List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.3

[saint66au]

It's a shambles, if a player from Sandy was dominating or deserved a spot on a list, they'd be picked up in the mid season, national or rookie draft early on before they even got to our guaranteed rookie pick.

So we have committed to a Sandy player not good enough for any other list spot at any other club. It'll never work other than giving up a token (precious) list spot to try to strengthen Sandy.

What makes it worse, is we delist guys and cant rerookie them, maybe even Hotton, who'd be twice the player of any Sandy player eligible this year.

Exactly. The only way it would work is if a Sandy player exploded AFTER the mid-season draft. Its a charity list spot that we cant afford to give up to a bloke that couldnt even get a vote in a VFL BnF

 

[Grav]

Just read above off field issues - enough said

Wonder if his off field issues are because he knows his brother?

Brother of AFL player facing lifetime ban for wild act

The man was later seen celebrating with Collingwood’s milestone man Brayden Maynard.

7news.com.au

 

[stfan]

Exactly. The only way it would work is if a Sandy player exploded AFTER the mid-season draft. Its a charity list spot that we cant afford to give up to a bloke that couldnt even get a vote in a VFL BnF

We would still not have any preferential rights in any draft. So any club with a pick in front ours has earlier access.

 

[Sainter88]

"Traded at the end of the 2002 season to St Kilda in exchange for picks 6 (Steven Salopek) and 31"

I still live in hope Salopek will walk through that door with his childhood St Kilda guernsey

 

[Saints43]

Collard is a flight risk regardless of contract as we have seen this year.

What have we seen?

 

[Saints43]

It's a shambles, if a player from Sandy was dominating or deserved a spot on a list, they'd be picked up in the mid season, national or rookie draft early on before they even got to our guaranteed rookie pick.

So we have committed to a Sandy player not good enough for any other list spot at any other club. It'll never work other than giving up a token (precious) list spot to try to strengthen Sandy.

What makes it worse, is we delist guys and cant rerookie them, maybe even Hotton, who'd be twice the player of any Sandy player eligible this year.

It's a medium-long term strategy.

 

[saint66au]

It's a medium-long term strategy.

How does it work medium/long term unless we get some sort of priority on them?

 

[Armoooo]

How does it work medium/long term unless we get some sort of priority on them?

He didn't say it was a good strategy.

Sounds like it will just be a shambles for mid-long term.

 

[Bill Crouse]

What have we seen?

Houston? I guess. Let's hope when Collard is a 2x All Australian with 3 years left on a contract and wants to go home, we don't roll over like Port did.

 

[Armoooo]

I know we're OK for tall forwards, but might be worth throwing a lifeline to DGB, according to Wikipedia he averages a touch over 70 goals a game.

Could be a good second fiddle to Kingy

 

[Bill Crouse]

How does it work medium/long term unless we get some sort of priority on them?

It isn't about improving our AFL list, it is to improve Sandringham's list.

 

[Saints43]

How does it work medium/long term unless we get some sort of priority on them?

The idea is that is will attract a number of players to the Sandy list each season to compete for a spot on an AFL list. It's the best shop window in the country for an unlisted player.
It's primarily to raise the standard of the whole affiliate environment.
The priority would be the assumed goodwill of them joining the club for the opportunity.

 

[sammm]

Rejected us for Essendon last time.
Hard pass.

In the end, we again got saved from ourselves.

 

[Armoooo]

It isn't about improving our AFL list, it is to improve Sandringham's list.

Would rather we focus our improving our own list rather than a VFL clubs.

 

[akaifu]

Would rather we focus our improving our own list rather than a VFL clubs.

I guess its up to weighing up how impactful a successful reserves team is to creating a positive culture throughout the squad and how much it can help the AFL team on-field

If we can get finals experience into our VFL guys and young kids, it could be that extra fraction of advantage that comes up clutch in moments throughout the AFL season when the kids eventually graduate to the AFL side and bring that experience with them

 

[Richter]

St Kilda meet with ex-Hawthorn defender, linked with ruckman | Sporting News Australia

St Kilda have met with recently delisted Hawthorn defender Ethan Phillips in an ironic attempt to replace Hawks free agent signing Josh Battle.

www.sportingnews.com

Mature-age Sharks ruck firms as shock draft bolter

East Fremantle ruckman Lachlan Blakiston is closing in on incredible rise to an AFL list, with serious interest from Geelong and St Kilda.

thewest.com.au

We're taking a look at Ethan Phillips, also Lachlan Blakiston (26yo ruckman who plays for East Fremantle) as per these reports.

 

[Yawkey way]

Apparently has some off field issues.

Yeah I’d heard that but I also heard the same sorts of things about caddy. The clubs will be all over it no doubt.

 

[saint66au]

St Kilda meet with ex-Hawthorn defender, linked with ruckman | Sporting News Australia

St Kilda have met with recently delisted Hawthorn defender Ethan Phillips in an ironic attempt to replace Hawks free agent signing Josh Battle.

www.sportingnews.com

Mature-age Sharks ruck firms as shock draft bolter

East Fremantle ruckman Lachlan Blakiston is closing in on incredible rise to an AFL list, with serious interest from Geelong and St Kilda.

thewest.com.au

We're taking a look at Ethan Phillips, also Lachlan Blakiston (26yo ruckman who plays for East Fremantle) as per these reports.

Blakiston is exactly the sort of player Geelong grabs..and turns into Max Gawn v2.0

 

[Michael Goodinski]

Where do our reserves play if we end the alignment with Sandy?

As St.Kilda reserves out of RSEA Park, of course! It should've been done years ago.

A club united at its home venue in Moorabbin, not on the windswept, postage stamp sized TBBO. Sandringham can please itself.

I used to love following the zebs, but they're unwatchable now and the alliance has harmed, rather than helped player development.

 

[beside the seaside]

As St.Kilda reserves out of RSEA Park, of course! It should've been done years ago.

A club united at its home venue in Moorabbin, not on the windswept, postage stamp sized TBBO. Sandringham can please itself.

I used to love following the zebs, but they're unwatchable now and the alliance has harmed, rather than helped player development.

We wanted to do that but decided it cost too much.

 

[saint66au]

We wanted to do that but decided it cost too much.

Plus the VFL have to make a license available

 

[Tommy Wigs]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.afl.com.au/news/1246033/western-bulldogs-delist-one-game-small-forward-charlie-clarke&ved=2ahUKEwiIkuLXzJmJAxUkr1YBHWRLMQsQFnoECFIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tQkMVoWhX1tx9L7sNezOR

This kid was all the rage a couple of years ago. I wonder what went on at the Dogs injury or application?

Just had a look at his VFL stats averaged 12.4 and 1 goal per game. Has played 37 games in 2 years so it wasnt injury, the Dogs obviously werent happy with him. Just read above off field issues - enough said.

Yep, he was the Second Coming when he was drafted. Half a game.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

As St.Kilda reserves out of RSEA Park, of course! It should've been done years ago.

A club united at its home venue in Moorabbin, not on the windswept, postage stamp sized TBBO. Sandringham can please itself.

I used to love following the zebs, but they're unwatchable now and the alliance has harmed, rather than helped player development.

Why?
Our players.
Our coach.

Why will we have better non-listed players and be "more watchable" as a stand alone team?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Yep. Didnt get a vote in the Sandy BnF. tell me that deserves a spot on an AFL list.

Mind you with that criteria We can only select Hipwell.

No way?!! Surely Zebs don’t have a recruiter. They can’t. No one could be that bad at their job.

For 15 years.

 

[BrutThough]

What makes it worse, is we delist guys and cant rerookie them, maybe even Hotton, who'd be twice the player of any Sandy player eligible this year.

Hotton was no better this season than any of the Sandy players we will be considering. If you are willing to give him a list spot moving forward than you should have no issue with Hipwell, Watson or Lowe being on the list.