List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[gringo2011]

Yeah but we have the Brad hill factor. I honestly reckon that will be massive in this.

More likely too want to hang out with Brad Crouch IMO. If he's lonely an old mate might help as a lure.

 

[stavro#4]

You have to take FAs while they are there. To me our small forward stocks are the most critical shortage. Our midfield is bad but more through lack of absolute premium quality rather than pure numbers.

To me we'd be best to draft a young mid and try to lure a player like Jack Macrae or Luke Parker for the bridging period. Otherwise chase some existing young mids like Ward or Hobbs and perhaps even Will Brodie or Hately.

If we keep Battle and Land Stengle - But finish 10th next year, would you be happy we landed the free agent still?

Not a shot. I’m curious.

I think he makes us better. I don’t think he guarantees September. I still think we are in trouble without some serious work in that midfield.

 

[joydivision22]

Possible outcomes relating to rumour file in order of my preference:

1. Retain Battle, recruit Stengle and just use of natural 1st to take the best mid available.

2. Lose Battle, gain band 1 pick, Don’t recruit Stengle.

3. Retain Battle, miss on Stengle.

4. Lose Battle, gain Stengle and cancel out of compo.

5. Lose Battle, miss on Stengle, gain less than band 1.

I’m all scenarios we have options to find another pick by moving future picks.

Definitely prefer Battle long term over Stengle pound for pound.

Obviously I hope that 1 is the most likely scenario but who fookin knows. Feel as though we get stung with no 5 as per

 

[pluggeranddoc]

As long as $800K is the new $600K, I’m in.

800k monopoly money or is it based on Hannebery deal?
How many small forwards do we need?
Is he really that much better than Gresham?

 

[Saintos The ITK]

He lives with Eddie Betts I believe, whose wife is his new agent.

Get him outta there.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

Get me outta here.

 

[stavro#4]

800k monopoly money or is it based on Hannebery deal?
How many small forwards do we need?
Is he really that much better than Gresham?

Substantially better then Gresham.

Stengle left. Gresham right.

 

[Joffaboy]

We did. He chose to stay.

Many on here bagged sos for that move too.

Irrespective. An extra 100k probably isn’t landing him

Maybe, who knows, 800 x 6 or 850 x 5 may though, more security and more money.

 

[gringo2011]

If we keep Battle and Land Stengle - But finish 10th next year, would you be happy we landed the free agent still?

Not a shot. I’m curious.

I think he makes us better. I don’t think he guarantees September. I still think we are in trouble without some serious work in that midfield.

I think you get talent when you can. It makes more sense than losing Battle and hoping to get a draft pick in who probably takes 4 years to develop. No guarantees in life but you'd rather go in to next year with a competitive list that stay bottom 4.

 

[stavro#4]

I think you get talent when you can. It makes more sense than losing Battle and hoping to get a draft pick in who probably takes 4 years to develop. No guarantees in life but you'd rather go in to next year with a competitive list that stay bottom 4.

Yeah fair.

I’m all in if they sign Battle.

 

[stavro#4]

**** it.

Make sure Battle signs.

Land Stengle.

Go sign Sniffy (Bailey) Smith as a free agent too.

Draft at pick 4 or 5.

 

[Joffaboy]

Surely we need elite midfielders or significant key position players rather than a small forward. We should have thrown those dollars at De Koning last year rather than a small forward. Dont get me wrong Stengle is a quality player but we need to ensure our midfield and spine are solid before topping up on players like Stengle. Free agents are a free hit I know, but we also need to balance our TPP with respect to what we are paying our own players.

How is it topping up? A FA that is a quality player, that might (not many do) want to come to the Saints.
I agree we need to look at mids, but what quality mid is a free agent? Cripps? Bont? Reid, Butters? Not one of them so if they wanted to come to the Saints (history shows that quality doesn't) it would cost us any drafting dps that could land us a quality kid.

So what do we do? We apparently have a war chest. We have the possibility to land Stengle, we need to do it, and we need to resign Josh Battle. If we do that, a very good spine player retained, a very good small forward recruited and if we have a top 5 pick the best mid available.

This only happens though if Battle is resigned. It would be the ultimate in foolishness if Battle goes and we pick up Stengle, unless of course we trade a future first for Stengle and lose Battle so we get a band 1.

 

[Joffaboy]

Possible outcomes relating to rumour file in order of my preference:

1. Retain Battle, recruit Stengle and just use of natural 1st to take the best mid available.

2. Lose Battle, gain band 1 pick, Don’t recruit Stengle.

3. Retain Battle, miss on Stengle.

4. Lose Battle, gain Stengle and cancel out of compo.

5. Lose Battle, miss on Stengle, gain less than band 1.

I’m all scenarios we have options to find another pick by moving future picks.

Definitely prefer Battle long term over Stengle pound for pound.

Obviously I hope that 1 is the most likely scenario but who fookin knows. Feel as though we get stung with no 5 as per

6. trade for Stengle, lose Battle and get band1

 

[Jade Buddha]

I think you need to evaluate the list over the year not in a sample size that includes form slump injuries etc. it’s never as good or as bad to quote the old cliche.
It makes sense to not lose quality too whilst attempting to get picks so the Battle scenario is a keep if you can.
We have now a considerable amount of youth already on the list so we need to keep the development going.
Stengle is fine if it works for us and we dont over pay.

 

[stavro#4]

How is it topping up? A FA that is a quality player, that might (not many do) want to come to the Saints.
I agree we need to look at mids, but what quality mid is a free agent? Cripps? Bont? Reid, Butters? Not one of them so if they wanted to come to the Saints (history shows that quality doesn't) it would cost us any drafting dps that could land us a quality kid.

So what do we do? We apparently have a war chest. We have the possibility to land Stengle, we need to do it, and we need to resign Josh Battle. If we do that, a very good spine player retained, a very good small forward recruited and if we have a top 5 pick the best mid available.

This only happens though if Battle is resigned. It would be the ultimate in foolishness if Battle goes and we pick up Stengle, unless of course we trade a future first for Stengle and lose Battle so we get a band 1.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Raises a number of questions for me and that includes how much we should be paying Battle.

And don’t we need to see what Battle decides first?
Don’t want to lose our compo on Stengel.
How long do you think he expects us to wait?

Having said that, sign him (please) and then go after Stengel.

 

[Holy Hunter Clark]

Is there a chance we are chasing Stengle because Collard has indicated he wants to go home?

Would be shattered if Collard wants to leave us.

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[stfan]

Is there a chance we are chasing Stengle because Collard has indicated he wants to go home?

Would be shattered if Collard wants to leave us.

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It would be because Stengel is now potentially available....


.....and not at all about Collard.

 

[Saints4ever]

Small forward pockets are the cream not the cake.
Could we please bake the cake first.
We don’t need Stengle

 

[beside the seaside]

Small forward pockets are the cream not the cake.
Could we please bake the cake first.
We don’t need Stengle

You can't have enough good players in any area of the ground.

 

[akaifu]

If Stengle really is just gonna go for the highest bidder, i don't want him especially since Butler and Higgins are still firing with Collard and Henry ready to take over long-term and we'll probably recruit another small in the near future

Smells so much like one of those where he crosses over for big money then flops because hes secured the bag and theres no incentive for him to work hard anymore. We can't afford to be paying a bloke 800k only for him to not repay the investment

 

[Saints4ever]

If we’re going to over pay I only want to over pay for midfielders otherwise we could shoot ourselves in the future bidding on midfielders and not have the cap space needed.

 

[stavro#4]

If Stengle really is just gonna go for the highest bidder, i don't want him especially since Butler and Higgins are still firing with Collard and Henry ready to take over long-term and we'll probably recruit another small in the near future

Smells so much like one of those where he crosses over for big money then flops because hes secured the bag and theres no incentive for him to work hard anymore. We can't afford to be paying a bloke 800k only for him to not repay the investment

Butler is 29 next season.

Collard will be 20.

Henry isn’t a small forward like the above. He is a wing half forward.

Higgins 26 Stengle 27 next year would be in their primes.

Stengle also brings some cleanliness creativity and a bigger goal threat then both Higgins and Butler.

 

[Joffaboy]

If we’re going to over pay I only want to over pay for midfielders otherwise we could shoot ourselves in the future bidding on midfielders and not have the cap space needed.

Which midfielders are available as a FA this year?
Which have indicated they will leave their club?
When has a quality mid has ever indicated they want to come to St.Kilda.
How do we get this mid without trading for him?
Trade for Stengle, get band1 for Battle get 2 top 5 picks get two of the best mids.

Only way we get mids this year.

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[stavro#4]

Which midfielders are available as a FA this year?
Which have indicated they will leave their club?
When has a quality mid has ever indicated they want to come to St.Kilda.
How do we get this mid without trading for him?
Trade for Stengle, get band1 for Battle get 2 top 5 picks get two of the best mids.

Only way we get mids this year.

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I truly do not mind the above idea.