List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[gringo2011]

Higgins is a leading small forward
Butler is a pressure forward
Stengele is more of a crumbing forward

He would be excellent if his head was in the right place, but not at Josh Battle money IMO

We'd love a Stephen Milne again and I think he is a bit of that. We have to pay it to someone. He's a premiership small forward and looks like what we need. I'd pay him $800k.

 

[Joffaboy]

If (and I hope they aren't even thinking about it) the club thinks chasing Stengle and giving him $800,000 per year, I will eat a bucket of sand. This is even without considering the dilution of compensation if Battle leaves.

800k is the new 650k. Also what is the point of having millions in the cap and it can't be spent.
If we signed Battle and got Stengle, I would be happy.
If we then targetted say Parker to help Wilson, Pou, Windy, Hotton etc plus a top 10 mid, I would be very pleased.

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[botts]

Could the Brad hill factor be at play here

 

[Joffaboy]

Could the Brad hill factor be at play here

Plus the other 5 indigenous players plus Auntie Katrina.
Seems the club has a great system in place for the welfare of our first nations players.
All seem happy on face value.

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[The Punter]

Also, as I said earlier when this was brought up, I'd be dirty if I was Geelong and Stengele left.

gringo2011 - he was better than the two players at both of these things, but I think Milne started out a crumber and finished as more of a leading forward (although he essentially played Full-Forward in 2002). Hard to find both in one player, but I think Butler, Higgins and Stengele could all play essentially in the same team and compliment each other.

From what I have read that others have seen, Collard could be pressure/crumbing in one package, but from what I've seen so far he looks about as far from AFL level competitiveness as I've ever seen in a first year player given an opportunity at the level.

 

[Sainter1873]

Not sure why people would baulk at Stengle. He’s class, only 25 and gives us goals, something we desperately need.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

800k is the new 650k. Also what is the point of having millions in the cap and it can't be spent.
If we signed Battle and got Stengle, I would be happy.
If we then targetted say Parker to help Wilson, Pou, Windy, Hotton etc plus a top 10 mid, I would be very pleased.

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Its not that it can't be spent. Most of it HAS to be spent under the rules.
So if we don't have some donkey on big money we need to pay it to Crouch or Wood or someone, just to tick the minimum spend box.

 

[stavro#4]

Not sure why people would baulk at Stengle. He’s class, only 25 and gives us goals, something we desperately need.

Id say in almost all scenarios he would be a good get.

In the event Battle leaves … and Triggers Band 1. You need to walk away from FA dealings this off season.

 

[hayes]

Higgins is a leading small forward
Butler is a pressure forward
Stengele is more of a crumbing forward

He would be excellent if his head was in the right place, but not at Josh Battle

26

Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

money IMO

And above everything else…..he’s an All Australian small forward. Can’t see him leaving but he’s everything we need as a small forward.

 

[RWB4life]

Id say in almost all scenarios he would be a good get.

In the event Battle leaves … and Triggers Band 1. You need to walk away from FA dealings this off season.

Even trade for Stengle if battle goes. If we're offering less for stengle than band 1 could offer picks equivalent of a late first for him.

 

[Sainter1873]

Id say in almost all scenarios he would be a good get.

In the event Battle leaves … and Triggers Band 1. You need to walk away from FA dealings this off season.

Fair enough. I think Battle stays (no inside knowledge) but him leaving is really the only reason we shouldn’t go after Stengle. I also can’t see him coming to us anyway, but worth a crack.

 

[stavro#4]

Even trade for Stengle if battle goes. If we're offering less for stengle than band 1 could offer picks equivalent of a late first for him.

You can’t.

He is an unrestricted free agent. There is no ability to match and force a trade.

Unless there is a loophole here.

 

[Sainter1873]

You can’t.

He is an unrestricted free agent. There is no ability to match and force a trade.

Unless there is a loophole here.

Clubs can trade a free agent instead of using the free agent mechanism, in order to not dilute compensation. It happened a few years ago. I want to say Richmond were involved but I just can’t remember the player.

 

[stavro#4]

Clubs can trade a free agent instead of using the free agent mechanism, in order to not dilute compensation. It happened a few years ago. I want to say Richmond were involved but I just can’t remember the player.

I can recall Danger forcing the cats to trade as it would improve the return for Adelaide. But I’m pretty sure he was a restricted free agent.

I can’t recall the example you are thinking of.

 

[Sainter1873]

I can recall Danger forcing the cats to trade as it would improve the return for Adelaide. But I’m pretty sure he was a restricted free agent.

I can’t recall the example you are thinking of.

There’s another example of it (can’t for the life of me remember) but I just found that Bigoa Nyuon was traded as a free agent last year (we delisted him so he was a UFA), but North didn’t want to dilute the McKay compensation so traded for him.

 

[RWB4life]

There’s another example of it (can’t for the life of me remember) but I just found that Bigoa Nyuon was traded as a free agent last year (we delisted him so he was a UFA), but North didn’t want to dilute the McKay compensation so traded for him.

If that's the case ship battle off and use seconds and cash to get a late first for stengle

 

[DougalHoward]

Stengel is a no brainer if he wants to come

 

[Sainter1873]

I can recall Danger forcing the cats to trade as it would improve the return for Adelaide. But I’m pretty sure he was a restricted free agent.

I can’t recall the example you are thinking of.

Robbie Tarrant.

Coleman-Jones, Tarrant swap clubs after Roos, Tigers strike deal

North Melbourne and Richmond have sealed a trade for CCJ and Tarrant

www.afl.com.au

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

There’s another example of it (can’t for the life of me remember) but I just found that Bigoa Nyuon was traded as a free agent last year (we delisted him so he was a UFA), but North didn’t want to dilute the McKay compensation so traded for him.

I think Gunston to Bris was a late pick trade rather than UFA signing so Bris wouldn't lose compo for someone

 

[Username Unknown]

I think you’ve got this all wrong gringo. What exactly did you think Lyon was brought in to do ?.

My understanding is that he was brought in to not only coach the side but also for an honest assessment of the list. That’s been done the next step was to start cutting the deadwood and build a list and coaching team that could actually contend for a flag not just make up the numbers. We need to have a list that is capable of making the 8 and going on from there when Tassie comes in. Yet you want him gone after two and a half years if we’re not playing finals?.

I wasn’t a Lyon fan when he was appointed the first time I liked Thomas and thought he got the rough end of the pineapple. A friend of mine who played with Lyon and works in the industry told me just watch you’ll change your tune when you see what the saints can do with a top coach. He was right Lyon is the real deal and took us as close as you can get bar a little luck to winning a flag. I don’t buy the criticism one bit, we’ve turned over players, made the finals and been competitive in just about every game he’s coached. So one or two don’t like the new regime well that’s normal and they can fall into line or move on.

Lyon will get his 4 years probably more and if things proceed as planned we’ll actually have a side that can contend for a decade. If not well there are no guarantees but at least we’ll have fallen trying to do the right things, this is as far from a pelchen monorail scam as you can get.

I agree. IMO Lyon is setting the club up to be sustainable. Enright is being mentored to be the next coach.

I feel for people like you Gringo. Last time I was on here you had just started to have hope and optimism.

Hope every one has been well!

 

[stavro#4]

There’s another example of it (can’t for the life of me remember) but I just found that Bigoa Nyuon was traded as a free agent last year (we delisted him so he was a UFA), but North didn’t want to dilute the McKay compensation so traded for him.

Robbie Tarrant.

Coleman-Jones, Tarrant swap clubs after Roos, Tigers strike deal

North Melbourne and Richmond have sealed a trade for CCJ and Tarrant

www.afl.com.au

So it seems doable.

But the examples are of delisted kids or veteran players.

None are in their prime.

So we would effectively still need to trade a first round for Stengle

 

[RWB4life]

So it seems doable.

But the examples are of delisted kids or veteran players.

None are in their prime.

So we would effectively still need to trade a first round for Stengle

No doubt it's a first rounder but 2 top 6 picks and an AA small forward is a great offseason

 

[Broski]

When it comes to the Stengle rumours, I can understand that the club would want to have fingers in multiple pies, because they won't know what Battle wants to do. If Battle leaves, we hopefully get maximum compensation and forget about Stengle.

If Battle re-signs, the club can try and add another goal-kicking option to the list (which could result in someone like an Owens, Wilson, Henry etc playing more midfield time next year). I am only guessing, but I am sure Ross knows that some of the blokes playing in our forward-line aren't long-term forwards, but play there to keep us competitive. I hope a better forward line would see Owens etc play more midfield.

 

[stavro#4]

No doubt it's a first rounder but 2 top 6 picks and an AA small forward is a great offseason

We would have to find a third first rounder. That’s going to be tough

 

[akaifu]

No doubt it's a first rounder but 2 top 6 picks and an AA small forward is a great offseason

Absolutely no chance