. After we couldn't stop Fremantle from getting on two big runs in round 1 - we went to a really defensive chipping gameplan against Collingwood in round 2 and got absolutely slaughtered.

 

[glengowan]

Number 1 is a strong leadership group of players. They drive the standards and are the difference between winning and losing on game day.

Number 2 is the connection the coaches have with the players and the ability to empower the playing group, give them confidence and motivate. The buck stops with the head coach.

Number 3 is luck/management with injuries.

Fitness, skill, game plan and list management are all part of it of course, but you shouldn't be able to get too far behind or ahead in these areas. Every club has time and IQ to manage these areas.

 

[relapse]

I think people overrate the impact of coaches, and underestimate how much success is the quality of the playing list.

Surely you don't think that if we didn't sack Robert Shaw at the end 1996 that we would have still won back to back flags in 97 and 98.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Was an arseh*le at Brisbane because at the time the club was a basket case and full of losers. Since he left they’ve had a full clean out and look at them now.

Maybe Leppitsch was right?

Wouldn’t that suggest Leppitsch was also part a culture problem ?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I’d have Buckley in a heart beat. You can hear in his analysis on commentary, he’s learned a lot since his coaching days. Leppitsch is an a’hole and I wouldn’t want him within 50 feet of our club.

It’s always been, if you want a coaching job, get into the media & raise your profile

Buckley has always talked a good game

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But from all reports he has a damn good footy brain.

After getting sacked by Brisbane - went to Richmond as an assistant and was a part of their 3 flags in 4 years. Then he joined Collingwood at the end of 2021 and won a flag with them in 2023.

Bulldogs tried to poach him at the end of 2023 as well.

Obviously very well thought of in footy circles.

You can have a good football brain, and still be a poor man manager & decision maker

 

[AFC979810]

You can have a good football brain, and still be a poor man manager & decision maker

Now put that into reverse and you have our coach!

 

[George Kramer]

Suggesting we didnt change our gameplan at the beginning of the season is pure madness.

There were multi reports all preseason about how we were looking to go more defensive and then boom we go from being the highest scoring team in the AFL to averaging 55 points a game in the first four rounds. We then let the shackles off and averaged 88 points per game for the next 19 games.

Would love to hear the personal changes that were responsible for this sudden shift?!!? I mean was it as simple as dropping Parnell and Chris Burgess for Will Hamill and Lachlan Gollant in RD 5 that changed our gameplan so much?!?!?!

To me what was most frustrating is that Nicks had actually tried this stupidity before with equally disastrous results.

He tried it in 2022. After we couldn't stop Fremantle from getting on two big runs in round 1 - we went to a really defensive chipping gameplan against Collingwood in round 2 and got absolutely slaughtered.

And after big losses to GWS and Carlton in 2022. 2023 he goes more attacking and we end up with the best attack and 9th best defence. Then he implements it again and bang we go to the worst attack and as you say, he finally changes it and we score again, magic!!

Still remember Milera round 1 continually stopping and going back behind the mark, slowing the play. 2023 he took the game on, that’s his natural game. Max was also doing it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think people blame shit game plans on players.

“We’d win a flag with this genius game plan, we just dont have the players.”

So was SYD’s downfall on SAT due to the players unaccountability … or Longmire

Players make coaches, it’s always been the way

 

[119others]

I love this preschool level analysis. Clay Sampson 24 games over 2 years and moved on. Chad Rintoul 23 games over 2 years and moved on. Thiessen, 44 games over 3 years and moved on. The point isn’t that barely fringe level players don’t appear in flag sides it’s that flag clubs don’t molly coddle these types to 150 games for no other reason than hoping experience and continuity eventually pay off. These players happen to find themselves on the edge of the a GF 22 whilst being churned through the system.

Erm, Jennys question regarding our 2 GF sides was “Spot the Murphy“ so that IS the point. It’s your clear misunderstanding that’s broadened the context.

FYI, I don’t disagree with your subsequent assertions but they are totally irrelevant to the question Jenny posed and my answer. It’s not that hard surely.

 

[Shifty Crow]

GWS Kevin Sheedy Medal tonight - could the non-decision by Peatling at the point be a sign that he will likely announce a change of clubs in the coming days?


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[spenze]

So if we are blaming the players did Reid and Hamish get it wrong?

 

[George Kramer]

So was SYD’s downfall on SAT due to the players unaccountability … or Longmire

Players make coaches, it’s always been the way

Just a fluke Longmire has got his side into 4 grand finals, his players let him down on the day but if Longmire had gone rogue bonkers during the year they wouldn’t make it.

 

[Samcro24]

So was SYD’s downfall on SAT due to the players unaccountability … or Longmire

Players make coaches, it’s always been the way

You need both. Obviously

 

[George Kramer]

So we’ve never seen a new coach come in, replace a shit coach or a coach who has been there too long and get different results with largely the same team?

Reckon we’ve got a recent example with Collingwood.

 

[AFC979810]

So we’ve never seen a new coach come in, replace a shit coach or a coach who has been there too long and get different results with largely the same team?

Reckon we’ve got a recent example with Collingwood.

Never happened at our club.

Apart from with Blight and Craig and Sanderson of course.

 

[dogs105]

Yup. Got a very good source/connection at the club.

Is it Bevoman ?

 

[Mostyn]

Neil Craig had a handful of our all time greats and couldn’t convert a flag.

Any all-time forwards in that group?

Craig had an imbalanced list. At the time, some of his game plan strategies were genuinely innovative. I think he failed the Hinkley test - you still need the head coach to be someone you like and want to listen to. He can't be a robot.

 

[dogs105]

Why do people bring up names as future coaches, they have zero knowledge about ......Leppa is simplay a name people recall, they forget him being an abject failure as a Coach

They bring up Rutten ....boy, the stories I could tell you on that one

Buckley, the most boring single-minded Coach since Neil Craig

Please tell us some Rutten stories

 

[Mostyn]

Surely you don't think that if we didn't sack Robert Shaw at the end 1996 that we would have still won back to back flags in 97 and 98.

That's fair enough.

Overrated shouldn't mean not important at all - there's still a big difference between good and terrible.

 

[arrowman]

I agree, but it's more the fact we bothered to give him a new deal in the first place

Well yes, but it is what it is, and at least it's an exit strategy rather than doubling down.

- of course, they could also be thinking that a senior assistant and/or Director of Coaching is what is needed to make Nicks successful...